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http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/15...tspend-984233/

ya they have a webpage, it is just like a bank account webpage other than u cant make bank wires out but u can still recieve bank wires

Village Grinder: IMO here are your best options (in order of preference).

1) Sell to someone you know or trust or in your area. For example I see you are from the suburbs of Chicago. So am I. Do you have contacts at the "charity" game circuit around here? Or the regs at the Indiana boats? I can get you in contact with some people maybe. A face to face transfer is the safest at a public location...providing you are trying to unload a large bankroll, and it's 100% legitimate funds.

2) Sell to a reputable member on here, but pick method wisely. Note there can be some difficulties with GDMP and Netspend if you are moving a lot of funds, or receiving MANY small transfers from all over the country. Sometimes they will freeze your card if this raises red flags. Bank transfers/wires are always safe, but keep the amount below 5-7K because deposits into your bank account from anywhere from 7-10K and above can red flag for investigation. Or have someone WU or MG funds to you. You can pick up the funds at an agent immediately.

3) Take GDMP or netspend as the next alternitive.

4) Be careful with online gift cards. Amazon seems to be mostly safe. Walmart is OK, just be sure to check what type of payment the sender is using to buy the GC. Never take paypal.

If you are unsure of a potential trade partner, there are many steps you can take to investigate the person. In fact, if you ask nicely, a lot of people with a lot of experience will help you investigate the trading history of a potential trading partner. If you are transferring a HUGE amount, you can consider getting an escrow involved.

There were allegations brought forth against 369tbags in the p2p xfer chat thread from D.S. that i believe to be unnecessarily harmful to 369tbags:
Not so say that DS's claims are unfounded, only that there is more to the story; based on a conversation between myself and 369tbags along with my personal experience dealing with him, I believe he was likely impersonated on each of the forums where the name, 369tbags, was used and banned.

I am providing a brief transcript of a recent aim conversation between 369tbags and myself:

369tbags: you there?
me: hey man
me: yes
me: am here
369tbags: sorry i've been gone the past 2 days
369tbags: i had to go to my girlfriend's house
me: ok
me: I was a bit worried on tuesday
me: my mate hadn't received the funds
369tbags: what's the deal with the guy multi-accounting
me: they were saying were accused of multi accounting at stars
me: a long time ago
me: saying *you were
me: they said you were banned from other forums etc
me: they got worked up for me
me: made me a bit worried
me: and posted about the situation
369tbags: i wasn't
369tbags: wait what?
me: I did not share any personal information of yours
me: i just documented the terms of our arrangement on the thread
me: and that my friend had not received the funds
me: i ended up clearing you after he received the funds
me: are you looking at the thread?
me: mate?
me: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...6/index28.html
369tbags: ok that's not me
369tbags: that was someone impersonating me
369tbags: because i'm a high stakes hu sng reg
369tbags: scammers that tried to pretend to be me
me: ok
me: I believe you
me: i have no reason not to
me: you fulfilled your end of the arrangement
369tbags: i'm not sure what the situation is with you as it stands
369tbags: did my transfer to your guy go thru
me: yes
me: they received it
me: I do not believe your name has been (properly) cleared on the forum however
369tbags: yeah i don't appreciate all this **** being associated with my name
369tbags: makes me look bad
......
369tbags: i have no idea who flipthatchip is
369tbags: btw


Also I would like to note that I received a PM from Mike Haven, in which he stated that 369tbags' acct was found to be in good order at Cake.

For the record, I will state, I have no reason to believe that 369tbags has/had any intentions of scamming anyone. In fact, from my experience, I have plenty of reasons to believe that he is indeed legitimate.

However, this does not mean that the way he conducted this trade was good.

In the future, he needs to remain available until all parties have satisfied their side of the arrangement.

If communication had been present, we never would have had an issue.

I will continue to conduct future trades with him, because I believe he has learned his lesson from this last one.

hey never done a trade before but im moving back home from abroad so want to get funds from partypoker account to lock on merge ideally. what is the best way to go about this? thanks for the feedback. ideally without getting home then buying funds off someone on merge. as that would be a hassle and cost me more in currency conversion etc. how likely is it to find a trade of party to there? glanced at the transfers thread didnt seem there is much money traffic moving that way.

Why not use an ewallet?

i didn't fund it originally with an ewallet so getting an ewallet sorted out now for the last week im out here before im back stateside would be intense. clearly i should of planned this out better :P

Quick question for everyone. If I am getting BoA and giving site money, what are my concerns? I assume they cant swap money not in my account. So my only concern is that the money in their account wasn't a bad/fake deposit?

Quick question for everyone. If I am getting BoA and giving site money, what are my concerns? I assume they cant swap money not in my account. So my only concern is that the money in their account wasn't a bad/fake deposit?

In the couple of years that I've been helping out here I have seen no actual bank transfer that was fraudulent or created with a fake name/ID/funding method.

A scammer doing that is risking badges on his doorstep not just poker sites or 2+2 banning your account.

This makes the bank transfer as the first step in any trade a safe way to go.

Is there a way someone can scam you with Amazon?

In this case accepting Amazon for Carbon/etc money. I would think that once you enter the code in your Amazon account and see the money in your account it's a done deal. Thus making Amazon gift cards a very safe way to trade (eg, no real names/bank account info shared ).

^^ If you're concerned with ANY of that then you shouldn't trade with that person. Honestly, there is no full-proof way to trade and nothing should be claimed as such.

Thinking that way also makes people skip steps and just think they are safe because Amazon or w/e is going to protect them.

The never take paypal thing is a perfect example. If you are trading with someone reputable you can take their word, let alone PP or anything else. It's similar to the gun argument (guns don't kill people, people kill people). IMO a lot more focus could be on who you are trading with, rather than trying to close any hole someone might be able to penetrate to scam you.

