Over 75k$ confiscated by GGPoker in recent SpinGold shady ban wave
06-29-2020
, 04:26 PM
Hi there,
My nickname on the tables is MonkeyBausss and I have been actively playing the highest stakes Spins available for many years. I currently run a big Spin N Go stable as well.
I write this message in the name of my stable Nemesis Backing and in the name of those who got permanently banned on GG, got their funds taken away from them, and weren't paid rakeback from promotions such as Leaderboards, Challenges, Fish Buffet.
I'll lay out the facts objectively and later add a personal opinion.
On 14th June, Sunday right before the weekly Leaderboard ends, many carefully picked Spin Gold players received a similar message from GG.
It's just an official message stating your account is under investigation because of potentially using 3rd Party Tools or AI while in game.
We had around 10 staked players on the site and the 4 players who belonged to Nemesis Backing and got banned, were the ones who:
A) Had shipped a x100 multiplier in recent days (up to 5). I'm completely certain 3 out of these 4 players shipped this, and almost certain that the 4th player did as well
B) Had over 10k in bankroll on the site
C) Had a good position on the leaderboard
The remaining approx 6 players didn't fulfill the above conditions. Let's just say that if you do some combinatorics math, the odds of exactly these 4 players who fulfill the above conditions being guilty to be using AI or 3rd Party tools, while all the other 6 aren't, are rather low.
On 26th June the players received the following email stating that the investigation had concluded.
Our players were taken away of approximately 45k$ without GG conducting a proper formal and professional investigation. I refer to things such as recording oneself when playing from different angles and some other measures that are being taken by other sites to treat players fairly.
There are other cases as well, not only our staking group. GG has banned many winning Spin players and taken the account balances without conducting a proper investigation. The total amount GG has confiscated is at a minimum of 75k$ that I know of, easily, much much more.
Now my short personal opinion.
I have played on the site myself and tested the field of SpinGold as research in order to estimate profitability. I played around 2k spins there, and also played some cash games.
Players are considerably bad. The players whom I stake are making big mistakes as well (myself included, whatever, but not that much). Everyone was incredibly far from playing a GTO oriented game or a gamestyle that is aided by some form of AI or 3rd Party tools.
If someone should have been banned, that should be me in the first place. I was not only playing spins but also cash games at 200/400 against only regs following a much more accurate GTO gamestyle than the Spin regulars who got banned.
https://gyazo.com/d50f89fb6a267ba9c622f6d8f436b5e8
In the past I was frozen on Stars for two weeks. This happened a little more than a year ago. I was being under investigation because of possible 3rd Party Software. I was asked to record myself and I was given the chance to prove my legitimacy. I followed the entire process and my account and balance were soon restored. Any site who takes their Integrity Policy seriously should at minimum do this.
I'd like to ask GG's Integrity Team to utilize a fair methodology in order to asess delicate issues such as confiscating funds. This includes giving all the players on this post a chance to prove their innocence and return their rightful money.
PD: On the next post below, you can see attached all the testimonials including personal stories and experience with GG.
Sincerely,
MonkeyBausss
My nickname on the tables is MonkeyBausss and I have been actively playing the highest stakes Spins available for many years. I currently run a big Spin N Go stable as well.
I write this message in the name of my stable Nemesis Backing and in the name of those who got permanently banned on GG, got their funds taken away from them, and weren't paid rakeback from promotions such as Leaderboards, Challenges, Fish Buffet.
I'll lay out the facts objectively and later add a personal opinion.
On 14th June, Sunday right before the weekly Leaderboard ends, many carefully picked Spin Gold players received a similar message from GG.
It's just an official message stating your account is under investigation because of potentially using 3rd Party Tools or AI while in game.
We had around 10 staked players on the site and the 4 players who belonged to Nemesis Backing and got banned, were the ones who:
A) Had shipped a x100 multiplier in recent days (up to 5). I'm completely certain 3 out of these 4 players shipped this, and almost certain that the 4th player did as well
B) Had over 10k in bankroll on the site
C) Had a good position on the leaderboard
The remaining approx 6 players didn't fulfill the above conditions. Let's just say that if you do some combinatorics math, the odds of exactly these 4 players who fulfill the above conditions being guilty to be using AI or 3rd Party tools, while all the other 6 aren't, are rather low.
