Pretty sure Pokerstars temp banned players who did a sitting out protest well before Amaya, and it was said on these forums that doing that will likely result in a temp ban at best, so not really sure what needs to be updated in that regard as there was no surprise what would happen to people who actually disrupted the games by perma sitting out.

They certainly did not ban people who chose not to play that day.

If Stars started taking bankrolls for trivial reasons that would be posted quickly and that would be a genuine issue that would likely have a massive amount of genuine reaction. I just do not see that happening, and the pitchfork and torches style reaction of the current situation mainly from people like you who's niche game was impacted is not in the same league.

If you put an e-wallet in the same currency you are withdrawing and depositing then you will not have any exchange fees. Seems that many still do not understand how that works despite many efforts to explain it.

Yea they have reduced table limits to 1 for some duration in the past.
They're obviously right to do so as sabotaging games is pretty dumb & childish.

almost a month after meeting... yet.... still no TR.... these meetings are such a joke!

Same here.

I understand I am a small cog but I was very much in favour of the meetings but recent events have shone a different light on things and continually taking so long to give reps the go ahead to post is either incompetent or just an insult. I'm not sure if one is better than the other. Not sure if it is Steve that actually reviews it or he has to wait for the legal department to ok it before passing that on. So I'm not targeting him there.

I agree with whoever it was that said that it will ultimately be a snapshot of what was the playing field before the changes.

EPT live starts in the not too distant future. That will be an opportune time to start tweeting some of these issues with that hashtag. Regs and recs alike watch the stream and follow Twitter too.

Incompetent you may cancel ........that what stays describes it best!

Tbh I actually prefer this way...

Much better to have no TR than another TR with "oh we didn't do anything about the stuff that matters"

It seems odd to me that the NDA must be so incomprehensible to those that have to sign it that they don't know what they are allowed to report back to us about the meetings they have attended on our behalf.

I would read it thoroughly, give my report accordingly, and argue later, in court if necessary, that I did not break any laws intentionally, as far as any reasonable man would agree to my interpretation of the NDA.

There's nothing particularly incomprehensible in the NDA itself, but it's not always so easy to tell what exactly constitutes a violation.

My first draft seemed harmless enough to me, perhaps a bit more detailed than last time. The May trip report, for example, was okayed as such with no demands for editing. I still haven't heard back from Steve so trying to guess what went wrong this time is pure speculation.

If you're suggesting I use my own judgement with what is okay and what is not and just post whatever I deem appropriate, that's certainly a risk I'm not willing to take.

In my humble opinion, this situation, and just the increasingly absurd lack of transparency is why so much venom is being directed toward pokerstars. The people defending stars are absolutely correct, they can do whatever they want with rake, deposit fees, but it so sad to see the only site that resonated integrity, regress to the standards of all the others.

Perhaps "incomprehensible" is too strong a word?

If it's not clear to someone who has signed an NDA what they can or cannot say, and they have to rely on further advice after the fact - doesn't that mean the NDA was not clear enough, by definition? And if the content wasn't clear to a reasonable man, it probably wouldn't hold up too well in court, if it came to that?

I'm not suggesting you put yourself at risk if you're genuinely uncomfortable with posting some facts and figures which you now suspect might come under the terms of the NDA but that you included in your draft trip report because you didn't at the time of writing, but surely it must be obvious that, say, 95% of your report is fine to release without the need of further advice? Unless the NDA includes a clause that all future comment about the meetings has to be reviewed prior to its publication?

This is what truly baffles me. Things like how much revenue Amaya needs to earn is out of the reps hands as this requirement is imposed by the CEO/Shareholders. What reps do have a great deal of control over is the communication. Obviously PSSteve knows he's pissing off people by not handling a self imposed responsibility... so why is he doing it? I can't see any gain from his perspective or Amayas.

The only shining light of late seems to be PSChris, who's making a concerted effort in the Seating Script thread. By memory this is the first thread, in forever, that a Stars rep started and is actively participating in. No one is personally attacking him despite this issue being on the burners for years. People seem to genuinely want to help Pstars find a fix to this issue.

I think he would be nuts to publish his report, as all it is is a fairly massive anti-freeroll for him. Odds are nothing would happen, but what benefit is it for him as well, especially with the bulk of the issues people want to know about not being in it.

As to the people trying to tie this into a bigger, darker overall belief structure - usually situations like this are much simpler than that. Odds are that Pokerstars Steve is no longer with the company, or has been ill, or something along those lines and nobody took over this bit of virtual paperwork from his desk. That happens in large companies all the time, and I doubt the contents of this report are anything that is being intentionally squashed.

Will be interesting to see the reaction (and how 2+2 handles the situation) if these types of meetings get proposed again in the future.

I suspect that Stars just went from a relatively pleasant environment to a paranoid, somewhat dysfunctional environment.

It may be that no one wants to stick their neck out to release even a slightly unflattering trip report. They would have a lot to lose and nothing to gain.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aT7TxMaZ4eM

posting "facts and figures" previously unknown to the public at large would without question constitute a violation if I had no approval for it. I also know that I can't share Stars' position on issues unless they okay it.

I wrote about stuff like Stars/Amaya relationship, new software features in development we brainstormed on, and opinions by individual employees that differ from official company policy that were brought up in conversations (anonymously obv). That's prob the controversial stuff, might be something about the rake discussions as well.

I think it's smart to at least ask if I can share some of this stuff rather than just relate my own general impressions on the discussions. Even if all of the above needs to be cut I'm still happy I tried to give as intimate an account as possible.

Be that as it may, having to wait for two weeks for the edited portions to be listed is beginning to feel insulting.

The bolded are all viable options. I'll send a new email tomorrow, and not just to Steve this time.

Meh, I very much doubt they're worried about their perception being damaged by the report. And me posting my personal opinions on the company without divulging anything confidential has nothing to with the NDA, lol.

There is a massive financial interest from Stars' side to solve this problem asap. That's the only reason why they want to take immediate action.

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I think that all the pokerstars threads on 2+2 should be locked until the rep gets confirmation what he can post.

While locking all PS's thread may look childish, I think this is a good idea.
PS is using 2p2 for its own advantage and doesn't care much about users, as you can see from other threads, other reps are pretty active 'cause them are seeking advices and in that case 2p2 is valuable.
When PS has questions we are going to answer, when 2p2 need answers PS doesn't listen.
Maybe 2p2 should make it clear that forums are 2way information exchange...

Aight, I got an update on Steve finally, from another employee who's also having a hard time getting a hold of him, lol

Apparently he was travelling on the week before and extremely busy this week given it's "hectic" at the office. I'm yet to hear any updates from him personally, so have no idea on when he'll be able to finish reviewing the report.

This is not how PR is handled, there's no excuse for his non-answer.
He could be the most busy guy in the world, but typing a few characters on the keyboard for a quick reply is a really quick task, maybe 30 seconds or less

+1

Something like:

Dear GoGetaRealJob,
Your trip report is important to us. I apologize for the delay, but I want to give it the attention it deserves.