[QUOTE=stlboy05;37135942]Exactly


Another thing, I'm surprised hasn't been brought up or at least not lately. The lack of promotions on here.

yep, promotions used to be really good and made at least $100 a month on them, they dropped most of them in the second half of 2012

No player points

they do have raked hand points that get u into a $25 weekly tourney if they get 25 players. they used to get u into a monthly hu playoff for the top 3 rakers against PPNCEO for $50/35/15. a few times (thankfully) chuck didn't show up and we got paid as if we won. Chuck is a very challenging heads up tourney player. they also had monthly rake races for a few months. i think the prizes were $25/15/10, people figured half way through the month there was no way they were going to beat me so participation dropped off. it is not as if i played 24 hours a day, but if a table was going i was almost always on it.

,VIP,rakeback unless you deposit $500(doubt anyone has done that). I see there's a beat the boss promo, but does the boss even play on here? Has the 'beat the staff' 500 freeroll ever ran on here?

chuck played quite a bit early in 2012, more than enuf to get the minimum 50 qualifying players, it only got up to about 35, even tho they let it carry over to subsequent months

The 100 freeroll on Sundays is good value but what about people who can't/don't play it?

they had a relatively good turnout for 5 or 6 other events per week totaling about $65 in additional freerolls, they dropped those late in 2012

People need some incentive to play on your site,anyone can play the freeroll but you need to give people incentives to deposit 100,200$. Until then I doubt this site is able to get out of the red.

obviously, chuck has been operating in the red for over a year, and appears willing to keep taking the losses until the site takes off. in the meantime the site playability has improved...slowly. I can hardly blame him for not continuing all the promotions but i think now is the time to bring some of them back. I think the best way to get people to play cash tables is to have standard weekly rake races.

I mean is there seriously no 1st deposit bonuses?

there have continuously advertised deposit and reload bonuses but with the current traffic levels you would do well to meet the playthrough at a rate of $5 per month, at least that was my experience with the reload bonus.

Unless you deposit 500?

u only have to deposit $500 for the rakeback, not the bonus

No way I'd be even playing here unless I won a freeroll. well, that part seems to be working then isn't it?

The following tables are now available in all 6 rooms:

NLHE .02/.04 2 player

NLHE .02/.04 4 player

NLHE .02/.04 6 player

NLHE .02/.04 8 player

i like the new tables. i wouldn't mind seeing FL .05/.010 in holdem, omaha and omaha hilo. .10/.20 is ok, but why not FL .05/.010, especially in the cheap seats room. that's the point of it isn't it? how about .02/.05 FL in cheap seats?

i sometimes like NL in omaha and hilo, not just FL and PL.did i forget anything?

I don't see any reason to delete any tables, why not just add more?

I noticed that the .01/.02 PL omaha hilo tables are gone now, what's up with that?

In breaking news Gio Can't Help advises of the four .02/.04 NL tables that we were told by TJ about on 2/8.

Gio please address the issues the players brought forth regarding the betting allowed on the all in situation. See posts from Southern Pott, Indy Jones and Stlboy. Rather than coming on here and giving people old news why not address concerns instead.

How do you expect to attract players if the PPN software isn't set up to play poker the way it is meant to be played?

@stlboy05 I think I saw a promotion at Rounders Row 100% up to $600 for intiial deposit but I may be mistaken.

@TJ when are you adding all these tournaments along with table changes you spoke about. I want to give you a shot but not with what is there now because it's pretty damn bad.

You mean you can't play on their $500/$1000 PL table ? Who the f are they trying to kid? They have 50 or more table with stakes $20/$40 or higher in Omaha alone. LOL Need I say more?

What's up with this Toon character? Some how i just don't get the feeling he cares about my concerns. If he did he would have noticed that i said i like the betting the way it is but i can understand if they want to change it if a lot of players are annoyed by it.

This "Gio Can't Help" bit from Toon is really getting old. It wasn't all that clever when i said it a hundreds of posts ago. All ppn players should have a voice here, but from what i can tell, he isn't even a ppn player? if i'm wrong, he should tell us his player name or tone it down. If he doen't like the site, fine, he shouldn't play here. Is it trolling? who does he work for? he should at least get some new material.

