Hehe, yep - I don't really see how he interprets my post as me rooting for Pacific to keep the money? I just thought there was a pretty slim chance of getting it back because of the T&C - it looks like the 2+2 community, and especially Mike Haven, has proved me wrong though! Nice work.

Juk

congrats dude

I just dont believe people should be kicking the guy who lost $3000 plus dollars.

And when you go thru the post here, a lot of people kicked the guy who lost the $3000 plus dollars .

Proud to say I'm not one of them .

and shame on all the people who enjoyed so much kicking the guy
when he was down .
.
.

And make no mistake about it

jukofyork kicked the guy right out of the gate in post number 2
in this whole thread .

the Smiley face was just spitting right in his face

And you think i should go to Collage for reading comprehension ???
.

this forum and its members have done the entire forum proud. gj mods and others who helped and congrats to OP for getting your money back.

I'd ask you to point me to some of these people, but it's pretty clear that you would just pick put any post that wasn't full of sympathy and promising to email Pacific and call it "kicking the guy".

I don't know about Collage, I think some one might have mentioned college, but either way it appears you need to learn a bit about reading posts. You see, the written word is a little different than speaking to someone in person; it can be tricky to infer the writer's exact tone. I would've thought that some one new to the forums might take a minute to make sure they understood the tone of a person's post before going off on them. Juk is one of the more positive people on these forums, and he pretty much always signs his posts off with "Juk ". I notice OP didn't seem to have a problem with his replies either. Maybe you should pick up on these cues and come to the realization that you might possibly have made a bad read here.

We have a great thread here, where a poster came in with a problem, and the 2+2 community came together to help bring it to a positive resolution. You insist on finding whatever you can to criticize. Please stop dragging this thread down with your negative crap.

Good job everyone.

Hopefully Pacific follows through with a more reasonable T&C now.

Congratulations OP and well done to all of those involved, however I think we have only solved a minor problem, yes it is great we have solved this case and OP has his money back, but the fact still remains that this is going to continue to happen on 888, and the only way for it to be resolved is to get the family at 2p2 to show the power of the biggest poker based forum. IMHO the 'big picture' is far from fixed

All the best

(Hey I can post seriously afterall)

OP,

If possible, would you be able to post the email Pacific sent you? After this email sent to you earlier by a "customer rep" (who you should have named, and should be fired), I wouldn't mind hearing their excuses and backpeddling. Not posting their response, plus how this "customer rep" is anything but, is letting Pacific off too easily.

I agree with the above posters, it's not how they handled this case (they had no choice), but whether they change their ways, or only make right when forced to.

I don't remember anybody "kicking the guy when he was down". I do remember a few posters asking why he maintained $5K on the site without playing for a year but I think that was just out of curiosity.

Reasoning with them politely and intelligently was clearly the way to go here.
You don't have to be a wimp if you feel you've been wronged. But losing your temper and talking down to the support people I've always felt yields worse results.
There were a few discussions in the past few months where some claimed that you really have to yell at the customer-support monkeys to have any chance of getting your way.
I've found much greater success doing it this way.

And in this situation the OP was professional and polite with the forums and intelligently provided all the e-mails for all to see. the internet-forum crowd nor 2+2 immediately dismisses every single new poster's complaint about being wronged. If you are new here but present your case well 2+2 will take your side and help you out and that is pretty darned awesome when you think about it. It's not that hard really.


In other news: I checked my balance on a site I hadn't logged onto in almost 2 years probably. It's actually a few bucks more than I thought it would be. $537.35 that I've kept sitting in there in case I ever felt like returning.
This is poker-dot-com which I guess is now carbonpoker but the download for the poker-com client still works fine on my computer.
Does anyone know if they have such a policy and just haven't noticed my account perhaps? Having gone this long I am assuming I'm cool.

I also had $2.5k in my Paradise account for quite awhile that I had completely forgotten about back in the day. Probably was over a year. I knew I had some money left in there but had forgotten that it was that much.
And this was back in the day when you could cashout to neteller. I kept the balance in there in case I felt like checking into a juicy game there and thn forgot about it and never bothered checking about those juicy games.

