I am happy to post that the concerns I had about Poker Mania Room have been resolved. Since I play several tables at a time, and therefore do not chat much at the table, PMR incorrectly suspected that I was a bot. Whereas I am happy to see clubs looking out for improper behavior at the tables, I was not happy with the fact that I was having my funds confiscated for no legitimate reason.

To their credit, after I posted about my negative experience, PMR were willing to listen, and they now recognize that they made a mistake, and that I am not in fact a bot! They have apologized and we discussed how their process of keeping their games clean could perhaps be refined. PMR have assured me that their only wish is to ensure that their games are clean and honest, and that they are striving to maintain a safe environment for their players. I no longer have a reason to doubt their integrity and, as of this time, I believe them to be a safe and reliable club to play at.

This isn't exactly ground breaking news. Anyone playing on any of the apps could quite easily sit themselves in multiple seats at the same table.

At the end of the day, it's just one more thing to factor in as to whether the apps are +EV or not. Negative aspects exist in many forms- high rake, clubs that disappear, agents who disappear, collusion, RTA, bots, etc. etc. Just perform your own due diligence and figure out which of these clubs/apps give you a better return than playing on more traditional sites.

I was in 5 or 6 sizeable clubs and had some suspicions but no hard evidence. As soon as a HUD was built for it, I started to datamine the games. What I discovered was that all of the clubs had tables with one person clearly playing multiple accounts on the same table. And no, it wasn't a bunch of grinders with reggish stats. It was 2-3 guys all playing stupid fishy stats like 60 VPIP/30 PFR/ 20 3b% and playing almost identical stats postflop. Cheating is rampant in the bigger clubs. If I were to play on this app, I would only play in smaller or local clubs where I know every player IRL. Literally all the bigger clubs that i was in (anywhere between 500-2k players) were full of this type of team play/collusion.

People like u need to go away first ruining the normal sites now apps try and bring some value to these games

I just downloaded Pokerrrrr 2 and haven't joined any clubs yet, but it looks like all the PLO action is 5-handed? Do private clubs have full ring 8 or 9 handed games? Do they have Big O as well as PLO?

Different clubs host different games. Plenty of clubs with 6 max even 8 seaters. Yes, Big O is spread in some clubs

Some 7-8 months ago, through the prompting of my agent, I began playing on pokerr2. It was love at first sight, as I had never come across softer games before or since. One of the first clubs I joined was ‘Let’s Poker’ and I started crushing immediately. The first day playing, I won their free roll. The club only offered a single table of 100nl. The pool was composed of a wide net of recreational players from ‘fit or fold’ fish to maniacs playing nearly every hand. To give you a sense of just how bad the players were, I’m not sure I ever encountered a single reg while playing in that club. Or if I did, it was so rare that I can’t say for sure if it ever occurred. After about a week or so of winning at a rate of 30bb/100 the backlash came.

The first screenshot is of my agent informing me of the situation. Then my agent and the club owner, before they add me to the chat. The last image is me and my agent.

https://imgur.com/a/kR9hK7m

The club did cash me out and we did move on. Then a month or so ago, I met a reg on the app and we started conversing on telegram. We exchanged some information on good clubs to play in and I warned him about my experience on ‘Let’s Poker.’

https://imgur.com/a/Pw37WGZ

Not two weeks passed before the same accusations leveled at me were thrown at him. I realized in that moment what should have been obvious from the start. This was the softest pool I’d ever encountered because they ban any players who consistently win.

[https://imgur.com/a/1q5afl1](https:/....com/a/1q5afl1)

A common tactic of deception is to play the fool. This can be seen through the public statements of Kim Jong-un or in declassified CIA manuals on the topic. Playing the fool is effective because past a certain point, it becomes impossible to determine if the person is practicing extreme deception or just an idiot. But the answer to such questions is largely irrelevant in this situation: the outcome is the same regardless of which is true.

As far as we can tell, the host/owner of Let’s Poker, David Joseph, has no understanding of what a bot/RTA is or how they operate. We asked for evidence countless times, only to receive antidotes, speculation, absurd patterns, etc.

