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PartyPoker sitout protest. POSTPONED. See Post #100 PartyPoker sitout protest. POSTPONED. See Post #100

10-27-2013 , 10:33 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by poker tatsu ni
Hi All,

I understand your collective frustration about our silence on many of the major topics players have questions about. While I think we have made substantial improvements in our communications around releases, and generally being present here to address some software issues, it's just not good enough yet because we have been publicly focussing on the small issues rather than the big ones. It's a start. And it IS going to continue to get better.

Party Rep will post by EOD Thursday about the 'Protected Tables' on partypoker (also known as 'Segregated Tables' on 2p2), with information about how it currently works, when it was implemented and why. He will also include details about what actions we're going to take given recent developments.

You may think that we aren't doing anything, or taking action, because we aren't posting in this forum everyday. I assure you that is not the case. Changing how we communicate about these things to players just requires a lot of work from the inside-out.

I ask for your continued patience, but offer a firm deadline about addressing one of the biggest issues in our poker rooms this year. I hope that will help assuage the frustration, and that other positive developments in the near future make you happy to play on our sites again.

Sincerely,

Jeffrey Haas
tell us also why u scammed us with your party point. Dropping their value twice without warnings in 6 months thus making players lose countless thousands of dollars

1st scam : Removing Palladium elite with next to no warnings
2nd scam : Making the point bonus 4 times harder to unlock making the point as worthless as 12% rakeback value when purchasing palladium VIP bonuses. You basically destroyed ppl party point balance value with no warnings
Also removing the option to buy instant cash to make everybody rake slaves forever and indirectly forcing people to ''pay'' by surrendering the point by leaving the site

Why am I almost the only one whining about this issue ? This is easily as bad as segregation


PS : In before we segregated tables to protect fish from bumhunters and predatory attitude

Last edited by omnishakira; 10-27-2013 at 10:40 PM.
10-27-2013 , 10:41 PM
by the way the only reason i wanna do a sit out is because I want you guys to wake up and change your terrible decisions so I can come bak on party poker and play there
10-28-2013 , 12:33 AM
Omnishakira, the point value is one of the questions listed that we are also trying to address, so hopefully it does get addressed.
10-28-2013 , 02:22 AM
I haven't played on Party POKER since before BF but as a member of the community I would like to throw my full support behind all the players being victimized by this site.
10-28-2013 , 05:18 AM
In obviously.
10-28-2013 , 10:18 AM
I'm more than happy to join you guys.
10-28-2013 , 04:04 PM
I'm curious to see how they react. the situation now seems quite different compared to the previous sitout, since they were - to some extent - a reasonable company back then.
in b4 seized funds

Last edited by IoNlYsAyThInGsOnCe; 10-28-2013 at 04:08 PM. Reason: jeffrey, this is the opportunity to get rid of some more regs! just make something up, what can they do, right?
10-28-2013 , 04:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by gargamel_fk
No not just answers but when/if they do something about it. They have been bull****ing us for several months. It doesn't matter what they say but what they do. Imagine that you have a GF that cheat on you and steal from you on a daily basis and you act like "if you promise to change there is no reason for me leave you" LOL really??


I am honestly impressed how people still trust Jeffrey and take his words for granted. He made same promises 2 months ago while the new software release disaster.

The new storm is pretty much the same so he try to do his standard "mambojambo" PR bull**** so you would keep playing there and give them business.

Seriously at this point if you believe/trust Jeffrey and bwin.party team you are just mental. Words cost them nothing and it doesn't matter what they say but what they do and look:

They
-get rid of americans
-get rid of old software version that was better,then
-introduced lag, cards changing at showdown bugs, freezing mtts, focus steal, ghost opponent bug
-don't get rid of bots, shortstackers, sng colluders, free bankroll scammers, revlis87 & autoseat script crew,then
-get rid of dealt rake,then
-introduced $5 rake cap until players sit out protest,then
-get rid of gladiator and any grinder promos,then
-introduced rigged world domination promo,then
-get rid of affiliates,then
-get rid of high stakes,then
-get rid of players/flop, avg pot filters,then
-get rid of Palladium Elite,then
-get rid of some gtd tournaments,then
-get rid of players from some more countries,then
-introduced the segregation,then
-get rid of most of the bonuses without any notification,then
-get rid of disconnection protection,
-they introduced withdraw fee'
-increased clearance rate for each bonus so you get like max 20% rakeback
-they introduced new,extremely buggy software that is significantly worse than the old one

