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Old 02-11-2013, 04:12 PM   #626
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Think i just realized the problem w/PPN.
After i start a table in multiple diff stakes and games i have players like GENO and BAMAFAN sitting down and winning $2 in 8 hands and running away.

no wonder this site cant get going,pathetic.
If either player is in this thread,id rather you just ask me for $2 and ill mail it to you somehow instead of being a HNR parasite.
welcome to the poker room and to the forum. I share your dismay. hit and run players are a pain in the butt and every site has them. the only thing worse is a hit, cuss u out and run player. they even have one of those here. i don't know any real solution. I try to put behavior like that in my player notes at the table. then i just don't voluntarily play them except in a large ring.
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IndyJones is someone who will sit and play for a long time normally.
i usually sit and play a long time at fixed limit table. at NL i often don't play a long time unless there is a rake race going on. that is the curse of being a chaser i guess; u can't chase for a long time at a NL table without most likely getting you stack cleaned out. woe is me lol
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Old 02-11-2013, 06:08 PM   #628
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Also +1 to getting rid of the min 10 player requirement for tournys. I can't speak for others but a 25$ guarantee means nothing to me,its essentially a SNG anyways. Get rid of the guarantees(if your that worried about overlay) and build from there,least you will have SNG's err I mean tournys running.
I think we all agree that the 10 player minimum has to go, at least until we get a lot more players participating. If any one thought there was a possibility of getting an overlay in the guarantees then they weren't paying attention over the last year, but i think it is crazy to get rid of the only tourneys that have been able to get 10 or more players on a regular basis, no matter what u call them.
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Old 02-11-2013, 06:38 PM   #629
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Thank you for bringing this to the attention of the forum. I also appreciate the insight you and other players have shared on this issue. I will raise this issue with Marcus. If you had followed this thread for several months you may have noticed that I have been reluctant to make promises that I was not confident would be fulfilled in the near future. All the other flaws and annoying quirks have been noted and we plan to have the fixes incorporated into the all new game client. I cannot assure that this particular fix will be made before then. Marcus has been very busy working on the new game client and it is inefficient to try to make every correction to the existing software and then repeat them in the new game client.



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Edit- Another thing to add is, last tourny I played a player raised to 300 and next guy shoves for 375 or so, when it gets back to raiser he's able to iso-raise again WTF is that? His only option should be call or fold not raise.

Example: Player A bets $100 and Player B raises $100 more, making the total bet $200. If Player C goes all in for less than $300 total (not a full $100 raise), and Player A calls, then Player B has no option to raise again, because he wasn't fully raised. (Player A could have raised, because Player B raised.)
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There has been a lot of discussion lately about the structure, number and type of tourneys and tables offered. Everyone seems to agree that the tourney changes should occur without delay. Marcus and I worked on the tourney list over the weekend. The revision will include the addition of more than 50 tournament events. While I am reluctant to make promises which are not solely within my own ability to keep, I can say that you can expect to see some, if not all, of those additions this week. The changes include more low fee tourneys, fixed limit tourneys and 6 player table tourneys, and of course all the regular tourneys will now require a minimum of only 2 players. I am hoping that cash table changes will be next on the list. Please continue with your suggestions of specific cash tables you would like to see added. I am listening and I am here to advocate for you the players.
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Old 02-11-2013, 06:41 PM   #631
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Results of the Sunday $100 freeroll
Feb 10
34 players (again)

1. decker5 $40
2. GENO $24
3. BamaFan $16
4. Burnt Toast $12
5. chs600 $8


The reason I post the freeroll results is because there is such a hugh players number to dollars ratio. That is $2.94 per person average free money. No other poker room offers anything close to that ratio on a straight up freeroll, I would wager that no other poker room ever has.

Posting the results emphasizes how easy it is to win $40 in a couple of hours and put nothing in. If decker5 can do it, anyone can!!! (Lol, just kidding decker, well played, as usual)

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Example: Player A bets $100 and Player B raises $100 more, making the total bet $200. If Player C goes all in for less than $300 total (not a full $100 raise), and Player A calls, then Player B has no option to raise again, because he wasn't fully raised.
very logical explanation. now i get it.