We must conclude that they do not understand what evidence is and have no understanding of empiricism or science. We feel certain that they are unaware that the brain is primed to find patterns, especially when they are self-serving. No doubt, they will see the interaction discussed here as 'evidence' of a conspiracy rather than the completely innocuous and regular practice of good players communicating in small player pools

Let's Poker claims to use a third-party bot detection service which verifies their accusations. They then ban the player, stealing their funds. The website is aibotdetector.com. It is a new, hastily created, ‘minimalistic,’ and unfinished site. The idea that these guys are sophisticated enough to adapt artificial intelligence but unable to design a website using anything but motifs from 1990 is unthinkable. We reached out to the site, but never received a response. As far as we can determine, the site has no online presence at all. It seems probable to us that 'Let's Poker' is behind the website. Although it is possible he is just being scammed by them. We never could reach agreement if David Joseph is merely playing the fool or is a fool.

We offer this account of events as a warning to others. We have nothing to gain from these exposures. In the end, we felt we had a moral responsibility to publicize this account. And to support the integrity of the game, no matter how small such actions may be in the grand scheme.

They're completely within their rights to not allow winning players. Many private games and tbh all the best ones will be pretty protective of their pool bc they dont want to have ppl who the fun players dont like playing with. When I was part of operations for various games across diff platforms we for sure pool protected with the approach that sure you can be a winning player, but you need to be fun to play with and someone ppl dont mind losing to. Giving action, being affable, shooting the **** etc are not just recommended, its a necessity or else gg. Seems like a very fair and reasonable exchange.

It is lame they wont just be transparent about this bc they think its better to boot bc of an unfounded claim youre cheating. Thats not chill. Maybe just let them know to be straight up and things would go smoother, and this might open the door for you to get back in the game with the commitment to being a benefit to the game moving forward

any missing features on this app? what do you like and dislike about the app as a player (besides supposed RNG)

What I don't like about pokerrr2 is that there is no vpip requirement, which creates very nitty tables... But looks like alot of fishes don't care about it and splash around so who am I to judge.

Other than that software itself is very different, not another ppp clone but that is mostly personal preference.

Hello guys
I am manager of a club in pokerrrr2. Today we got an attack from a bot he sent some text in the first page of the club that everyone can see. it said
bot_(a players name) : I belong to a massive bot ring All our accounts are busted thanks to (a telegram channel that no more exists)
bot_(a players name) : more info @ a facebook group

does any one knows where this bot come from and what should we do to get rid of it?

Here is an alias I made of all the bots that were removed from one club i play in.

Smallish sample but winrate is insanely high. Games do play fairly deep though.
Think a human could probably win 10-20bb/100 in these games

You did not get attacked. The Pokerrrr2 app did not get attacked. It was the group of bots who got attacked (hacked).

A white hat group gained temporary control of all the Pokerrrr2 bots. They changed the names of all the bots by adding a "bot_" prefix. They then instructed al the bots to out themselves by posting "I belong to a massive bot ring..."

What you should do is kick that account out of your club. (The fairest thing to do with the bots' funds is possibly to add it to the value of whatever freeroll you run, but that's up to you.)

Here is the Facebook group with all the info. (You'll need to request to join.)

https://www.facebook.com/groups/rrrr2bots

A hacker used a vulnerability in the bots to force them to out themselves in chat.There are thousands of bot accounts across Pokerrr2 being forcibly outed in club chats thanks to whoever did this. It’s like Christmas!

You have to kick the player to get rid and f them.

What club is this?

See https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...ember-1826243/

I think its best not to say. Not trying to start a witch hunt against club owners.

I made another alias this morning from another club I play in a lot



games were tougher in this club
bots weren't winning as much but still crushing

This is a comparison of basic playing statistics between the aliases I made for the two clubs I regularly play in.

Are these 4-card or 5-card clubs?

exclusively 4 card

All mine are exclusively 5 card.

Does anyone have a list of reliable clubs on here or can't give that out. I see some facebook promotions. Was not impressed with PokerBros have not ran well on there.