I'm willing to give Party the benefit of the doubt and assume this really is simply due to spaghetti code and not nefarious intentions. However, them taking this long to fix it really makes it hard to see them in a good light. Basically every known poker site has a fast fold variant these days. Surely the seating algorithm isn't so complex and secret that Party couldn't fix theirs within a couple of hours of a single developer working on it.

Well if all it takes is a good promo for people not to care then how big of a deal is it really?

Made a reddit/poker post on this issue. Would appreciate if everyone could go upvote and share it.

https://www.reddit.com/r/poker/comme...intentionally/

will anyone actually help us

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To back this up, I ran the exact binomial distribution calculation in Julia. Answer: 8.34 * 10^-123
or 1 in 1.199 * 10^122

Here are my Ignition fast fold stats filtered for 6 players as an additional data point.

143,502 hands:

SB - 24,407
BB - 23,520
EP - 41,574
MP - 16,930
CO - 13,351
BTN - 23,720

Interesting...what stakes?

5NLz, 10NLz, 25NLz, and 50NLz

As I was stating many posts ago. This happens on GG, Bonition, probably ACR, etc. Seen it with streamers. And the 5 in a row Sb seating I recently received (after wining medium sized pot).

Ok. We need some more samples from other sites. One assumes that seating is supposed to be random but that obviously isn't happening here.

Somebody else has to be getting way more buttons and fewer blinds. It has to balance out somehow

The mobile players might enter on any spot, like the CO. Leaving, you try to wait, or just leave? Where? Playing less COs; try posting more blinds there?

I have a story that I don't think is relevant. probably like 2008-2010 was just starting poker grinded maybe 3k playing .10 / .25 was probably the biggest volumn micro degen on that site tbh. They had monthly promotions, the new month started they had a mcdonalds monopoly game style promotion. If you know anything about that every time you buy a burger or a drink you get a monopoly piece and you need all properties of the same color to win and they have huge prizes. All you have to do is get boardwalk and parkplace for a millions dollars wow? im sure the stupid people fall for it but obviously one of the two pieces is super rare and its all you really need for the prize and the other one is just bait.

So they have this promotion you rake xxx you get a city berlin hamburg? I dont remember you get all citys in a country or continent you win something like 5$ up to 10k. The first night of that month I decide to shot take and im just 18 tabling every .50 table I doubt any non highstake player outraked me that night just blasting a stupid amount of **** poorly played hands like I always do. I keep getting these prizes and I keep winning this money so I play more and more. By the end of the night im probably up 20k as a 18 year old micro grinder.

Turned out they also had a "bug" or just as likely some idiot programmer forgot to make one piece of every set weighted to how much money they wanted to give away like mcdonalds does. They fixed that the next day I think. They did honor the prizes but I heard they just made it so none of the rare ones came out anymore to fix their mistake screwing everyone else who was not lucky enough to 18 table that night or play decent stakes . Not even sure if its the same idiots running it now just felt like it was a good time to share that story.

Not to derail the thread but I do remember back when I was a whale dabbling in online poker for the first time I played on party. They had these things called "beginner only" tables which only let you play 1 cash table at a time. I thought these would be a good place to learn, but got absolutely crushed. Turns out, the programmers forgot to count fast forward games as a "cash" table, so regs would play their normal ff sessions and would just add one "fish" table on the side and print money.

Nevertheless, I remember they at least took action pretty quickly when they found out about the regs exploiting the system back then. Meanwhile, they've been aware of people getting cheated out of COs for months now but haven't put any effort towards fixing it.

It's not costing them money yet.

Don't they operate in some heavily regulated jurisdictions? Every victim of this bug should be hammering in GC complaints and not accepting "talk to party CS" as an answer.

Isn't that what the GC is for? How is such a massive failure to provide fair games not some kind of fine/penalty? They are knowingly cheating customers by allowing the games to continue to run even if they didn't initially mean to.

10z is not an option on ignition.

Here are my stats filtered for 6 players 5z-500z

I reported this issue way earlier ( above 8 months now ) with relevant sample, the seats dont go to a certain player type, but are more likely to go to players who play less tables
so the more tables you open ( regulars are more likely to multitable ), the more likely u are to lose the Cut off position u are supposed to be assigned to, because they transfer u to a next hand almost instantly and fail to put u into ur respective positions a % of the time to speed up the game
i also tested the seats by playing less tables ( also own a relevant sample now ) and have confirmed I am getting more cut offs and sent the sample over to the relevant team 7 months ago, they are aware of the issue and have always been
the situation is definitely out of control because there are millions of usd owed if party aims to do this right, but party also cant magically cough up 1m usd

the less u play
the fairer the distribution is
again, I have brought this to attention and the fact that there is no public statement on this is madness

Thanks for that info. Interesting. Wish you had jumped into this thread earlier!

This is all beyond gross.
It is one thing to not be aware of the error. But to know about it and not do anything about it and not even address it at all really is basically criminal. Games are supposed to be fair, right?

I don't know much about the situation with sites outside the U.S. but I know there is some sort of gaming commission out there. And also in the individual countries. It is probably time for them to be notified. Or maybe inform Party that telling the gaming commissions is in the works unless this is addressed right away.
It is possible that such a threat and the subsequent follow-through doesn't accomplish anything either. I envision gaming commission types not understanding what is happening here and why it is a clear violation of ethics and the idea that everyone receives an equal and fair game. So explaining that to them could absolutely be a complete headache.
But the lack of communication from Party regarding any intent to do anything about this leads to the very understandable inference that they don't intend to do anything about it or to make this right.

How many tables did you play to get a fairer distribution 1 or 2?

Hello everyone:

I'm a freelance writer currently researching a story inspired by this thread and a parallel one on Reddit. If you have additional thoughts/information to share, my DMs are open.

I'm particularly interested in any communications between players and partypoker representatives acknowledging there is an issue, and insights on the origin of this "bug" and how in detail it's messing up the CO distribution.

tyia ~ Kat

I seem to recall links are discouraged here, but a preliminary article on this topic has now been published at Poker.org. You can find it by Googling the title:

"Partypoker Fast Forward bug costing regs millions?"

Links have never been discouraged, unless they're self-promotional, spam, etc. But your caution is appreciated.

Here's the link:

https://www.poker.org/partypoker-fas...regs-millions/

Many thanks, Bobo.

Man, the reddit community is ticked!! Over 300 comments!!
The original post is a bit over-the-top about it. But he isn't really wrong either. It truly is robbery.
- It has been several months
- They know about it (from multiple people)
- They let the "flaw" continue and haven't fixed it
- They haven't spoken publicly about it
- They mostly haven't compensated their customers
- They still let these unfair games continue even though they know they are broken

Have a 400k hand Database that shows the same trend.

I am going to email party about it now.

Will send you a PM Feline9ine.

I have wrote to party twice now and they replied both times telling me their rng is fair and there are no problems. Hilarious!