On 26th June the players received the following email stating that the investigation had concluded.
Our players were taken away of approximately 45k$ without GG conducting a proper formal and professional investigation. I refer to things such as recording oneself when playing from different angles and some other measures that are being taken by other sites to treat players fairly.
There are other cases as well, not only our staking group. GG has banned many winning Spin players and taken the account balances without conducting a proper investigation. The total amount GG has confiscated is at a minimum of 75k$ that I know of, easily, much much more.
Now my short personal opinion.
I have played on the site myself and tested the field of SpinGold as research in order to estimate profitability. I played around 2k spins there, and also played some cash games.
Players are considerably bad. The players whom I stake are making big mistakes as well (myself included, whatever, but not that much). Everyone was incredibly far from playing a GTO oriented game or a gamestyle that is aided by some form of AI or 3rd Party tools.
If someone should have been banned, that should be me in the first place. I was not only playing spins but also cash games at 200/400 against only regs following a much more accurate GTO gamestyle than the Spin regulars who got banned.
https://gyazo.com/d50f89fb6a267ba9c622f6d8f436b5e8
In the past I was frozen on Stars for two weeks. This happened a little more than a year ago. I was being under investigation because of possible 3rd Party Software. I was asked to record myself and I was given the chance to prove my legitimacy. I followed the entire process and my account and balance were soon restored. Any site who takes their Integrity Policy seriously should at minimum do this.
I'd like to ask GG's Integrity Team to utilize a fair methodology in order to asess delicate issues such as confiscating funds. This includes giving all the players on this post a chance to prove their innocence and return their rightful money.
PD: On the next post below, you can see attached all the testimonials including personal stories and experience with GG.
Sincerely,
MonkeyBausss
06-29-2020
, 04:37 PM
This is a compilation of testimonials. I will simply post them as they were written originally without changing a thing.
Testimonial 1
Hello to everyone reading this. My name is Juan Antonio García Reverte, I am an Spin&Go player, and I am an spaniard. I have been playing poker for years without any trouble whatsoever, mostly in Pokerstars.es under the nickname Estupendotio, lately in Winamax aswell under the nick SuperjuananW. I have been playing in other .com sites aswell but not as much. Most of my poker career I played under the SpinLegends flag until it's shut down and proudly I can say I do the same under the NemesisBacking stable. Under they support I began to play for GGPoker under the nickname ShenFeng. I was playing 20$ games succeeding on the matter having nice position in the weekly rankings until my last week before the ban, where I got banned unfairly and removed from the leaderboard without any previous warn, here is where the nightmare began. I was ahead with 265.000 points at the moment of the ban, on late sunday two weeks ago with a reward on top of 3.400$ for the winner (which I would win if they didn’t take me from there).
Besides that, what can I say about my situation is this. I have read all the ToS and I never broke any rules. Never got any warn before (like the one that you receive in PS when you accidentally open the Equilab while the software is open). I play without any software because when I try to do it at 9 tables basically the software crashes out if I have something else open, even gives problems to have Google Chrome opened while playing. I barely use the Nash Equilibrium chart, which is anyways far from being illegal in the site. I don't have any energy or time to look t anything while playing in their laggy, slow site who is crashing frequently. The 14th of june I received this e-mail, I am curious that I did it at night of the end of the weekly race:
Since then I have been sending all my verification documents and all my info to finally get banned the 26th of june with this e-mail:
All of them are similar to what they did to other players. Seems like not only studied anything on my case, but that they just began to ban the biggest winners in the site with an standard answer, all at the same time, with an standard e-mail all again. Maybe there is a net of players doing shitty scammy things, but is far from being fair for me to be accused of such an unspeakable things just because other did and got the same punishment without being properly investigated. The easiest investigation in the world would lead to my innocence.
I have thousands of hands downloaded from the site, that prove how far I am from being a Bot, having any external help, far from being GTO, etc. Come on, I was playing so many tables to fight for the weekly race that sometimes I even missed an action while playing. This is basically stupid, pure madness. So if they really REALLY want to ban me so badly from the poker site and confiscate my funds, they SHOULD prove that I am a cheater and I SHOULD have my chance of defending myself and prove my innocence. They basically took 10K that are important for me from my account, sending to me an standard e-mail without doing the proper study that must be done to see if someone is a close-to-perfect-GTO bot or sth like that. One thing is to banning people under suspicious behaviour until an investigation goes through (THAT IS FINE, I WANT A BOT-FREE SITE), but doing nothing as a proper investigation that easily would lead into my innocence and sending me an standard e-mail is way too much for me to handle it emotionally. I always try to behave in the most clean fair way and being sentenced to this punishment without doing anything and have my little success and bankroll removed it is far from being easy to digest.
