Zelle is all I use on my trades here. Have never had a single problem in over 40+ trades. Only thing I would advise you on is to throughly review someones trading history here if they demand you send 1st. I never send 1st anymore so I will never be scammed. Thats why it is important to post in the trade thread everytime you do a trade, so that your reputation allows you to always receive first.

And there are no fees with Zelle.

Serial scammers work the thread all the time. They look out for the noobs and the naive, in particular. They're good at tricking people by saying anything they think that the selected mark will want to hear in order to trust them and send money to them. Impersonation of reputable traders is an often used method.

Sit at an empty table and get the potential trader to show that they have the money to transfer. Chat a little at the table. If they say their chat is barred, or that they are playing, they are quite likely to be impersonating a non-chatting player. If they try to hurry you along with the transaction, they are likely to be a scammer.

Keep all copies of PMs, Skype, e-mail, etc. If you are scammed, report it to the relevant site or financial institution and provide the evidence. The site may not ban the scammer on your say-so, only, (as it is your own responsibility not to give away your money to internet strangers), but they don't want thieves as customers, bringing their name into disrepute, so it's quite likely that if others also report theft they will act at some point.

As Chenoa1964 said, do your homework by searching their SNs and username on TwoPlusTwo, and by using Google. Try to deal only with others who have received confirmations of previous successful trades. Send only in amounts which you are prepared to lose if something does go wrong.

Good luck.

Thank you guys.

I have done many trades in the past just never used Zelle and wanted to make sure there wasn't any surprises if I decided to trade. I'm not sure how many trades I have in p2p thread, I think at least 15 and I was never scammed. Granted this was years ago. Back then I only sent first to super-reputable traders who were always around.

I was considering posting a trade but for some reason the thread looks like this when i try to get to the last page. It only turns white if I hit the last page option. Weird




*sorry about the double post

I've had something similar, occasionally, recently. All white basic text. I put it down to the internets being on their last legs before the big loss of everything we regarded as the norm. Not so much blocked pipes as leaking sewers.

Cliff notes TLDR: Brandon use to post in the other thread, but stopped after I wrote this and is now trying to get people to send first even though he clearly still owes us over $2,000 US Dollars.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...postcount=7824

Probably cause I have dozens of successful trades w/ one issue with you guys and you guys continue to harass me. Now it's over 2k I owe you? Just making up numbers now? I'm not paying because I had a legitimate reason to leave. So you can just stop. Look anywhere, if you quit poker, you don't have to pay back makeup. I literally had obligations WAY more important than poker at the time. Wasting your energy.

Whatever your arrangement was with Brandon is between you two, and it DOES NOT make him a scammer or someone not to be trusted. Staking agreements are very complex things and we now know your POV but we don't really know his.

I have now done 2 trades with Brandon and he has sent 1st, but I would not hesitate to send 1st if I had less of an established track record. He has been responsive and sent quickly. Whatever arrangement you had is between you and him, and doesn't mean he is not to be trusted in general

Brandon, I would say you are greatly misguided if you do not have to pay back MU.

Depending on your deal, if you quit and were not dropped, you should certainly come to a deal (which seems you did) to repay a % of your MU.. And if you are playing again and profiting, you should be making payments towards this agreement.

So he scammed his stakers, but he hasn't scammed you in the 2 trades you have done with him. This makes him someone to be trusted and how dare they tarnish his reputation here. Solid logic here.

1) It has been 2k$ and has been for the longest period of time https://gyazo.com/1ab0ef70451a3f86ae2261bae67f4334

This was from over a year ago since I first reported you:
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...postcount=4670

This was the last amount that you ended up paying. It's absolutely insane to me that you are saying that I am making up numbers like I came up with some random number that I thought was fitting for payment.

2) You didn't quit poker, you are still playing and have been playing poker beforehand. IF you quit poker entirely what you are saying is indeed correct, but something I would consider towards the impolite side but acceptable that you wouldn't have to pay the make up anymore and I would have left you alone if you did quit forever.

You clearly did not quit and are still playing, doing trades and playing on a regular basis.

Homestar: Honestly, what are you talking about? He is literally saying that because he quit poker he no longer owes us our $2,000 US Dollars. He CLEARLY did not quit poker if not he wouldn't make TWO trades with you.

Dalsue214, mcc3504: Thank you, I couldn't agree more.

If TurnerBPoker was to quit poker forever, not make trades etc. I will not bother saying it how it is although I would not be happy to retrieve the money back - it is something I can accept. However, I find it absolutely ridiculous that he is getting trades and portraying himself as not a scammer.

I hate to say this because really, I'm not sure if I am tainting the image of LFGStaking and making us look bad here as it sounds somewhat egotistical to hire an arbitrator. Honestly this is just such a unique situation as there has been other people who scammed, just ignore everything and disappear as a scammer. For TurnerBPoker, this is the first time I've ever had an experience as a backer where they have clearly scammed and claim that they are not a scammer and play the victim role.

I'm up for an reputable arbitrator to help settle the situation. If I am wrong I will pay $1,000 out of pocket for both the arbitrator + cost to TurnerBPoker for "harassment", if I am right I feel it is right that TurnerBPoker pays his full amount of $2,000 (which I would still pay a share of say 100$/hour for the arbitrators time).

I truly, wholeheartedly believe TurnerBPoker has scammed us here and I don't believe he should be able to continue to make trades and potentially scam other members on twoplustwo.

LFGStaking

First off, there is a big difference between paying back make up and paying back what was lost from playing cash games which he wasn’t supposed to play on the stake. I don’t see how anyone can see this differently. Pretty clear the staking group should be paid back the full 2k. Unless I miss read something. The money owed is from Brandon playing cash games off stake and losing the roll which was meant for Mtt not cash games.

