There are no names in the hand histories, only HERO and Player 1-6.

Ah, right. That should make it all the simpler to see if players 1-6 have a corresponding excess of hands in the CO, and shortage in the blinds. But it does render useless my earlier suggestion of finding what players are benefiting.

Since all the data posted ITT so far was from HEM2/HEM3, there is a small possibility of a Hold'em Manager bug which causes it to incorrectly process PartyPoker fastforward hand histories, resulting in some CO hands being missed. I find this very unlikely, but it might be worth exporting some of these databases and importing them to PokerTracker or H2N just to be sure.

Could someone with a big sample of hands just group them altogether in Hem / h2n and see if overall the numbers are the same in each position? That would eliminate tracking error right?

This seems pretty suspicious hope whatever has happened it gets sorted.

8th post itt

One Idea I have:

check total hands dealt 5-5 players + total hands dealt (Not) 5-5 Players
and see if it is equal to total hands dealt or if some are getting lost.

(PS I'm not familiar with HM, only PT4, but this must be doable.)

Right. It may not be likely, but it just seems simple for a few of the people who are posting their own stats to also look at the whole population as well.

Yes, I saw that at the time. I think was more in reply to an early thought that it could be an issue with HEM2 only.

I should add - my thought isn't just about the tracking software - what if there is an issue with the hand history output by the site? Again, it may be unlikely, but it seems like a really simple thing to check while people are already going through their stats.

The most obvious answers to me are either:

1) Their algorithm that should be randomly assigning position...isn't. If that's the case, then the question would be whether it's simply an unplanned and unknown flaw, or something sinister.
2) Something wrong with the data, either in the hand history output, or the hand history analysis afterwards.

Also, I hope if anyone sees this thread, checks their data, and finds the opposite bias, that they will post that as well. If there truly is a problem, *someone* must be getting the opposite result. Of course if it was some kind of malfeasance by the site, it could be that no "regular" players are benefiting.

https://streamable.com/zs9xux

Uhm,

Fast Fold, just had 5 Small Blinds in a row...?
I hope we get refunds/compensation for this.

Right, if something sinister is going on then I doubt the kind of players who benefit from it will ever stumble across this thread anyway.

Lol, not only are the games constantly shorthanded which results in you naturally paying more blinds, you also get screwed out of winrate by being forced to play from the SB more often than in a normal game. Not sure why anyone would play on party at this point after they removed leaderboards.

this is pretty insane.

i'd think there's at least a couple or a few people with the ability to reach out to someone that might fit in that category of players.

Has anyone requested all their FF hand histories from Party and re-imported the full set of hands? This is important to rule out an issue where "Sit out Next BB" might lead to a situation where the previous hand(s) (not in the blinds) are not written to the hard drive correctly.

(Disclaimer: I'm not very familiar with Party's current HH procedures; the above is under the assumption that the HH which have been imported are "real time" HH written to the HD while playing)

I have over 2 million hand database on Party but when I go to select player it only shows Hero, no Player 1-6. I can't use HM3 very well either as i just bought it a while ago.

the posting the BB / SB 3 to 5 times consecutively thing is happening in front of my monitor daily, I even played a 2 tabling sesh counting hands dealt in each position manually it is very rigged.

you dont get dealt BB to SB to BTN to CO to MP like you do on stars.
you just get booted into random positions every hand.
So you can go from BB to EP to BB to SB to BTN to xx xx xx xx like someone just didnt care about the fastforward coding

as long as it was equal probability I don't think that would be a huge deal, but the evidence is suggesting that probability changes and is skewed, right?

it wouldn't be a big deal or matter at all if the probabilities were equal.

2nd part is true, yes.

maybe the distribution of buttons gets fkd when the casual player joins the pool and when its usually reg game its normal. just a theory. can we at least post some proper data instead of i had my coffee this morning and i was 5 times in a row in blinds, maybe u never notice when ur on button co.

so the over 1 million hands where CO specifically is well under average for each player isn't proper data for you? lol

mods banning op and moving the thread to internet poker from NVG doesnt help at all.

disclaimer: i am not op

Sure it ain’t 😁. Accounts come from everywhere to defend the integrity of online poker. The min someone has some evidence no one is interested and op is banned and thread moved. Not Looking good 😔

Well I mean bobo literally listed the reason he saw for the ban. If OP wants to come back with a new account that doesn't have a fake e-mail I'm sure he can.