If GG wants to be a great poker site, they have to fix this situation properly. If not, not only they will not be trustful as a site, the image of players like Negreanu or Bryn Kenney will become damaged forever, at least from my point of view. From telling all my friends to go and play there I went to tell them that this can happen. It is unreasonable and if someone in the working hyerarchy just was unfair with his own work, I am sure that I will do my best to reconvert this situation and trust them again if they change what is happening here.
I will send my hand history to anyone who wants to take a look on it. Anyone. For me this hurts, as a player, as a non-rich guy, as a poker enthusiast and as a human. How can someone become like Bryn Kenney or Negreanu if there is constantly hostility from the companies that sell us their dream that I try to slowly build? I am happy that someone can profit from providing a fair platform, but fairness must be apllied aswell in accusations and ethics towards winning players. As we say in Spain “es de sabios rectificar” (is of wise men to rectify), ad I would like to support with my rake and my word wise platforms that do a nice job.
Testimonial 2
Hi, I'm playing*on GGpoker (official skin) since 28.02.2020, so from beginning of spin and gold there. Was playing mostly this games, $20 and $50 stakes. Was putting more volume in March/April, but wasn't playing much in last weeks.*
*14.06.2020, on late evening. I got blocked*to investigate if I'm not breaking any rules. I was in the middle of GGmasters tournament, which I couldn't finish (I think my stack there was worth around $1000) and I was between 15th do 20th place in weekly spin and go leaderboard (my nickname disappeared*from it) on $20 games, which was worth around $300. Also I was a part of their fish buffet promo, not sure how much points I accumulated at that time though, but I think it was worth around $300 as well.*
*Later that they, they asked me for ID and proof of residence, which I sent immediately, although*I was asked about same documents few days before that, while withdrawing (they got accepted and withdraw was successful). Next day they asked for some more verification, which I did, and also asked about my another account on different skin.*
Then I waited, and thats what they wrote on 26.06.2020
"Dear Pjoter,
Following a thorough review of your account, we have determined that you have violated our Security & Ecology Agreement through use of one or more of the following: Artificial Intelligence, 3rd Party Programs, and Hand Charts. These actions are extremely damaging to our player ecology and warrant a harsh penalty. Specifically, your actions are in violation of provisions 6 'USE of ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE' and provision 7 'EXTERNAL ASSISTANCE PROGRAMS' of our Security & Ecology Agreement. As such, your account has permanently been banned from GGPoker Network and your balance will be confiscated. We would like to inform you that you have been banned from the Network. Should you choose to return to the Network, whether on a new or pre-existing account, we will have no choice but to lock these account and confiscate any funds held therein."
My account was locked for 12 days, I've sent every document that they asked me for, altough they never asked about anything related to my case (to check if I'm guilty) and they didn't give me any chance to prove my innocence.
I am definitely innocence of things that they accuse me for, although I'm not sure how can I prove this. (I think they should prove my crime, which they didn't). Together with me they banned few other players, which most of I didn't know before. As far as I know, all of this players are winning players on this poker room, and we all received*same copy/past*explanation.
Around $9500 of my balance there was confiscated. Adding value I lost because of being*blocked in the middle of game and other promos, Ilost around $11100 total + a lot of time right now looking for solution.
In my opinion, blocking me in the middle of tournament and at the end of leaderboard was either lack of competence from them* (if I end up clean they will loose $ to compensate me, although they could just freeze my withdrawals and block me from registering to new tournaments, while letting me finish this) or they just straight away knew that I will be banned, and this whole 12-day investigation was just completely fake, to make it look like they really checking something. I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't have any actual poker players in this security team, which could verify if player is cheater or not.
I expect them to give me back my money and clear my name. Or prove that I cheated.
