UB all over again. Gg online poker

Let me know if you need some help.
Guys here dont understand that is hard to have a "suspicous" hand but we are working on that.

HU cash regs did u guys played sunnny and lose? some regs say that sunnny is not a super user.

Damjanoid is 100% confirmed tho. We are waiting for tigergaming says something about this.

I've tracked every anti virus in my PC. Zero virus. I've also emailed teamviewer to confirm if someone enter in my pc. Nothing aswell.
I'm working in hands also.. its hard to get a suspicious hand. in tigergaming if no one make bets on river, the loser of the hand will not show the cards which sucks ..

Quite the contrary.

I am only repeating what has repeatedly been said, but:

- Do *not* focus on finding "smoking gun" hands and post them in isolation.

- Post full sessions.

- Post meaningful stats.

Here's where I'm a little confused. You're absolutely convinced, beyond a doubt, that there is superusing going on. You must have seen something pretty compelling to make you believe that - that's what you should be posting. It would either be hand histories, or this (or both):

Hi there,

Sorry for the delayed response on this. The fraud team have been made aware of your complaints and they have run an exhaustive investigation. The two accounts have been fully reviewed and no fraudulent activity has been detected. Here's the gist of what they found:
The hands provided as evidence are not determinant. Customers normally play hundreds of hands on a daily basis and very few hands were provided. Having looked over more hands, no suspicious pattern was noticed.

Having said that, we'll keep an eye on this. If anyone sees anything of this nature from these or other players, feel free to post details here or in a private message to me. Details like: your username, the opponents name, time and date of the session and hand numbers are crucial to ensuring that we resolve an investigation quickly.

Thanks all!

So in fact this player does "bad calls on river"?

No he only does good calls, and very aggressive calls at that.

or he was investigated, not enuff proof, and realized hes gotta make it look good....

Exactly lol. Just imagine if even an average player had this ability. My God, it would be time to retire.

ill be sure to study any opponents before sitting,and folding to those i have not had the chance to do so. better safe than sorry!

dont see damjanoid for like a 8/9 days. probably tiger made their job (but no refund)

yo, tuning in really late, was on vacation for 2 weeks

did the accounts disappear? Any other suspected accounts?

i played only 74 hands vs sunny and lost 1k at 5/10, didn't play the other guy

Hi guys, I just played sunnny on tiger 5-10 and was warned by a fellow reg he's a suspected super user. As most others, I don't really have any conclusive proof, it was just really weird. Always bet somehow correctly, didn't make a single bad call and always folded when I had a hand. Speaking to another 5-10 reg on Tiger now who's down 3k to sunnny over 500ish hands, and also down to damjanoid. Asking him to post hands now.

this is me who kjemmy was talking about;

it did seem weird playing against "sunnnnny" I played over 500 hands and I couldn't figure out anything, I had a few reads or thought originally were from the limited amount of showdowns given on this site I thought I understood his gameplan and when I ran a few bluff's he did always seemingly pick it up. Also down a few thousand to "damjanoid" who I also played 488 hands with. Now that this was brought upon me, they both definitely played a similar style (mini 3bets, and also the same amount of defending/ calling ranges).

this is the one hand against each opponent
https://www.weaktight.com/h/577da2b0d390433c528b47c9
https://www.weaktight.com/h/577da4a8d39043e56f8b47a0

I checked my database over again and these are the players who i've lost 3-4k each against:
Kobac1 (slightly different style from the two below).
Sunnny
Damjanoid

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The only thing that I find strange is that if they are super using me why not just take majority of what is in my account? Every single time we've played they quit me every single time.

Again, this is nothing conclusive. It's most likely just done in a manner so it's impossible to have conclusive proof. I'd suggest staying out of their way anyway - I know I'm going to.

You shouldn't. Skype should be always off when playing online poker. Everyone (kinda) knows that.

As for an opponent actually "seeing" another players whole cards, one of the oldest FUD stories in online poker unless it's an actual super user run by the operator. Apart from that the only way to "see" the whole cards of opponents is via packet sniffers and that will only work if the connection between client and game servers is not encrypted.

Please post more hands please.

I'm still not 100% sure if sunnny is a super user.
Same style and donk bets. Never calls with worst and plays nearly perfect.

Everytime i have a hand, he simple folds. Its unreal.

Kjemmy didn't play much with him, I played 1k total with them, really I couldn't find any hands where I could concretely point out to it, *as you see the two hands I posted above is almost suckish and has like 0 proof* its mainly because tigergaming doesn't show showdowns for the most part. Its really sick.

Yes, it is the same for me though based off my experience, I couldn't get any call downs when I hit, he seemingly value bets me light, raises my bluffs at the correct moment etc... at the moment I'm just avoiding him its not worth the headache of feeling like I can't win a hand and am getting cheated.

(What i write below is not only about Tigergaming, but any poker site)

I hope nobody trusts any rep or "security expert" from any site. They are the most incompetent and (sometimes) dishonest people out there and wouldn't find a scammer even if the scammer told them right into their face.

Audio: http://screencast.com/t/4bjFTuZ2g

I don't fault them for not knowing, the same way i don't make fun of people who don't know the capital of Norway or Sweden. However, if you claim to be an expert in Scandinavian studies, you deserve to be ridiculed.
They didn't spend thousand(s) of hours studying the game like many of us. What i do fault them for is their ignorance and arrogance, thinking they have any clue when they clearly don't. They have the chance to ask qualified people, but that's real work and sites don't do that (typically). The only time they do this is when they get caught with their pants down (pokerstars for example).
The alternative is that they do know and simply sell the public for fools. Pick your poison.

My advice:

Trust the players who play.
They are not some losers who cry "jokerstars is rigged" bc an Ace hit on the river. People at that level are very smart (at least in regards to poker) and I would trust their gut instinct all day long.

There's a chance players are wrong, but i don't see any practical way to establish objective proof in this case, so you have to go with your guts.

Audio:
http://screencast.com/t/lz5lyG0TMm

ImaChamp, remember that other site we had an issue years ago. Source confirmed me that my suspicion was right btw.

If it smells fishy, stay away.

Also, expect a new account with the same pattern.

Can anyone see the nationality of player: sunnny ?

I can bet he is from montenegro aswell lol

thanks for post ThinkItThrough!

how can they see ur cards with skype?

Hi ThinkItThrough,

Thank you for your thoughts. To answer your questions, i don't personally review the hands, because as you've stated in your response, I really don't know much. I've played poker both online and live, but to be perfectly honest, I'm really not that good.
So instead, I forward the information you guys provide us to our fraud team. Our fraud team consists of regular security experts, software experts and people who've played poker a whole lot longer than I ever did, and who play a LOT better than me. Together they use their various talents to determine whether someone is cheating and if they are, how they're doing it.
Having said that, I agree that you need to follow your gut. If you don't feel right about playing against someone, regardless of the reason you're not going to enjoy your game. In the end, we are here to provide you a fair, secure and enjoyable game of poker.

Thank you for some interesting food for thought and for looking out for other players! Good luck at the tables and have fun!

you would have to be a ****ing idiot to play on this site after reading this thread

yeah totally,

I mean why would you play on a site with a really soft player pool easily beatable games and make regular cash outs and a supplemented income and enjoy some of the fastest cashouts out there.

WHAT IDIOTS!!!!!