Anybody know if your bank routing # is required for trade. I have made several trades involving transfers being made to my bank acc and never needed routing # (incl ppl who do not have wf account).

Its coming from Thailand so the extra info might be needed. Just wondering if any others have any info on this. thx

Hey Airborne-Thahnks a TON for this info. Exetremlely helpful!

No I don't really have any local connections. none of my friends play online anymore, at least seriously. and I've only played live like 3-4times in my entire life so no connections there either.

Question about green dot. Is it illegal to be receiving pay ments from others like that. Just wondering why they would freeze ur acct for those reasons.

yeah I'm not looking to move anything like 10k or anything. My dillemma is that now i'm only able to get off like 2500 every 6-8 weeks. That just kinda makes me not wanna grind. Cause what happens is i'll request a check, be waiting for it, bink something, and then have like 3-4k in my acct and not be motivated to play. Because basically i'll just be stock piling money that i can't access. So this is why i want this second option available to me.

I haven't really followed the trading forum super closely but it seems like its pretty rare to find ppl looking to get more than 500 bucks or so. So that's why i've never really pursued this option too much. I'd love to be able to move off like 2500-3k every so often, in addition to what i can get off using the cashier method, and then I'd be pretty satisfied.

Thanks again for the info, and certainly, if you know someone locally thats looking to get a decent chunk on to Lock, I'd be grateful for your assistance in connecting us.

Thanks again!

Amazon may or may not protect us. Perhaps an Amazon gift code which was sent to you first and deposited into your account can be undone as Paypal can. Or perhaps not. I don't think either of us know which is why I posed the question I did. Anyway, I agree that taking precautions is always a good idea.

^^ Yea, I realized after the fact that my post kind of came off like it was pointed at you and was pretty blunt. I didn't mean that, I have just been wanting to generally address the subject as I think people have been putting too much stock, and thought, into "what if's" and every minute detail on how to technically not be able to be scammed, when, from what I've seen over the years, it's much better to just be able to trade with a reputable person or one that you know like a friend or w/e.

There's just too much risk in trading with brand new, low post n00bs, especially if people don't put in the research necessary to validate them. I fully understand people wanting a full-proof way to trade so they don't have to do any of that as it will also open up their options and they will be able to trade with basically anyone, but there really is no such thing so the emphasis should be put on the former.

Can I move money from my BCP account to my roomates minted account in the p2p thread? I have a documented minted acconut in previous trades, but wanted to move some money for him to minted, just wanted to see if this was allowed before I initiated any trades, I of course would include all my sn's also.

If we assume the Carbon/USD exchange rate = ~.90, and that Cake/USD = .75 (at least), then the Cake/Carbon exchange rate would be ~.83. At this rate, 1415 Cake should fetch about 1,179 (not 1,000). Conversely, 1000 Carbon should go for about 1,200. This trade is an anomaly, right?

I ask because I'm considering trading Cake (sn LikesHorsies) for Merge (no account here yet) in the future.

Every situation is different. The going rate is whatever you get. I just got .85 for cake money and it was offered .9 but i had asked .8 in PM so we settled in PM.

It is not illegal to be receiving funds via a GDMP that someone else legally obtains and then sends you the code in exchange for online poker funds. Is it technically against the terms of service for Green Dot? That is a completely different question, and I don't have the answer to because I've never felt compelled to read the multiple small-print pages of Green Dot's TOS policy, but I wouldn't be surprised if they put in a line or two about how using their service for any illegal activity is not allowed. So is online poker illegal? Depends on who you ask. Generally, we consider merely the act of playing poker not illegal because there are no specific codes or statues expressly criminalizing it, (despite that the DOJ and certain federal prosecutors would point to the Wire Act), but there have been no recent relevant cases involving players being arrested for simply playing poker (tax evasion and money laundering are completely different in this context).

So Cliffs Notes about Netspend, GDMP, and other such services: you can feel relatively safe using them as payment methods between yourself and other credible 2+2 users as long as you follow these simple rules (1) Do your homework first on your perspective trading partner. (2) Keep dollar amounts low, if you are trading more than 1K or more, consider another safer option like a bank wire (3) Do not do excessively multiple small transactions with a ton of different random people. There's been stories of green dot freezing people's accounts for receiving dozens of small transactions in a small time window. Green Dot does not want you to use their service as a merchant payment method, they will investigate you if they see you doing dozens of small transactions over and over again.

You certainly will be able to find credible users on these forums willing to do large transactions with you. Just be prepared to pay 5-15% vig if you are the seller of funds. It's just a reality of today's online poker world. If you don't wait to pay any vig, you will just have to cash out through the poker site directly, despite the many weeks many skins are taking to process checks.

PM me for potential contacts in our area for face-to-face trades. But like I said, most everyone I know would expect a deep vig discount....

nvm

Im from around chicago area too , i sent a pm. looking to sell some cake face to face possibly.

Made a p2p transfer on stars about 1,5 hours ago. Was $1k to a pretty new account that havent played much/any on the account. Basically got an email instantly asking me if I wanted to make this transfer. That they are asking because it's a big transfer. I said I wanted to do the transfer but the money hasnt cleared and I havent received any further emails.

I have had my account since 2008 and have never done anything fishy so I don't get why it's taking so long time.

Is this standard or should I be worried something's up?

I've been in touch with Glennis via PM.

He is transfering Pokerstars $$$ to one of his horses (not 2+2) and was questioning the transfer delay by Stars.

His horse has a week-old PS account with recently changed personal details so it likely means Stars is looking closely at the accounts before this transfer will be processed.

RW

Yea I just got a little worried when the money didnt show up and they didnt respond but as RW said its probably standard for new accounts. They cleared it eventually, thanks for helping out