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(Player A could have raised, because Player B raised.) [/QUOTE]

i see, i hadn't even thought of that. if player A checks, player B bets 75.50 (all in) because he doesn't have the 100 minimum bet, can player C raise it to 200? or am i still not getting it?

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Old 02-11-2013, 07:21 PM   #633
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There has been a lot of discussion lately about the structure, number and type of tourneys and tables offered. Everyone seems to agree that the tourney changes should occur without delay. Marcus and I worked on the tourney list over the weekend. The revision will include the addition of more than 50 tournament events. While I am reluctant to make promises which are not solely within my own ability to keep, I can say that you can expect to see some, if not all, of those additions this week. The changes include more low fee tourneys, fixed limit tourneys and 6 player table tourneys, and of course all the regular tourneys will now require a minimum of only 2 players. I am hoping that cash table changes will be next on the list. Please continue with your suggestions of specific cash tables you would like to see added. I am listening and I am here to advocate for you the players.
Figure out a way that an opponent cant win $2 and run away in 8 hands.

I honestly dont want to start tables anymore because of these HNR parasites

Thats a terrible way to welcome new players to the site after they wait hours for someone to play against.

Getting new players on this site is like finding water in the desert and these guys are pissing it.
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fixed limit tourneys
Umm really? Worst way to actually slow down the creation of traffic imho ...
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Old 02-12-2013, 12:13 AM   #635
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I want to respond to some comments by various posters, I won't address each poster individual but in an overall response.

After a good conference chat with Chuck last Friday, I posted changes would be coming and they will. They can't and won't happen overnight but you should see it hopefully very soon.

The original plan offered by Rounders Row was to have a tournament go off every 5 minutes.

The though was this was a bit of overkill at this point and there was a compromise of a tournament every 20 or 30 minutes. Once traffic picks up and there is a lot of tournament action, this can be revisited.

The tournaments presented were of all varieties from NL to Omaha and everything in between including FL tournaments. This will give the player(s) many more options than they have available to them now.

So if you don't want to play FL Tournament you don't have to but the option is there. In seeing a lot of the real money play has been in Fixed Limit there's likely interest in a Fixed Limit Tournament. It can't hurt to offer the tournament and it certainly won't kill off traffic.

As for the 10 player requirement we presented to have a minimum of three to start a tournament with the exception of a freeroll or guaranteed tournament. This shouldn't be a problem as the freeroll and guaranteed tournaments reach the 10 player minimum currently.

We are looking to expand some of the Fixed Limit and some of the lower end No Limit tables while reducing redundant tables and odd ball type stakes.

Keep in mind that in order to make changes it takes a lot of compromise and going back and forth not to mention the work and time it takes to make it happen behind the scenes.

To make things 100% clear, there isn't one penny coming from ELG to PPN for USA players. ELG has stuck to the premise if they transfer any USA Players balance to another network that it would be considered money laundering.

I think I covered everything thrown my way for now. If not throw it at me again.

Thanks for the comments/questions.

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Figure out a way that an opponent cant win $2 and run away in 8 hands.

I honestly dont want to start tables anymore because of these HNR parasites

Thats a terrible way to welcome new players to the site after they wait hours for someone to play against.

Getting new players on this site is like finding water in the desert and these guys are pissing it.
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Figure out a way that an opponent cant win $2 and run away in 8 hands.

I honestly dont want to start tables anymore because of these HNR parasites

Thats a terrible way to welcome new players to the site after they wait hours for someone to play against.