(curtesy for jspill for updating most of the list with Party improvements )
but yeah you are right-they promised are answer so no reason to be pissed on them No reason to do any sit-out protest cause it is business as usual...
If these are your reasons for why you think Party sucks then you're dellusional. They are changing their business model to "recreational" model instead of the "grinder" model that Stars uses. You also repeated yourself at least twice in that list.
10-28-2013 , 05:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Craggoo
They are changing their business model to "recreational" model instead of the "grinder" model
lol, i'd say anyone who claims that this is all that is happening is delusional. they repeatedly scammed their customers in multiple ways, ignore almost everything the customer has to say and dont give a **** about offering a legit and reliable product ffs.
10-28-2013 , 05:11 PM
how is getting rid of disconnect protection a bad thing lol. lost at least 500$ due to abusers
10-28-2013 , 06:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by IoNlYsAyThInGsOnCe
I'm curious to see how they react. the situation now seems quite different compared to the previous sitout, since they were - to some extent - a reasonable company back then.
in b4 seized funds
I don't think they will seize funds, but agree with the rest. Curious if they will just start banning people, since they've made it clear they don't want our busienss anyway.

Although who knows, they effectively scammed tons of customers by massively devaluaing party points and taking 3% of skrill withdrawls.
10-28-2013 , 07:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by omnishakira
how is getting rid of disconnect protection a bad thing lol. lost at least 500$ due to abusers
getting rid of disconnect protection on a client, that constantly causes disconnections, isn't necessarily a particularly good thing either imo
10-28-2013 , 07:57 PM
damn did i miss this?

Is it Friday, or was it today, I'm confused

Last edited by Andyfothershops; 10-28-2013 at 08:03 PM.
10-28-2013 , 08:05 PM
it's on friday
10-28-2013 , 09:14 PM
Isn't this the reason why they got rid of beginner tables when they first implemented them many years ago? How did they think it would be any different the second time around?
10-28-2013 , 11:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by gargamel_fk

Seriously at this point if you believe/trust Jeffrey and bwin.party team you are just mental. Words cost them nothing and it doesn't matter what they say but what they do and look:

They
-get rid of americans
-get rid of old software version that was better,then
-introduced lag, cards changing at showdown bugs, freezing mtts, focus steal, ghost opponent bug
-don't get rid of bots, shortstackers, sng colluders, free bankroll scammers, revlis87 & autoseat script crew,then
-get rid of dealt rake,then
-introduced $5 rake cap until players sit out protest,then
-get rid of gladiator and any grinder promos,then
-introduced rigged world domination promo,then
-get rid of affiliates,then
-get rid of high stakes,then
-get rid of players/flop, avg pot filters,then
-get rid of Palladium Elite,then
-get rid of some gtd tournaments,then
-get rid of players from some more countries,then
-introduced the segregation,then
-get rid of most of the bonuses without any notification,then
-get rid of disconnection protection,
-they introduced withdraw fee'
-increased clearance rate for each bonus so you get like max 20% rakeback
-they introduced new,extremely buggy software that is significantly worse than the old one

(curtesy for jspill for updating most of the list with Party improvements )
but yeah you are right-they promised are answer so no reason to be pissed on them No reason to do any sit-out protest cause it is business as usual...
Quote:
Originally Posted by IoNlYsAyThInGsOnCe
lol, i'd say anyone who claims that this is all that is happening is delusional. they repeatedly scammed their customers in multiple ways, ignore almost everything the customer has to say and dont give a **** about offering a legit and reliable product ffs.
Bolded stuff is just things related to their new business model that you don't like or things they were forced to do (like pull out of the US market). Underlined stuff is things that you repeated multiple times but still need to be fixed. Apparently you don't think we can read? Anything that isn't bolded is stuff that should definitely be fixed. I hope that clarifies my position.
10-29-2013 , 02:24 AM
Not sure they really needed to get rid of new finnish accounts, at least. Nothing going on here that would suggest legal problems. But hey, maybe Party knows better?

Also, the 3% withdrawal fee for neteller/skrill was just to prevent the deposit promo abuses. That could've been handled in a different, much better way like some posters suggested in the Party thread.

Getting rid of cash for points & palladium elite, lowering partypoints' value and raising the requirements for bonus clearing WITHOUT NOTICE is very scummy and could've been handled A LOT better

Anyway, all this has been discussed a lot before. My biggest concern are the ridiculous bonus clearing requirements and on Friday I'll be happy to sitout protest about this only even if they tell the truth about segragation, which I doubt.
10-29-2013 , 04:12 AM
If Party wants to change their business model then that's fine. I don't like it but that's a different story.

The problem for me is in the way they are handling this situation. You don't have to pull your customers over the barrel unless you want to. The way Partypoker was implementing their business model change was saying "we couldn't care less" to their loyal players.

