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Old 03-26-2013, 12:29 PM   #776
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If you would, please elaborate. If I pay $2 in rake in a tournament buyin and $2 in rake in a 6 handed cash game, how is this treated differently for awarding status points? By status points, you mean Frequent Player Points or however the customer loyalty points are labeled?
Pretty sure that microgaming, back when they served USA players, gave no points credit for tourneys, some give a percentage. We tend to think that money paid to the house is money paid to the house, whether from rake or a tourney. On the other hand, you could pay the house tourney fee and potentially play for hours, perhaps even making rebuys and add ons without paying any additional fee. therefore, in a tourney you may pay a very minimal amount to use the software for hours, whereas in an hour of playing a cash game you might pay 100 times as much as the tourney fee in the single hour of using the software.

Why would the site give an incentive for playing on the site for a much longer time per dollar paid. Having given this a lot of thought i must admit there is valid logic behind it. While the site has an interest in providing a viable tournament capability i can see why they do not particularly want to give ongoing incentive for tourney play. If they want to occassionally spark interest in particular events they can do that with races.

I have changed my mind against my own financial interest. i see the logic in not giving full rake type credit for tourney participation.
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Old 03-26-2013, 12:39 PM   #777
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Last night we had 5 tables going, NL and Fixed. I think you'll find some action around 8PM Eastern. So if you have that freeroll money, you might as well start putting it to use.

I know 5 tables isn't a lot but considering typically there isn't any going, we are making a step in the right direction.
tj you must have been drunk that night, this site never had 5 tables going unless 1 person was at each table , i guess you can call that going. as far as right direction ,the changes made seem to have less players, with sunday the only night with any action, before the changes there was some action during the week.
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Old 03-26-2013, 09:37 PM   #778
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Hello all,

Unhappy camper I can assure you that I wasn't drunk and indeed 5 tables were in play. Albeit super micro NL but 5 tables indeed.

The changes made were an improvement as to what was being offered before. If you remember there was only one tournament listed per hour, the tournament needed 10 people for it to start.

Changes were to list tournaments every 15 minutes and have the minimum number of players dropped to two from ten.

The thought process was to give a more diverse offering of tournaments and allow people to play more often than once per hour.

Adding .02/.04 NL tables rather than having the minimum table showing as .05/.10 has brought some players to the tables albeit 99% of them Rounders Row players.

The thought process was to get those free roll winning players out to play. For whatever reason the free roll winners decide to sit on the money rather than put it into use. I've never seen anything like it but there's a different mentality of players it seems.

On the subject of tournament fees. The typical standard is that it counts in your rake back at the same percentage as you would find in cash game rake.

What I am saying is if you were to receive 50% rake back and for a week you paid $100 in rake on the cash tables, you would receive $50 back based on your 50% rake back.

If you paid $20 in tournament fees, you would receive $10 back based on your 50% rake back.

The difference is in the wording rake and fees. However in a rake back setting they are the same.

In a FPP or Loyalty Points setting the tournament fees are based on certain number per $1 paid in fees. So you may earn 5 points per $1 or 1 point for each 20 cents paid to break it down further.

In cash games depending on rake style (contributed, dealt, or shared) it's going to be typically higher because you are going to pay more rake per hour than you would for that same hour in tournament play.

The "house" is going to make it's money either way and if you think of a tournament that has 10,000 people in it with an entry of $3 and .30 that's an easy $3,000 and while the tournament may go on 4-5 hours you don't have everyone playing that long. So there's a balance to it and it's not as cut and dry as someone tried to make it earlier.

I hope that helps a tad and puts a bit of perspective to it.

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Old 03-26-2013, 10:11 PM   #779
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Pretty sure that microgaming, back when they served USA players, gave no points credit for tourneys, some give a percentage. We tend to think that money paid to the house is money paid to the house, whether from rake or a tourney. On the other hand, you could pay the house tourney fee and potentially play for hours, perhaps even making rebuys and add ons without paying any additional fee. therefore, in a tourney you may pay a very minimal amount to use the software for hours, whereas in an hour of playing a cash game you might pay 100 times as much as the tourney fee in the single hour of using the software.