You may need to say more if you are trying to make sense. what's wrong with a .01/.02 omaha hilo table. at least it gets some action now and then. it is a cheap way to learn for people who are not confident enough in their omaha hilo skills to play higher stakes. then again, don't say more, i grow tired of your drivel.

i noticed the .02/.04 tables in RR but didn't plan to play there again because my ppn notes didn't carry over there, most likely because RR likes it that way, so i was glad to hear from gio that they are now available in the other ppn rooms. gio may not be a great rep, but he's my rep because i play ppn poker. he's not your rep because you don't even play and i think it is pretty cleare u never will no matter how many changes they make. put up or shut up

I didn't know it was a settled issue. Even if it was, would u expect Gio to announce that it will be changed right away. Marcus has been working on the tourney list and table list you have been whining about. we have all been told that minor glitches in the playing characteristics are going to be addressed in the new game client. Judging my the length of time they have been talking about it, i'm not holding my breath. Who cares if they decide to change it now or a month from now, it will probably be longer than that before they roll it out.

I hope it is not a settled issue. I like it the way it is and i don't think we have to do everything the way it was done back in the day. If i did, i wouldn't play with a 4 color deck. next thing u will try to take that away from me. Let's hear some other opinions. so far we have the opinions of three players. Against we have a long time but infrequent player and a newbie. Against, we have me, a player who has played HUDREDS OF TIMES (look it up) more raked hands on ppn than those other 2 guys put together. I respect their opinions and i expect them to respect mine, I say we should hear from some more players before before we decide if it needs to be "fixed". come on players, speak up!

Doesnt matter to me eitherway.I would prefer things the way all other sites do them because i play on all of them and its nice to not have diff rules for diff sites imo.
However Indy's suggestions should have a ton more pull than the complaining UNplayers.

Indy its obv you are in the minority here. While you have raked hundreds of hands, we can agree PPN is still in the red every month. This will continue while they keep making up the rules of the game as they go. I doubt anyone wants to take away the 4 color deck. If you want to see full ring game tables and larger prizes in tournaments then PPN is going to have to stick with standard rules. Just curious, where would you like to see PPN traffic wise in 6 months?

Question: Would you honestly advice players that take poker somewhat serious to sign up for PPN given the enormous leaks, bugs and inadequate software?

I would love to see PPN respect the basic rules of poker. Because only this way you can ever earn more reputation.

actually that would be hundreds of thousands of raked hands, not hundreds. obviously i would like to see traffic increase to the point that i can play the games and tourneys i like 24 hours a day. i'm not so sure about the security of my 4 color deck. After all, if they want to stop selling me big clips for my semi-automatic rifle, which i easily converted to fully automatic, doesn't that mean they are coming for my guns? it's a slippery slope dude. I have a constitutional right to my 4 color deck!!!!

I was playing a merge freeroll today with 250 min bets. I, player A, lead with a bet of 250, player B raised all in with his last 498 chips, player C called. It allowed me to raise. How does that not violate the rule that there cannot be another raise if the all in players bet/raise was not a bet/full raise?

Actually i think the vote is now 2 players for changing the way it is and 2 players for "what's the big deal? I don't mind the way it is". a tie is not an obvious minority.

its probably a software glitch since its wrong according to most standard rules.

it looks like merge doesn't go by that rule. aren't they the biggest network now? if the example i saw today is an exception to the rule, then the whole thing seems too complicated to me. i would rather have someone else say WTF how come indy can raise than have me say WTF why can't i raise. why should i have to figure out before betting if the rule applies and change my betting stategy just because there is a short stack at the table. the only one i want to worry about is the big stack.

A raiuse isnt double Player A total bet,Its player A's total raise.

Ex:Blinds are 25/50,player A raises to 200 (total raise 150)
Player B goes all in for 385 (reraise of 185)
Player C calls 385
Now when it gets back to player A he can raise again because player B MADE a legit Raise even though it wasnt double the initial raise.