Brandon, saying you quit poker as the reason you do not have to pay back the money you agreed you would pay back while you are still playing poker right now is absurd.
Quit does not mean quitting for a few weeks or months. Quitting is not playing at all
You did make some payments which tells me you know you owe the money and you also said you prefer to stick to the original agreement agreement when you won a tournament confirming again that you agreed to pay back this money.
Sorry, you are flat out wrong here.

That's because your Zelle didn't immediately come through. I've done over $2K in trades in the last day and no one else had an issue getting their money. Not to mention I gave you an extra $25 out of my own pocket due to the delay as a friendly gesture.

The Zelle went through last night at 9:40pm, but for the sake of giving you the benefit of the doubt lets say it went through this morning at 8am. That's still 8 hours, which in my opinion, is way too long to receive funds. You made a trade with another member this morning before taking care of our transaction and clearly dodged my PMs.
On top of those things, your communication on when I'd get the funds was little to none and I saw that you were cruising around the forums this morning. While I appreciate the $25, I still do not recommend.
I've also made quite a few trades on here with multiple members and none of them have been this difficult to work with.

Just because you sent it at 9:40 last night doesn't mean I auto-receive it at 9:40. Yes in most cases Zelle comes immediately through, but I've definitely had instances where it took up to 48+ hours. Either way you got your money (just as everyone else I've done transactions with here has) and I've got mine.

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I’ve had zelle payments take days for the recipient to have it in their account. Weekend might be a factor for some banks.

if things are time sensitive then you can ask the other person for a screenshot of the transfer confirmation on their end, or maybe they could forward the confirmation email. not foolproof, since it can be faked or whatever, but might add a bit more peace of mind

Thanks for chiming in. At least now he will know moving forward that Zelle payments don't always hit instantly. And maybe refrain from saying that he woudn't recommend the trader or saying he is a scam if they don't receive the funds immediately.

Saying because he had a dispute with his backer does not mean he's a scammer. I had no idea what they're logic is, I am just backing up someone I've had no issues with. What happened is between them. The second he scams someone in the transfer thread, nail him to the wall.

When you hit transfer limits, it can take a few days for your transfer to be send to the recipient. You can click on it in your Zelle history and it will tell you when it will arrive


See above why it likely took so long. I've sent before, and nothing you see leads you to believe it won't be instant, but can take days if you hit your limit. It likely was not malicious, but I do agree communication is key and he should've done a better job of keeping in touch

To be fair, I didn't realize the full extent of you are saying happened when I wrote my post. I don't view Brandon is a scammer, but it definitely does seem like he is dodging the $2k he owes you. I would agree it's morally wrong, though. He seems like a nice guy, and I don't think he is being malicious in doing what he's doing. I think perhaps he doesn't understand what's right in this situation, if everything you are saying is correct. Which honestly, I don't know you and I barely know him so I should not have gotten involved in the first place. My apologies on that.

Hey Homestar,

I understand your point, but I have to disagree here because as you wrote below you wrote that he is dodging me for $2,000 US dollars. He hasn't talked to me outside of here in the 2p2 thread, left the group chat or PM me to rectify the situation in anyway whatsoever.

Now, when a situation like this is out in the open, I see him trading I can't see why I would put the particular future traders in line to have a chance to get scammed?

After reading this, wouldn't you want to know this information before hand before deciding to send first? How safe would YOU feel if you had to send first knowing this possible history? I definitely wouldn't want to send first as in my opinion I definitely think its higher then a 10% chance he runs away with the money.

Whether or not I get my $2,000 US dollars that's another story, and I definitely would like to get paid back for this. The amount of time I've spent on this has easily been a massive -EV in terms of opportunity cost of where I could have exhausted my energy into, or simply made just by playing at the tables.

However, the thought that haunts me is that TurnerBPoker is attempting to make people send first, and it is in my belief that he has some capability of scamming here and if I didn't make it consistently known throughout the forums he could scam someone for 300-500$, where that money may mean significantly much more to them.

I basically agree with everything you said. I would 100% want to know before trading with him, and it would definitely make me hesitate to send first.

Honestly, I am sorry to hear what happened to you and I hope Brandon does the right thing here and agrees to work on a payment plan with you. It certainly sounds as if that would be the right thing to doi.

Honestly, if he is going to continue to play poker seriously, his reputation is worth far more than $2000.

Newb question here, how do you get money out of Pokerstars or Skrill?

I'm american currently living in Thailand.

To deposit to Pokerstars: I deposit Bitcoin to Skrill and then Skrill to Pokerstars.

But with Skrill, I can't withdrawal the cash out to Bitcoin.
The only other option it looks like is out to a Thai bank with high fees. I'm not even sure if it would work? Does that work? (I have Bankkok Bank if it matters)

How do you guys get money out of Pokerstars / Skrill?

You got any friends who can take skrill/stars and send you neteller/wire whatever you can receive? You can post in the trading thread here but its pretty dangerous with alot of scammers. Thats your only option really gl.

It’s been 24 hours since I sent zelle to BBB624 and he has yet to send me acr (frotl). I was moving quickly last night and didn’t do proper research so feel pretty dumb personally but FYI to all I guess. He was responsive in PMs (responding in 1 minute multiple times) I sent zelle within 30 seconds of getting info and he had since ghosted my PMs completely as well as obviously not sent funds. It was for $275 so not astronomical but I’m not optimistic and I’d at least put it out there to the rest as a warning. No excuse for lack of communication at the very least.

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