Why would the site give an incentive for playing on the site for a much longer time per dollar paid. Having given this a lot of thought i must admit there is valid logic behind it. While the site has an interest in providing a viable tournament capability i can see why they do not particularly want to give ongoing incentive for tourney play. If they want to occassionally spark interest in particular events they can do that with races.

I have changed my mind against my own financial interest. i see the logic in not giving full rake type credit for tourney participation.
That makes sense but the tourney rake still needs to be accounted for in some manners.

It is just after 9:00 p.m., my local time, and I am unable to connect. Getting the same small window that I posted on March 20th. Anyone know why this is happening?
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Old 03-27-2013, 04:44 AM   #780
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Don't get me wrong TJ, i like your "typical standard" and hope you can implement it. My favorite places to play are those that give points for play in tourneys and sng's as well as ring games and have those points count toward earning bonus or rakeback. I don't know anywhere that gives 50% rakeback. I don't know anywhere that gives as much as the PPN rakeback of 35% (with $500 bonus).

I saw in stats that 35 players have raked hand points this month. I'm not sure how that compares to recent months but i do recall that we rarely had 25 players with raked hands in a week, so maybe that's a good sign.
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Old 03-27-2013, 08:26 AM   #781
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Don't get me wrong TJ, i like your "typical standard" and hope you can implement it. My favorite places to play are those that give points for play in tourneys and sng's as well as ring games and have those points count toward earning bonus or rakeback. I don't know anywhere that gives 50% rakeback. I don't know anywhere that gives as much as the PPN rakeback of 35% (with $500 bonus).

I saw in stats that 35 players have raked hand points this month. I'm not sure how that compares to recent months but i do recall that we rarely had 25 players with raked hands in a week, so maybe that's a good sign.
Are you sure about getting RB and a Bonus?
Gio told me you can have the RB or the Bonus and not both.
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Old 03-27-2013, 09:04 AM   #782
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Are you sure about getting RB and a Bonus?
Gio told me you can have the RB or the Bonus and not both.
On most sites you get both RB and a FDB but the unlocked bonus is deducted from the gross revenue and lowers the Rakeback payments.
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Old 03-27-2013, 02:07 PM   #783
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Are you sure about getting RB and a Bonus?
Gio told me you can have the RB or the Bonus and not both.
no, not sure, in fact i was dead wrong lol. i don't know why i typed that, my bad
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Old 03-27-2013, 02:09 PM   #784
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On most sites you get both RB and a FDB but the unlocked bonus is deducted from the gross revenue and lowers the Rakeback payments.
yep, you might as well say you get one or the other, whichever is higher, but not both
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Old 03-28-2013, 10:06 AM   #785
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Okay, this is completely nit-picky but why does the client lobby always open like the photos below? Is this happening to everyone else?

When I first log in, this is my first screen:


Then I click the Omaha tab and:


I go back to the Hold 'em tab and while it looks fairly normal, the smallest stakes are missing/buried somewhere beneath the present viewing area.


Same thing on the Omaha tab:


And back to the Hold 'em tab. After a double click on the Stakes tab I finally get to a list from lowest to highest stakes:


Then once more to the Omaha tab. Another double click on the Stakes tab and I get the list from lowest to highest.


This isn't an issue that affects game play obviously but I find it annoying. Am I missing some filters somewhere that would make this automatic?
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Old 03-29-2013, 05:36 AM   #786
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SouthernPott:

It is not unusual that the the screen does not show the stake you want when you select a game type. Since the action at ppn is always on the lower stakes i simply click the stakes tab twice to display it the way i want- No big deal.