- Partypoints: Why not send an email saying as of xx.xx partypoints will be reduced in value. You have until that day to clear your points?
- Segregation: Why not send an email (to the winning players) stating that in order to protect our recreational players we are going to implement tables where only our recreational players are allowed to play?
- Abuse of Segregation: That happens when you introduce something and don't think it through. I mean did they really expect nobody would abuse this? Fair thing to do would be to reverse segregation until they find a way to stop the abuse.
- 3% withdrawal fee: I can understand that they don't want people abusing the neteller or skrill promotions so it was about time that somehting would happen. Fair way would have been to just opt out of this promotions with skrill/neteller.

Communication is key but that never used to be party's strength and jeffrey has not shown much interest to improve the situation.
10-29-2013 , 04:17 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by wodka
If Party wants to change their business model then that's fine. I don't like it but that's a different story.

The problem for me is in the way they are handling this situation. You don't have to pull your customers over the barrel unless you want to. The way Partypoker was implementing their business model change was saying "we couldn't care less" to their loyal players.

- Partypoints: Why not send an email saying as of xx.xx partypoints will be reduced in value. You have until that day to clear your points?
- Segregation: Why not send an email (to the winning players) stating that in order to protect our recreational players we are going to implement tables where only our recreational players are allowed to play?
- Abuse of Segregation: That happens when you introduce something and don't think it through. I mean did they really expect nobody would abuse this? Fair thing to do would be to reverse segregation until they find a way to stop the abuse.
- 3% withdrawal fee: I can understand that they don't want people abusing the neteller or skrill promotions so it was about time that somehting would happen. Fair way would have been to just opt out of this promotions with skrill/neteller.

Communication is key but that never used to be party's strength and jeffrey has not shown much interest to improve the situation.
+1

Well said.
10-29-2013 , 04:38 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Craggoo
Bolded stuff is just things related to their new business model that you don't like or things they were forced to do (like pull out of the US market). Underlined stuff is things that you repeated multiple times but still need to be fixed. Apparently you don't think we can read? Anything that isn't bolded is stuff that should definitely be fixed. I hope that clarifies my position.
There isn't any position just trolling so sorry but won't bother to "discuss" with you.

I just couldn't quote the jspill post from the Party thread where he "fixed my post" with changes list and added stuff about the changes they made.
Some changes are debatable (getting rid of Americans like 3-4 years before P*/FTP did, same for disconnection protection which given that the software still constantly freezes, sure there were abusers but given how buggy the software used to be and still is (I easily lost 200$ last week to the bugs I probably could avoid with the disconnection protection.) there are many reasons why it was reasonable)
There isn't anything repeated stuff if you could read with understanding which you obviously can't you would see that firstly we discuss the upgrade of the old software (get rid of old software version that was better) then a bunch of bugs that were following with that upgrade long time ago not the new software (that they introduced this this year after like 6-7 years running the same software).
I understand that some things are debatable but just because you don't think that they were bad they are good or they are just business decision or whatever that was good for anyone except themselves (and even that given how big market share they lost is debatable)


However given your post I won't discuss with you man cause you are just random troll so please just ignore my posts whenever you see them. (feel free to add me to your ignore list if it helps)

Last edited by gargamel_fk; 10-29-2013 at 04:49 AM.
10-29-2013 , 07:48 AM
+ 1
10-29-2013 , 01:39 PM
Any idea if mid-high stakes plo is segregated?
10-29-2013 , 04:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by poker tatsu ni
Hi All,

I understand your collective frustration about our silence on many of the major topics players have questions about. While I think we have made substantial improvements in our communications around releases, and generally being present here to address some software issues, it's just not good enough yet because we have been publicly focussing on the small issues rather than the big ones. It's a start. And it IS going to continue to get better.

Party Rep will post by EOD Thursday about the 'Protected Tables' on partypoker (also known as 'Segregated Tables' on 2p2), with information about how it currently works, when it was implemented and why. He will also include details about what actions we're going to take given recent developments.

You may think that we aren't doing anything, or taking action, because we aren't posting in this forum everyday. I assure you that is not the case. Changing how we communicate about these things to players just requires a lot of work from the inside-out.

I ask for your continued patience, but offer a firm deadline about addressing one of the biggest issues in our poker rooms this year. I hope that will help assuage the frustration, and that other positive developments in the near future make you happy to play on our sites again.

Sincerely,

Jeffrey Haas
You are scammers and nothing else. Stop scamming people and refund them the money you have stolen from them through several measures. You are constantly lying to your customers. Explaining in pr-language why you scam players will not make anything better!

+1 for blocking
10-29-2013 , 09:29 PM
$450 bonus , cleared in 2 increments now and close to 3k points to clear WTF PARTY?
10-30-2013 , 05:03 AM
Subbed and joining sit out.

      
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