Testimonial 3
Hello, I'm a long time spin&go grinder with most of my games on ps.com platform. I've played there since they were introduced, starting from 15$. In few years I reached 100$ on ps.com and play that currently. Never had any problem there despite having over 80k tournaments played.
I started playing on GGpoker (2Bet4win skin) on 15.04.2020 under NemesisBacking stable. I was playing 50$ spins. I started slowly, not really putting huge volume or winnings until 27.04.2020(They introduced weekly leaderboards that day). I scored top4 on the leaderboards twice during may and got 2 minor prizes for other weeks.
I decided to grind for top3 again in the second week of June(06.08-06.14). My account was blocked on 06.14 while playing 9 spin&gold tables(they were closed instantly) and 8 hours before the weekly leaderboard ended.
This is the message I've received: https://imgur.com/a/jT5IUMf
>>I HAVE NEVER RECEIVED ANY WARNING OF ANY KIND BEFORE THE BAN<<
Shortly after I was deleted from weekly leaderboards. On 50$ leaderboard alone, I saw around 6~ names disappearing, excluding mine, which NONE of them I would suspect of being a bot.
After that I've got this email: https://i.imgur.com/rASoasO.png
asking me to verify myself. Personally I think it's funny - You don't block players like that to ask them for documents. I've sent everything that was necessary nonetheless. 12 days passed, 06.26.20 I've got an email that I am using external assistance/AI, My account has permanently been banned from GGPoker network and ALL MY FUNDS WILL BE CONFISCATED.
This is the email: https://i.imgur.com/ewBCmLA.png
I was already in contact with other banned players, ALL of us got blocked at the same time(06.14) and got permanently banned at the same time(06.26). Emails were sent around the same time of the day too.
As far as I know GGpoker is also banning some affilates right now, including mine, so I have no luck to receive ANY money back. Overall, counting all the promotions, GGpoker "confiscated" 12-15k$ of my bankroll.
At last, I was NOT using any external help or AI. I'm long time regular with history on other sites, I'm far from GTO and I could prove it all in many ways. I did not use any "special charts" or software.
Testimonial 4
I am pontakasfish in Gg, i am reg spin , and i am in nemesis from last year. I never used any ilegal program, and yes, i have some chart in my wall. I see many pro guys with charts in his wall in youtube, twitter and i dont see that they are banned. The only thing for think that we are bot or something maybe is the preflop, but posflop is easy to see some leaks, and playing 8 tables is obv that i cant use nothing, many times fold good hands cause of timebank, so it is no sense that if play good preflop they ban people.
Testimonial 5
I was playing 50$ spins and gold loosing a lot on the tables, I lost all bankroll and I made a reload, they accepted the reload for sure. I was lucky and I won a x100, with that price I was winning money so I decided to stop playing. I was in a really good place in the weekly race. If I werent banned, I would win another 1k$ in the race. They wrote me asking for verificate my account, I sent all what they asked. But Im banned. They say that Im using an IA. My nickname was CharmanderJesus.
Testimonial 6
my nickname in GGpoker : THANK YOU I AM LUCKY
My story probably is completely different to all of them.
Since I haven't been playing poker for a while, nor i'm not a regular anymore.
I just got back to playing poker more regularly, and started with trying out GGPoker, spin&golds 3s-5s-10s by myself!!!! And after 1 month, i'm banned for no reason.
Account banned for AI usage......
I even have many mistakes and leaks while playing, since i've tryed to multitable 8-9-10 tables for the damn weekly leaderboards and gold challenges. And started loosing money.
Site is laggy, registering is super complicated and crashes......lost many buyins due to their bad servers on weekends which help to crash my small bankroll.....
Then reduced number tables and reviewed my game that week,started winning money...and got banned!!!
Also banned on sunday, after grinding whole week for the challenges, so suspicious right ?
So it's imposible i'm playing with AI or using a bot, or anything similar.
I'm still even slightly breakeven after fish buffet and rakeback in this small sample of spins this month ive played!!!!
I even had to lower to 6 tabling to play more focus and better without splashing more EV than necessary.
Once I started winning money, they just banned me and conficasted my only bankroll for poker I started......
And even I'm far from playing GTO, i got banned with no reason or explanation.
Nor prove of how I can be cheating the system.....
So make your conclusions, if GGpoker is legit or not. since they don't care or take into account, the truth of their acusations.