Really mainly its useful for bigger tournys vs thinking players because to them it looks like a strong line. In a game of dwindling edges, its best to have all of them you can get. My main point was to me and many other players, this is a problem. When those other players,who would be new prospective players might decide to play elsewhere(as they are now) seeing something like that. It makes people think- well if they can't even get the basic rules of poker down, what other mistakes are they making? How careless are they in other areas of their business?

I never knew a person had to be a player on a network to want to get information or monitor what was going on or lack there of before jumping in to play.

I know this may come as a surprise to you but this isn't about you, never has nor ever will be.

I am a serious player, before jumping into a new room or network I've never played on, I am going to give it a good look over and see what is working, what isn't and how viable it is for me to make money playing there.

I am going to read other players reviews, issues and take what they think about the room or network very seriously. After all they have their hard earned money already at work there.
For you to sit here and tell me to tone it down, accuse me of trolling and read your whining self serving mularkey is just plain outright ignorant.

I get it, you love PPN you've won a few hundred dollars and like you've been paid. A few hundred dollars even if it were a few thousand isn't that much in the scope of things for a serious player.

When a serious player reads about flaws in software and game set up and then sees it for themselves, how serious do you think they are going to be about a room or network? Not likely.

When a serious player sees a rep that doesn't answer inquiries from a perspective player nor answer already established players, what message is that sending to not only myself but others that are reading and don't post.

There's a lot more to the dynamics of this thread that you even take into consideration. That's ok though, you come off as a recreational player and there's nothing wrong with that. Enjoy your games and don't worry about what I have to say or what comments I leave for "YOUR" Rep.

In my opinion from what I have seen here and at the poker room/network is that it is ran very amateurish, there's no true effort to market by any of the rooms, the software isn't mainstream poker ready and whomever is managing the network doesn't understand how poker works nor how to manage a network properly.

This topic started April , 2012 in almost a years time this network has grown 0% and just recently added 1 new room. So if you think this has woked over the last ten months and you've played hundreds of thousands of hands (not sure with who) then stay satisified as you appear to be.

I am sure I am not alone in monitoring what's going on here, I just happen to be vocal about it and don't mind saying what's on my mind.

Ya, what Toon said.

There are enough mediocre poker rooms online already, we need better rooms so there is more competition which equals more choices for players.

thanks hank for yet another example that is not explained by a rule that says if the intervening play is not a complete raise it cannot be re-raised. that was not meant to be as sarcastic as it sounds, i just wish someone could articulate the rule in words that explain all examples. If you can cite a source that would be helpful and perhaps easier for you.

it sounds like you are saying that i cannot raise after someone increases the pot and an intervening player just calls. it sounds like a dumb rule. why would anyone come up with such a rule and why would any player like it? it's not like driving on one side of the road or another, in which case it doesn't matter which side, as long as everyone does it the same.

btw, don't miss the bounty tourney tonight, it is lots of fun.

just how would the change in the betting rules make it not viable to make money playing here? the more money in the pot the more money you can make. right? are you demanding that they change the way bets are made before you deposit here?

it isn't like there are a bunch of other poker networks to play at. if you read the thread about where can U.S. players play, no one is asking about betting rules, how pretty the site is etc, what everyone wants to know is, do they take players from the state i live in and how fast can i get my money off the site? I you don't like the tourneys, the tables offered, the traffic or the players then you can take your money somewhere else. It is suspicious that you go on whining repetitively and obsessively about about a site you have never played at. give it a try, u might like it, if you don't, u can take your money back to merge, or ACR, or whereever you enjoy playing.

i don't agree that there are enough rooms online, mediocre or otherwise. i'm sure the full tilt and poker stars players would not agree with that. i expect most of them would say there are not enough rooms that won't tie up your money or outright rip you off. Did you get robbed playing at an everleaf skin like i did? after playing on ppn for years, i feel more confident about the security of my money here than at any of the many other rooms i have played at.

Anyway, i'm glad to see a new name expressing interest in ppn. check out the sunday freeroll. there is no easier place to win $40 free cash in 2 hours. how can u resist that? (I played a merge freeroll today for 4 hours and only won a buck.) the play through ratio at ppn is only 1:1. If you win $40 are you really gonna care that much if i got in one more bet than you thought i should?