limit you need to CHILL THE FK OUT

yellowsub was playing, and thats why he didnt respond. for you to make the xfer, you were gonna have to deal with this.

sending almost 15 PMS IS ******ED

but in your ******edness you may have found a critical flaw in AP. woo!

clayton can you please help me out

no

also sub is done with AP altogether. AP stuff may get ridiculous in the next day due to this fiasco

sry limitninja but you being a dumb crackhead cost u the xfer. patience is a virtue man.

You think I don't know that. all I was trying to do is get money from ap to stars, and try to avoid getting scammed

so, you have > 1k available to play online, you will play the weekend tpurneys, but still dont pay the rest you owe and are still asking for more help

oli, if i get the money from ap to pokerstars I can pay right away, that is why I am trying to get the money over there. But noone wants to help me

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Guys still have a bunch on absolute, need stars, will pay very generous vig.

and another thing to yellowsub and the rest who were panicing, the only way they can reverse transactions on ap if they manually did it, if you look at my posts few months back I got scammed on there for 60 bucks and they never reversed anything for me

I need some money for the FTOPS on Full Tilt. I have plenty of Poker Stars money. My name on Stars is LaJune. Any one interested in trading PM me.

i would advise to anyone not to do trades with this guy until the absolute situation is resolved. apparantly it is very easy to not only reverse transfers by pleading with support, but they can give anyone your personal information

clayton, I am trying to do a legit trade.

Your friend tried to scam me, and now you are telling people not to do trades with me??

dont trade with yellowsub he is a scammer he tried to scam me, I sent him 1k on absolute he never responded to me at all until ap reversed the transaction

Just did a trade with Backspin20, quick transfers and no problems. Will do again.

FWIW, my take on the situation.

Let's rewind to the previous thread.

Limitninja got involved in several transfers in which he did not send funds. Bad for him.

To his credit, he then stayed active in the forum, and has made progress towards repaying all he owes.

He recently got involved in a transaction with yellowsub wherein the sent funds were not promptly returned. LNJ got nervous with what he felt was an unseemly delay, and took recourse in the only way he felt he could.

AP reversed the transaction, and volunteered personal information on another player.

IMO, all three parties share some culpability.

LNJ: Improperly traded.
Sent the full amount to an untested partner. I could be wrong about the untested part, but I don't recall seeing yellowsub recently active here.

I'm not privy to the agreement, but it seems like it was not sufficiently communicated when the payment from yellowsub was to be expected.

In light of the communication breakdown, I find no fault in your attempt to reverse the transaction.

yellowsub: Improperly traded.
Unless you informed you partner beforehand to expect delays, you had an obligation to promptly complete your end of the transaction.

AB: Yikes!
Personal info. Unilateraly reverse a trade. Enough said.

Unsolicted advice.

LNJ:
Slow down. I don't doubt your sincerity in trying to quickly repay your debts. You haste almost cost you $1,000.

Had it not been for some questionable actions by AP, you might be $1K poorer right now.

Get references, trade in chunks, agree on the timing, and above all, be patient.

Your debtors are not doubt pleased by your efforts. I'm sure they would rather see that you do not get unnecessarily derailed.

yellowsub:
The best traders become that way by remaining vigilant. You can go a long way to assuage your future partners concerns by remaining in contact with them until the transaction is complete.

AP:
Never release personal info or rescind a transfer without first hearing from both parties. Never.

Insinuating that Yellowsub shouldn't be trusted because he doesn't post in this thread is ludicrous.

finally

$1081.30 on FTP - need $1055 on stars. Reputable posters only please or be prepared to send first. I have references.

I will give 145 on Full Tilt for 140 on Pokerstars. Have references or be willing to send first.

Oliver, thanks for your input. It never hurts to have another set of eye at work here.

I plead not guilty, you honor.

I'm sure you've seen how I sometimes employ subtleties. I'm equally sure that you've seen that at times I can go full throttle to excoriate someone who's earned it. (Remember pkrblog?)

In this matter, I was hoping to convey with candor my assesment of yellowsubs' trading ability. I had no intent of impugning yellowsub, and I apologize to you any anyone who took umbrage.

I have to admit, I did no research on him aside from a quick search for posts here regarding recent trading. Since those were lacking, I read some of the others, and found them to be mostly substantive.

In light of that research (research is a lousy word for what I did, but it will have to suffice for now), I felt that a fair assessment of his trading ability could be reasonably categorized as 'untested', not 'reliable', not 'unreliable', simply 'untested'. I still feel that way.

Please note the disclaimer. I hope that you'll agree that that is a screaming invitation for scrutiny.

His lifetime winnings are of significance, inasmuch as it shows an ability to trade at that level, but I'm sure that all seasoned traders, such as yourself, can agree that that is but one facet of successful trading.

We have no sure way of knowing what research LNJ did, if any.

We have no sure way of know what agreement they made regarding the timing of their trade, if any.

There seems to be no argument about the other salient points.
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Slightly off topic.

I have the feeling that I'm wagering on the wrong horse in this race. The smart money is heavily favoring YS.

(Warning, insinuation coming)

I'm slightly dismayed that yellowsub can accept a transfer, then take more than an hour send his share, then be quizzical and cavalier in his replies to LNJ's straightfoward questions.

clamper, you do realize that the vast majority of the $ traded on this site doesn't occur in this thread?

clamper yellowsub just turned 21, most of his winnings came when he was underage (I wonder if pokerstars is aware of that), from his behaviour and his replies to me, I can assess that he is not very responsible person.

I don't think he was going to scam me though.
When support manually transferred the money, my transfer history never reflected it. So it is safe to assume his didnt either

This thread makes it easier to keep track a history of scams and scammers.

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