Since all my HH can prove easily, i'm not playing with AI or anything that gives me an advantage. If i would have been.
I wouldn't be stupid enough to send them a verification documents when they froozen my account also....And open a new account lol
Testimonial 7
I started playing 10$ spin$gold's on GGPoker at the beginning of May, using nickname: BDAE614. It's not a secret that it's hard to do a high $/h there if it wasn't for rakeback and especially weekly leaderboards, that’s why I was playing 8-10 tables most of the time. I played 6-8h everyday from Monday to Friday and 10-14 hours daily on weekends, because of 1,5x and 2x leaderboard multipliers. I was top5 at leaderboard 4 times.
I know it's quite some time spent playing, but it's by far easily achievable by a human.
I've never used any of these: "6 'USE of ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE' and provision 7 'EXTERNAL ASSISTANCE PROGRAMS" which I've been accused of.
On 14th of June, which also happened to be the last day of another leaderboard week, I suddenly got kicked out from my account and couldn't log back in. I had 10-tables opened at the time and 1350$ in bankroll. I also had roughly 1000$ in rb waiting to be released from the Fish buffet and was holding 2nd position in 10$ weekly s&g leaderboard worth 1550$.
To sum up, GGPoker confiscated my ~4000$, accusing me of things I've never done without presenting any evidence.
I did NOT receive any warning whatsoever prior to the ban.
I just got kicked out during the play, like they already knew I was guilty (otherwise they would let me finish the tournaments). The 2 week "investigation" just seems to be fake, since I've received exactly the same copy-paste messages as other banned people that I know of.
It looks like they didn't even look at individual cases, but instead just banned a group of winning players in order to “clean” the field from regulars.
If GGPoker didn’t want me to play on their site, they could’ve just asked me to withdraw my money and then block my account. Instead I got my money taken away from me without even giving me a chance to prove my innocence.
Up to that moment I was encouraging people to play on this site, but at the moment I am completely opposite and will tell my story to everyone asking about GGPoker.
Testimonial 8
I started the spin at GG Poker on February 28th. I've been living this for years. I have never used the tools with which I have been accused.
Not even the companies with more severe protection banned me (PS,Winamax). Not by chance, because I'm not cheating!
Before the weekly tournament closed, I was removed from the tournament leaderboard on Sunday, and I already know that was the final decision at the time. From then on the whole game.
Which goes out to remove winning players for false reasons. So I can only advise everyone to register only if you are a losing player. But if you are winning then beware!
Testimonial 1
Hello to everyone reading this. My name is Juan Antonio García Reverte, I am an Spin&Go player, and I am an spaniard. I have been playing poker for years without any trouble whatsoever, mostly in Pokerstars.es under the nickname Estupendotio, lately in Winamax aswell under the nick SuperjuananW. I have been playing in other .com sites aswell but not as much. Most of my poker career I played under the SpinLegends flag until it's shut down and proudly I can say I do the same under the NemesisBacking stable. Under they support I began to play for GGPoker under the nickname ShenFeng. I was playing 20$ games succeeding on the matter having nice position in the weekly rankings until my last week before the ban, where I got banned unfairly and removed from the leaderboard without any previous warn, here is where the nightmare began. I was ahead with 265.000 points at the moment of the ban, on late sunday two weeks ago with a reward on top of 3.400$ for the winner (which I would win if they didn’t take me from there).
Besides that, what can I say about my situation is this. I have read all the ToS and I never broke any rules. Never got any warn before (like the one that you receive in PS when you accidentally open the Equilab while the software is open). I play without any software because when I try to do it at 9 tables basically the software crashes out if I have something else open, even gives problems to have Google Chrome opened while playing. I barely use the Nash Equilibrium chart, which is anyways far from being illegal in the site. I don't have any energy or time to look t anything while playing in their laggy, slow site who is crashing frequently. The 14th of june I received this e-mail, I am curious that I did it at night of the end of the weekly race:
Since then I have been sending all my verification documents and all my info to finally get banned the 26th of june with this e-mail:
All of them are similar to what they did to other players. Seems like not only studied anything on my case, but that they just began to ban the biggest winners in the site with an standard answer, all at the same time, with an standard e-mail all again. Maybe there is a net of players doing shitty scammy things, but is far from being fair for me to be accused of such an unspeakable things just because other did and got the same punishment without being properly investigated. The easiest investigation in the world would lead to my innocence.