Agreed Bob, and the 'monkeys' guy had a poll up, the most one sided poll in 2p2 history perhaps, where he was the only one who felt it was the right way to talk to these 'monkeys'

Greetings,

I clicked the link to your site and read the article. While reading the article I caught a glimpse of a disturbing advertisement on the right site of the page. Since your article referenced issues relating to the integrity of online poker, and you mentioned Ultimate Bet and Absolute Poker by name, I was taken aback that you have ads placed for these sites.

While I laud your efforts to educate players and encourage them to be vigilant and proactive regarding their account balances, I'm disappointed that you have placed ads with sites known to have been seriously compromised in the recent past by super user cheating. Furthermore, your article could potentially create new victims by its treatment of Absolute Poker and Ultimate Bet (see relevant comments from your article below). Your attempt to mitigate these scandals seems awkward and a potential conflict of interest.

Thank you,

Jeffrey


"Already stunned by the AbsolutePoker "superuser" scandal revealed last year which caused the loss of perhaps millions of dollars to players, online poker players have quickened their response to spread the news of player problems -- even if they do not entirely stop playing at the very rooms accused of dubious practices. The Absolute scandal, which involved fraud by an apparent site owner, is rather in the past for many, and AbsolutePoker and UltimateBet are launching their new & improved melded poker room brand under the new name Cereus.

But it must be remembered that AbsolutePoker did quite a bit of repaying of money to affected players, and the losses were not something planned by the organization. Certainly not written into the Terms & Conditions of play"

That's not exactly unethical though is it? If the IRS/JD are asking for that info, then Party are being obliged legally to provide it surely? Your supposition that it's tantamount to blackmail is just that, supposition.

You know, it's funny, I was talking to someone from Costa Rica a few weeks back (not connected with AP/UB, but it's a small world down there), and his line seemed to be that AP had gone over and above what would be deemed reasonable by repaying and adding interest to those players cheated of their funds. You seem to have a similar line.

And yet any reasonable person would think this was the LEAST they could do, not something they should be lauded for.

Are you based in Costa Rica too?

In the US you could pursue a class action lawsuit and go after them for all the accounts they wiped out, which would be worth pursuing. My guess is your talking a few 100 thousand. Which is a typical lawsuit against banks brokerage companies and insurance companies for over charging on samle fees.

Hmmm, that sounds like a gratuitous swipe at Costa Rica..... which coming from a Scotsman, opens up a new can of haggis.



A Scotsman walks into the Hotel Del Rey and is scoping out the fifty or so hookers lining the walls in the bar. He finally asks one the going price for oral sex. She tells him twenty-five per inch. He says:

A. That great because I got fifty colones in my pocket,
B. That much ? Can I borrow a knife ? I'll be right back, or
C. Okay, can you pay me in advance ?

Party is not a US company, it could have told Justice to get a subpoena, then try and serve them with it. There is NO obligation otherwise to tell them squat about customers/players/affiliates, and the subpoena possibly could have been quashed under UK pricvacy laws. However, as a horse-trading point, Party may have decided to cough up EX-customer information, damn the privacy issues.

The 'supposition" as you put it is soundly based upon past practices of the DOJ, imcluding their announced policy at the press conference announcing the NetTeller founders' arrests and the terms of numerous similar deals struck in the past.

believe it or not, people in the US on occasion get demands from the Federal Government for money in lieu of prosecution. Every tax attorney also has seen that sort of demand, even when (gasp) the government position is unjustified and plain wrong. Here, the numbers are just bigger and third parties will be ratted out, if this referenced information is accurate.

Nothing of the sort as you're well aware, but thanks for the sterotypical 'joke' in response. Probably better if it had been funny.

bump

no

Wow, glad I saw this. I moved temporarily to the US, and withdrew my Pacific Poker account, but left just $221 there so I'd have something to play with when I got back if I wasn't able to make a real deposit right away.

I get back tomorrow, and it's been just under 8 months. I suppose I will have been charged $22 for July and $20 for August, and thus I now expect to only see $180 or so there. I had a different computer here and never downloaded Pacific Poker to it. $42 is no big deal like yours was, but I will certainly email them and I would expect the same refund.

unreal

Thanks OP for posting this.

So they win interest with our deposits, take an average higher rake, and take 10% on dormant accounts.

Greedy 888.com

WHAT A SCAM.. 10% .. what a ripoff