And second, if everyone else has the same data as OP, he isn't even needed for the thread going forward because everyone else missing CO hands (and button hands 3 handed?) can do the same thing he can.

As for the thread being moved though, idk what the reason there is. NVG definitely gets more views and this is something pretty huge if it's true.

If either A) someone from party can post saying this isn't true and some explanation or B) someone from pt4/hm3 can post saying it's not an input/software error that would probably help a lot either way.

Probably the move at the time was due to interest, nvg mod would move it. The title seemed more akin to Internet Poker than News.

I doubt there are more views per se in NVG than here, considering the types of threads in NVG.

However, since there seems to be multiple responses with similar data points, perhaps it can be moved back or spun off by one of the aggrieved?

There are positives and negatives; I'll elaborate below.

LOL. If only you guys who come up with stuff like this would spend a minute or two applying some logic, you might not make yourself look so silly.

Why would we want to suppress potentially negative information about poker sites that don't even advertise with us? If that's how we operated, shouldn't we be promoting threads like this, maybe making them a sticky, so people go to the sites that advertise with us instead? If your thought is that we just want to make online poker in general look good, then why are there literally thousands of threads on our forums that are highly negative, but untouched? If we wanted to make this thread go away, why not just delete it? (More on that in a moment.) And why would I be in this thread, encouraging people to post statistics so we can get to the bottom of this? As for the banning of the OP, I'm not sure what that would help - he had already posted his stats. Not much more "damage" he could do. Your weird conspiracy theory, or whatever that is, isn't especially well-founded.

Now, I mentioned that this thread could actually just have been deleted. In fact, that's actually what happened. A moderator from another forum "OTB&C"ed the OP. That stands for "One Touch Ban & Clean", and is a simple way to ban someone and delete all their posts - it's reserved only for very new posters, most often spammers, but sometimes a situation like OP with a disposable or fake email address, things of that nature. Whether the OP posted something in another forum that inspired the mod to check his registration info, or whether it was this thread, I couldn't say. But I noticed the thread had been deleted about 4 hours after it happened, and restored it.

If you still feel there is something amiss with the way this thread was handled, feel free to start a thread in the "About the Forums" forum, which is where threads like that belong, so we can get back on track here. If you do, you're welcome to link it here.

Exactly.

Yes, in general, poker site issues belong in IP. There is some crossover, which can make it tricky at times. Once in a while, a site-specific thread that is considered "big news" is allowed to remain in NVG; admittedly, this can be a bit subjective.

Definitely more views in NVG, but as you may be alluding to, are they helpful views for a thread like this?

This comes back a bit to my initial response to Kanaxis. One thing about NVG, is you get a high noise-to-signal ratio; a whole lot of people that want to chime in, but perhaps not always with useful information. Also, I question whether there are many regular Party Poker players that read NVG but don't read IP. I wouldn't be surprised if there are a larger number of regulars that read IP and not NVG, but I can't say for certain. However, I have what I think is a solution...

I still think this thread belongs here, because it's where our most regular online players are going to be. But we need more data, so I think it's important to get this thread as much attention as possible. With that goal in mind, I've created a new thread in NVG, directing people over here for data, and hopefully staying there if they just want to engage in more LC chatter.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...games-1789090/

Also, I would encourage people who regularly participate in strat forums and other places here where Party regs are interacting, to encourage them to get involved in this thread. However, I'd caution against starting 10 more threads in different forums, and instead suggest there may be existing threads where this info would be appropriate, or if you think a standalone thread is appropriate, maybe check with a mod of the forum(s) in question before doing so.

I played a few hundred thousand hands at FF and noticed the same problem.

Hey guys, I have a losing sample on Party Poker, and I think I found where your missing Cutoff hands hands have gone...

"eats popcorn"