I have thousands of hands downloaded from the site, that prove how far I am from being a Bot, having any external help, far from being GTO, etc. Come on, I was playing so many tables to fight for the weekly race that sometimes I even missed an action while playing. This is basically stupid, pure madness. So if they really REALLY want to ban me so badly from the poker site and confiscate my funds, they SHOULD prove that I am a cheater and I SHOULD have my chance of defending myself and prove my innocence. They basically took 10K that are important for me from my account, sending to me an standard e-mail without doing the proper study that must be done to see if someone is a close-to-perfect-GTO bot or sth like that. One thing is to banning people under suspicious behaviour until an investigation goes through (THAT IS FINE, I WANT A BOT-FREE SITE), but doing nothing as a proper investigation that easily would lead into my innocence and sending me an standard e-mail is way too much for me to handle it emotionally. I always try to behave in the most clean fair way and being sentenced to this punishment without doing anything and have my little success and bankroll removed it is far from being easy to digest.
If GG wants to be a great poker site, they have to fix this situation properly. If not, not only they will not be trustful as a site, the image of players like Negreanu or Bryn Kenney will become damaged forever, at least from my point of view. From telling all my friends to go and play there I went to tell them that this can happen. It is unreasonable and if someone in the working hyerarchy just was unfair with his own work, I am sure that I will do my best to reconvert this situation and trust them again if they change what is happening here.
I will send my hand history to anyone who wants to take a look on it. Anyone. For me this hurts, as a player, as a non-rich guy, as a poker enthusiast and as a human. How can someone become like Bryn Kenney or Negreanu if there is constantly hostility from the companies that sell us their dream that I try to slowly build? I am happy that someone can profit from providing a fair platform, but fairness must be apllied aswell in accusations and ethics towards winning players. As we say in Spain “es de sabios rectificar” (is of wise men to rectify), ad I would like to support with my rake and my word wise platforms that do a nice job.
Testimonial 2
Hi, I'm playing*on GGpoker (official skin) since 28.02.2020, so from beginning of spin and gold there. Was playing mostly this games, $20 and $50 stakes. Was putting more volume in March/April, but wasn't playing much in last weeks.*
*14.06.2020, on late evening. I got blocked*to investigate if I'm not breaking any rules. I was in the middle of GGmasters tournament, which I couldn't finish (I think my stack there was worth around $1000) and I was between 15th do 20th place in weekly spin and go leaderboard (my nickname disappeared*from it) on $20 games, which was worth around $300. Also I was a part of their fish buffet promo, not sure how much points I accumulated at that time though, but I think it was worth around $300 as well.*
*Later that they, they asked me for ID and proof of residence, which I sent immediately, although*I was asked about same documents few days before that, while withdrawing (they got accepted and withdraw was successful). Next day they asked for some more verification, which I did, and also asked about my another account on different skin.*
Then I waited, and thats what they wrote on 26.06.2020
"Dear Pjoter,
Following a thorough review of your account, we have determined that you have violated our Security & Ecology Agreement through use of one or more of the following: Artificial Intelligence, 3rd Party Programs, and Hand Charts. These actions are extremely damaging to our player ecology and warrant a harsh penalty. Specifically, your actions are in violation of provisions 6 'USE of ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE' and provision 7 'EXTERNAL ASSISTANCE PROGRAMS' of our Security & Ecology Agreement. As such, your account has permanently been banned from GGPoker Network and your balance will be confiscated. We would like to inform you that you have been banned from the Network. Should you choose to return to the Network, whether on a new or pre-existing account, we will have no choice but to lock these account and confiscate any funds held therein."
My account was locked for 12 days, I've sent every document that they asked me for, altough they never asked about anything related to my case (to check if I'm guilty) and they didn't give me any chance to prove my innocence.
I am definitely innocence of things that they accuse me for, although I'm not sure how can I prove this. (I think they should prove my crime, which they didn't). Together with me they banned few other players, which most of I didn't know before. As far as I know, all of this players are winning players on this poker room, and we all received*same copy/past*explanation.
Around $9500 of my balance there was confiscated. Adding value I lost because of being*blocked in the middle of game and other promos, Ilost around $11100 total + a lot of time right now looking for solution.