Getting new players on this site is like finding water in the desert and these guys are pissing it.
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Going to open a new poker room titled homegames.eu
Not that I ever hnr but its part of the game,what do you guys propose? Min- hands played before one can leave the table? If one does leave for any number of reasons, would they pay a penalty?
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So if you don't want to play FL Tournament you don't have to but the option is there. In seeing a lot of the real money play has been in Fixed Limit there's likely interest in a Fixed Limit Tournament. It can't hurt to offer the tournament and it certainly won't kill off traffic.
For that you actually need traffic first that you can kill off. Then again we have already seen all kind of promises for many months and barely anything was ever delivered ... reminds me of ELG
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the good thing is that in FL its easier to steal the big blind and run away.GENO and BAMAFAN are probably pros at that by now.
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For that you actually need traffic first that you can kill off. Then again we have already seen all kind of promises for many months and barely anything was ever delivered ... reminds me of ELG
the only thing i think of when i think of everleaf is that for months they intentionally slowed withdrawals while encouraging me to deposit, all the time planning to shut me out and not give me my money. so no, nothing about PPN reminds me of ELG. I trust Chuck Kidd with my money more than i have trusted any of the many online poker rooms i have played at. that may not be saying much because i consider all my online poker money to be at risk either from DOJ intervention or crooked ownership. the risk of the latter is minimized with chuck.
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Not that I ever hnr but its part of the game,what do you guys propose? Min- hands played before one can leave the table? If one does leave for any number of reasons, would they pay a penalty?
my +1 was really for feeling his pain. there is no solution and it would be a waste of time to think of a way to change the software to stop hnr activity. the only thing to do is to refuse to play them and warn others. +1 for whining about it though, even if u only lost $2.

you can't stop most offensive behavior at the poker table. chat filters are a joke. you can call someone doosh, dam ahole or puzzy and get your message across. the only thing you can't say in ppn chat is "hello", lol, try it.

A few poker rooms were very activist in dealing with abusive chat. PPN is not one of those rooms.

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i see, i hadn't even thought of that. if player A checks, player B bets 75.50 (all in) because he doesn't have the 100 minimum bet, can player C raise it to 200? or am i still not getting it?
I am going to take your example as being postflop since you said Player A checks. Player B puts in his last 75.50 and is all-in. Player C can raise. When it gets back to Player A he is still able to raise no matter what C does. If you had said Player A calls then we could say this example is preflop. Player B then puts in his last 75.50. Player C can still raise and the action is reopened when it gets back around to Player A. If Player C just calls he is just calling Player A's min bet so the action won't be reopened when it gets back to Player A.

The problem with the example I posted is that it might not be what happened in the example stlboy05 posted.

Without all the details I am going to guess that the blinds were 50/100 or 75/150 and Player A opened with a raise to 300. Player B raised to 375 and is all-in. One or more players called the 375 and the action returned to Player A. I guess I really don't know if he is allowed to reraise here.

There is some rule about if the bet is more than 1/2 the min bet, action is reopened but that only applies to limit games I think.

My understanding is that this example was all preflop. Some of the information is missing though and it might make a difference as to the rules in play. What did the other players do after Player B raised to 375? How much were the blinds when this happened?

I think the best answers might come from posting the question on one of the forums for tourney or cash game questions and also filling in more of the details.

Blinds are 50/100 in a 9 player single table tournament.

Player A, UTG, raises to 300. Next 5 players fold. Player B, the button raises to 375 and is all-in. SB folds. Player C calls 375 in the BB.

What are the options for Player A? Is the action reopened by the all-in raise allowing Player A to reraise or is he only allowed to call/fold? Is it different if the blinds are 10/20?

Anyway, good or bad, it is nice to see a pile of posts about PPN in one 24 hour period. The software problems can be fixed in time and keeping PPN a front page topic of conversation will draw people in at least to look things over.
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my +1 was really for feeling his pain. there is no solution and it would be a waste of time to think of a way to change the software to stop hnr activity. +1 for whining about it though.
I think the only way to deal with it is to take notes like you do and refuse to give anyone a game that doesn't proscribe to the table ethics you do.

No need to be ugly about it, just sit out. If they ask why, tell them you don't like the way they HnR and you have no intention of giving them another opportunity. Unfortunately, it is part of online play and it is very visible when there are not enough games going on to just move on to the next table.
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the only thing i think of when i think of everleaf is that for months they intentionally slowed withdrawals while encouraging me to deposit, all the time planning to shut me out and not give me my money. so no, nothing about PPN reminds me of ELG.
I was actually referring to the Rounders Row funds from ELG that probably never gonna make it to PPN unless the site swallows the loss and covers it themselves. Well, and the fact that it took months for them to even get listed after the previous assurances by PPN in this thread without any progress for months.
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I am going to take your example as being postflop since you said Player A checks. Player B puts in his last 75.50 and is all-in. Player C can raise. When it gets back to Player A he is still able to raise no matter what C does. If you had said Player A calls then we could say this example is preflop. Player B then puts in his last 75.50. Player C can still raise and the action is reopened when it gets back around to Player A. If Player C just calls he is just calling Player A's min bet so the action won't be reopened when it gets back to Player A.

