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08-07-2007 , 05:41 PM
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multitabling will cause you to have bigger varience (and need a bigger BR) due to tilt hitting you harder since you are playing more tables to tilt at
your assumption that people do not have control of their emotions is false.*

your assumption that people tilt more when playing more tables is also false.*

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and becuase multitabling increases your hourly rate but decreases your bb/100 giving you less of a cushion against natural varience.
your assumption that multitabling decreases your bb/100 is false.*

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Multitabling doesn't necessarily increase your variance (with respect to bb), but it will most likely lead to a smaller winrate. A smaller winrate will be more likely to suffer from longer losing periods as a negative deviation from the norm will be more likely to be negative dollars.
your bankroll for a given risk of ruin is a product of a calculation of your win rate, amongst other things.

this further reconfirms in my mind that your winrate should be considered when determining your bankroll requirements, not the number of tables you are playing.


*for many people, LDO. obviously individual results will vary.

LOL is Josem a bot?

Miyogi is of course quite correct about the reasons for MT'ing increasing risk of ruin if you are talking about non-bots - certainly once you are talking about playing more than 3 tables...
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08-07-2007 , 07:31 PM
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Move up fast and don't cash out until you're playing 200NL. Or at LEAST 100NL.
Why do you say this?
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08-07-2007 , 08:26 PM
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Miyogi is of course quite correct about the reasons for MT'ing increasing risk of ruin if you are talking about non-bots - certainly once you are talking about playing more than 3 tables...
If you are unable to play more than a handful of tables, that's an issue for you. I don't think there's anything unusual about playing 10-12 tables - as I often do.

Except for "outside" effects (like, for example, your internet dying when you're playing) your bankroll should be a reflection of your winrate, not the number of tables you play.

There is no difference between playing four tables or one table when it comes to bankroll requirements - it just happens that when you play four tables, you'll play through four times as many hands.

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So Josem either
a)has the cold logic of a cyborg to make the perfect decision every single time and never become emotionally involved in a hand
The two phrases in that sentence are not connected. I certainly make mistakes, but I don't get emotionally involved in a hand. After several hundred thousand of the things, I just don't care enough.

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b) is kidding himself and not recognizing when he is tilting
...and I still don't understand why this is connected to the number of tables played. I'm not trying to be an arse here - I genuinely have no comprehension of why playing more tables would cause you to go "on tilt" more.

BTW, even if it did, you should still calculate your bankroll requirements on the basis of your winrate, not on the basis of your multi-tabling habit.

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Playing more tables may not cause you to tilt more often but gives you the option of blowing way more money way quicker when you do tilt. ie. fish sucks out and you get mad playing 1 table you have time to cool down before making another decision while playing 8 tables you are making another decision almost immedietely.
...but when you're playing 8 tables, you don't invest the same emotional attachment in each hand.

Hell, after the money goes in, half the time I don't even see about what the result is to get tilted about it.

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It is a pretty standard thought as far as I've read that playing more tables gives you less attention to pay at each and will lower your bb/100.
While that may be your experience, it is not mine (up to a certain point, obviously)

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If you are still claiming to always make a perfect decision then yes going from 2 tables to 8 will have no affect but for the rest of us humans we can't get reads on 4x as many people nearly as well
I never claimed to make perfect decisions.

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I would agree that once you know your winrate (and your standard deviation) you can change your bankroll accordingly but OP likely does not have the 20k+ hands to start figuring those things out.
Then OP probably doesn't need 100% mathematically based bankroll management skills. Just have about 20 buyins and move up and down freely, especially to begin with.
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08-07-2007 , 08:41 PM
"I genuinely have no comprehension of why playing more tables would cause you to go "on tilt" more"

I agree with Josem,in fact i think its easier not to tilt multi-tabling.Alot of players get bored playing one table which leads them to get involved in spots they normally shouldnt,this doesnt happen as much playing multiple tables.Also,you have less time to dwell on bad beats.If your AA gets sucked out,you might be playing KK on another table or whatever,you are steady making decisions which forces you to dwell less on the bad beat you just took.At least thats my experience.
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08-07-2007 , 08:55 PM
Auto, I'm a kiwi too, living in Auckland, having moved from Wellington earlier this year for work.

Originally I used to cash out using the Neteller card. This was perfect as you could get access to the cash within an hour usually. Since that stopped becoming an option I've not cashed out. I did get an epassporte card recently but have yet to try it. Neteller also emailed me about their new card being available so we'll see how that goes.

With regards to when to cash out, I do it when the amount in my FTP account was over a reasonable threshold for me. So when playing NL25 and it hit 800 or so I'd take out a couple hundred. Since the lack of good cash out options I've gone to building a bankroll to move up instead.
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08-07-2007 , 09:15 PM
Im in Welly, at Vic Uni. Playing NL50. I havent cashed out as much recently since the dollar went soaring against the USD. Although it seems to be coming back abit.
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08-07-2007 , 10:29 PM
I don't have to worry about paying myself anymore. Month-long break even streak FTW!
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09-02-2007 , 10:01 PM
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Im in Welly, at Vic Uni. Playing NL50. I havent cashed out as much recently since the dollar went soaring against the USD. Although it seems to be coming back abit.
Same.

I just made my first transaction with Gary Bensons intercash service and this looks like it will be my preffered cash out method from now on.
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