In my opinion, blocking me in the middle of tournament and at the end of leaderboard was either lack of competence from them* (if I end up clean they will loose $ to compensate me, although they could just freeze my withdrawals and block me from registering to new tournaments, while letting me finish this) or they just straight away knew that I will be banned, and this whole 12-day investigation was just completely fake, to make it look like they really checking something. I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't have any actual poker players in this security team, which could verify if player is cheater or not.
I expect them to give me back my money and clear my name. Or prove that I cheated.
Testimonial 3
Hello, I'm a long time spin&go grinder with most of my games on ps.com platform. I've played there since they were introduced, starting from 15$. In few years I reached 100$ on ps.com and play that currently. Never had any problem there despite having over 80k tournaments played.
I started playing on GGpoker (2Bet4win skin) on 15.04.2020 under NemesisBacking stable. I was playing 50$ spins. I started slowly, not really putting huge volume or winnings until 27.04.2020(They introduced weekly leaderboards that day). I scored top4 on the leaderboards twice during may and got 2 minor prizes for other weeks.
I decided to grind for top3 again in the second week of June(06.08-06.14). My account was blocked on 06.14 while playing 9 spin&gold tables(they were closed instantly) and 8 hours before the weekly leaderboard ended.
This is the message I've received: https://imgur.com/a/jT5IUMf
>>I HAVE NEVER RECEIVED ANY WARNING OF ANY KIND BEFORE THE BAN<<
Shortly after I was deleted from weekly leaderboards. On 50$ leaderboard alone, I saw around 6~ names disappearing, excluding mine, which NONE of them I would suspect of being a bot.
After that I've got this email: https://i.imgur.com/rASoasO.png
asking me to verify myself. Personally I think it's funny - You don't block players like that to ask them for documents. I've sent everything that was necessary nonetheless. 12 days passed, 06.26.20 I've got an email that I am using external assistance/AI, My account has permanently been banned from GGPoker network and ALL MY FUNDS WILL BE CONFISCATED.
This is the email: https://i.imgur.com/ewBCmLA.png
I was already in contact with other banned players, ALL of us got blocked at the same time(06.14) and got permanently banned at the same time(06.26). Emails were sent around the same time of the day too.
As far as I know GGpoker is also banning some affilates right now, including mine, so I have no luck to receive ANY money back. Overall, counting all the promotions, GGpoker "confiscated" 12-15k$ of my bankroll.
At last, I was NOT using any external help or AI. I'm long time regular with history on other sites, I'm far from GTO and I could prove it all in many ways. I did not use any "special charts" or software.
Testimonial 4
I am pontakasfish in Gg, i am reg spin , and i am in nemesis from last year. I never used any ilegal program, and yes, i have some chart in my wall. I see many pro guys with charts in his wall in youtube, twitter and i dont see that they are banned. The only thing for think that we are bot or something maybe is the preflop, but posflop is easy to see some leaks, and playing 8 tables is obv that i cant use nothing, many times fold good hands cause of timebank, so it is no sense that if play good preflop they ban people.
Testimonial 5
I was playing 50$ spins and gold loosing a lot on the tables, I lost all bankroll and I made a reload, they accepted the reload for sure. I was lucky and I won a x100, with that price I was winning money so I decided to stop playing. I was in a really good place in the weekly race. If I werent banned, I would win another 1k$ in the race. They wrote me asking for verificate my account, I sent all what they asked. But Im banned. They say that Im using an IA. My nickname was CharmanderJesus.
Testimonial 6
my nickname in GGpoker : THANK YOU I AM LUCKY
My story probably is completely different to all of them.
Since I haven't been playing poker for a while, nor i'm not a regular anymore.
I just got back to playing poker more regularly, and started with trying out GGPoker, spin&golds 3s-5s-10s by myself!!!! And after 1 month, i'm banned for no reason.
Account banned for AI usage......
I even have many mistakes and leaks while playing, since i've tryed to multitable 8-9-10 tables for the damn weekly leaderboards and gold challenges. And started loosing money.
Site is laggy, registering is super complicated and crashes......lost many buyins due to their bad servers on weekends which help to crash my small bankroll.....
Then reduced number tables and reviewed my game that week,started winning money...and got banned!!!