The blank screens when you first open the site is a new phenomenon i first noticed a few weeks ago. I assume it is taking longer to load than before, perhaps due to the addition of events on the scheduled tourney tab. It sometimes seem to take 30 seconds or so for the tables to load and it seems to help to click back and forth between the holdem and omaha tabls.
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Old 03-29-2013, 07:30 AM   #787
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yep, you might as well say you get one or the other, whichever is higher, but not both
No that is not the correct interpretation - you get both because Rakeback will continue to get paid when the FDB is cleared.
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Old 03-29-2013, 02:06 PM   #788
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SouthernPott:

It is not unusual that the the screen does not show the stake you want when you select a game type. Since the action at ppn is always on the lower stakes i simply click the stakes tab twice to display it the way i want- No big deal.

The blank screens when you first open the site is a new phenomenon i first noticed a few weeks ago. I assume it is taking longer to load than before, perhaps due to the addition of events on the scheduled tourney tab. It sometimes seem to take 30 seconds or so for the tables to load and it seems to help to click back and forth between the holdem and omaha tabls.
I agree, it is not a big deal, except when you toss it in with several other software glitches/errors and then it starts to scare people off. This one is easy to correct on the user end but why does it happen in the first place? I would think the software orders the tables in some logical fashion top to bottom but they aren't in any order I can grasp.

The blank screens are relatively recent for me also and I have no problem clicking back and forth until the table list appears and then clicking the stakes tab a couple of times until the tables are listed in the order I wish but I would like it better if it was automatic.
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Old 03-29-2013, 08:52 PM   #789
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No that is not the correct interpretation - you get both because Rakeback will continue to get paid when the FDB is cleared.
Actually, if the bonus is only deducted from the gross revenue like it is on many sites, you will also get RB while the FDB is cleared, just less of it. I think you alluded to this in your previous post.
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Old 03-30-2013, 02:21 PM   #790
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I live in NJ, when will I be able to play online safely at a main site like PokerStars again?
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Old 03-31-2013, 06:06 AM   #791
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I live in NJ, when will I be able to play online safely at a main site like PokerStars again?
Most likely when PokerStars goes online in NJ. But what exactly does that have to do with this thread?
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Old 03-31-2013, 09:52 AM   #792
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Most likely when PokerStars goes online in NJ. But what exactly does that have to do with this thread?
Is there something about the name of this thread,

"Official Poker Pros Network",

that confuses people when they are reading the Internet Poker section? We've had a couple of posts that seem to come out of left field.
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Old 03-31-2013, 12:50 PM   #793
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Is there something about the name of this thread,

"Official Poker Pros Network",

that confuses people when they are reading the Internet Poker section? We've had a couple of posts that seem to come out of left field.
I thought I was in a different thread jerk job
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Old 03-31-2013, 12:52 PM   #794
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I thought I was in a different thread jerk job
Lol @ jerk job.

Me laughing is prob the most ive gotten out of this thread in a while
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Old 03-31-2013, 03:49 PM   #795
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I thought I was in a different thread jerk job

I honestly meant no insult but thanks for getting all butthurt 5 posts into your newly minted sn.

All I wondered was if the thread name looked more like a general topic of networking poker pros than a poker site name Poker Pros Network.

Jerk Job is a great name though. It made Hank laugh and he never laughs.
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I honestly meant no insult but thanks for getting all butthurt 5 posts into your newly minted sn.

All I wondered was if the thread name looked more like a general topic of networking poker pros than a poker site name Poker Pros Network.

Jerk Job is a great name though. It made Hank laugh and he never laughs.
I'm setting the tone early!
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Lol @ jerk job.

Me laughing is prob the most ive gotten out of this thread in a while
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MrsTater invites all 2+2 forum members to play a NLHE private tourney at 20:00 tonight, $2 entry, $5 bounty on MrsTater, password is “pest”, without the quotes.
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MrsTater invites all 2+2 forum members to play a NLHE private tourney at 20:00 tonight, $2 entry, $5 bounty on MrsTater, password is “pest”, without the quotes. 5 player minimum.
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