Also banned on sunday, after grinding whole week for the challenges, so suspicious right ?
So it's imposible i'm playing with AI or using a bot, or anything similar.
I'm still even slightly breakeven after fish buffet and rakeback in this small sample of spins this month ive played!!!!
I even had to lower to 6 tabling to play more focus and better without splashing more EV than necessary.
Once I started winning money, they just banned me and conficasted my only bankroll for poker I started......
And even I'm far from playing GTO, i got banned with no reason or explanation.
Nor prove of how I can be cheating the system.....
So make your conclusions, if GGpoker is legit or not. since they don't care or take into account, the truth of their acusations.
Since all my HH can prove easily, i'm not playing with AI or anything that gives me an advantage. If i would have been.
I wouldn't be stupid enough to send them a verification documents when they froozen my account also....And open a new account lol
Testimonial 7
I started playing 10$ spin$gold's on GGPoker at the beginning of May, using nickname: BDAE614. It's not a secret that it's hard to do a high $/h there if it wasn't for rakeback and especially weekly leaderboards, that’s why I was playing 8-10 tables most of the time. I played 6-8h everyday from Monday to Friday and 10-14 hours daily on weekends, because of 1,5x and 2x leaderboard multipliers. I was top5 at leaderboard 4 times.
I know it's quite some time spent playing, but it's by far easily achievable by a human.
I've never used any of these: "6 'USE of ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE' and provision 7 'EXTERNAL ASSISTANCE PROGRAMS" which I've been accused of.
On 14th of June, which also happened to be the last day of another leaderboard week, I suddenly got kicked out from my account and couldn't log back in. I had 10-tables opened at the time and 1350$ in bankroll. I also had roughly 1000$ in rb waiting to be released from the Fish buffet and was holding 2nd position in 10$ weekly s&g leaderboard worth 1550$.
To sum up, GGPoker confiscated my ~4000$, accusing me of things I've never done without presenting any evidence.
I did NOT receive any warning whatsoever prior to the ban.
I just got kicked out during the play, like they already knew I was guilty (otherwise they would let me finish the tournaments). The 2 week "investigation" just seems to be fake, since I've received exactly the same copy-paste messages as other banned people that I know of.
It looks like they didn't even look at individual cases, but instead just banned a group of winning players in order to “clean” the field from regulars.
If GGPoker didn’t want me to play on their site, they could’ve just asked me to withdraw my money and then block my account. Instead I got my money taken away from me without even giving me a chance to prove my innocence.
Up to that moment I was encouraging people to play on this site, but at the moment I am completely opposite and will tell my story to everyone asking about GGPoker.
Testimonial 8
I started the spin at GG Poker on February 28th. I've been living this for years. I have never used the tools with which I have been accused.
Not even the companies with more severe protection banned me (PS,Winamax). Not by chance, because I'm not cheating!
Before the weekly tournament closed, I was removed from the tournament leaderboard on Sunday, and I already know that was the final decision at the time. From then on the whole game.
Which goes out to remove winning players for false reasons. So I can only advise everyone to register only if you are a losing player. But if you are winning then beware!
06-29-2020
, 07:38 PM
I hope you banned people join each other and sue GGnetwork or worse...
A few months ago I had read this on Pokerstrategy.
Head of Poker at the GGNetwork Jean-Christophe Antoine: If you are planning to make a living out of poker, GGNetwork is not the place to be. It does not mean you won’t be able to make it but nothing will be done on our side to facilitate this, our goal is to make it fun for everyone, nothing else.
He means, fun for himself. I truly hope GGnetwork steals from the wrong person one day.... They must have a office somewhere?!
When I was done reading it all. I said to myself: No Way i'm going to deposit at GGnetwork!
A few months ago I had read this on Pokerstrategy.
Head of Poker at the GGNetwork Jean-Christophe Antoine: If you are planning to make a living out of poker, GGNetwork is not the place to be. It does not mean you won’t be able to make it but nothing will be done on our side to facilitate this, our goal is to make it fun for everyone, nothing else.
He means, fun for himself. I truly hope GGnetwork steals from the wrong person one day.... They must have a office somewhere?!
When I was done reading it all. I said to myself: No Way i'm going to deposit at GGnetwork!
06-30-2020
, 08:18 AM
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