The problem with the example I posted is that it might not be what happened in the example stlboy05 posted.

Without all the details I am going to guess that the blinds were 50/100 or 75/150 and Player A opened with a raise to 300. Player B raised to 375 and is all-in. One or more players called the 375 and the action returned to Player A. I guess I really don't know if he is allowed to reraise here.

There is some rule about if the bet is more than 1/2 the min bet, action is reopened but that only applies to limit games I think.

My understanding is that this example was all preflop. Some of the information is missing though and it might make a difference as to the rules in play. What did the other players do after Player B raised to 375? How much were the blinds when this happened?

I think the best answers might come from posting the question on one of the forums for tourney or cash game questions and also filling in more of the details.

Blinds are 50/100 in a 9 player single table tournament.

Player A, UTG, raises to 300. Next 5 players fold. Player B, the button raises to 375 and is all-in. SB folds. Player C calls 375 in the BB.

What are the options for Player A? Is the action reopened by the all-in raise allowing Player A to reraise or is he only allowed to call/fold? Is it different if the blinds are 10/20?

Anyway, good or bad, it is nice to see a pile of posts about PPN in one 24 hour period. The software problems can be fixed in time and keeping PPN a front page topic of conversation will draw people in at least to look things over.
after the first paragraph i thought, ok, that makes sense...then u lost me lol. can you imagine trying to program those rules. beyond the simple example that first came up, i would think it would be a nightmare.

anyway, i don't mind if they don't fix it because i want to be able to raise every time it is my turn to act. i never gave it any thought except when i could not raise.
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my +1 was really for feeling his pain. there is no solution and it would be a waste of time to think of a way to change the software to stop hnr activity. the only thing to do is to refuse to play them and warn others. +1 for whining about it though, even if u only lost $2.

you can't stop most offensive behavior at the poker table. chat filters are a joke. you can call someone doosh, dam ahole or puzzy and get your message across. the only thing you can't say in ppn chat is "hello", lol, try it.

A few poker rooms were very activist in dealing with abusive chat. PPN is not one of those rooms.
Well I could def +2 to feeling his pain,its happened to me on here too. Can't remember the names but that's prob the best option to just refuse to play them. But another way you could look at it,usually these hnr players are weak and your going to have an edge over them in the few hands you do play against them. Maybe the site could raise the minimum buy-in to discourage that,so the hnr guys would need to possibly risk more money.
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The problem with the example I posted is that it might not be what happened in the example stlboy05 posted.

Without all the details I am going to guess that the blinds were 50/100 or 75/150 and Player A opened with a raise to 300. Player B raised to 375 and is all-in. One or more players called the 375 and the action returned to Player A. I guess I really don't know if he is allowed to reraise here.

There is some rule about if the bet is more than 1/2 the min bet, action is reopened but that only applies to limit games I think.

My understanding is that this example was all preflop. Some of the information is missing though and it might make a difference as to the rules in play. What did the other players do after Player B raised to 375? How much were the blinds when this happened
Yes the blinds were 75/150, there were prob already 2-3 limpers before the raiser. BY the time it got back to him 5-6 people had called the 375,which he was able to iso raise. I have never played on any site where this is possible until now.
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I have never played on any site where this is possible until now.
Nor will you find it on any other site either, because it is common poker knowledge that it should not be possible.
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Nor will you find it on any other site either, because it is common poker knowledge that it should not be possible.
Exactly


Another thing, I'm surprised hasn't been brought up or at least not lately. The lack of promotions on here.No player points,VIP,rakeback unless you deposit $500(doubt anyone has done that). I see there's a beat the boss promo, but does the boss even play on here? Has the 'beat the staff' 500 freeroll ever ran on here? The 100 freeroll on Sundays is good value but what about people who can't/don't play it? People need some incentive to play on your site,anyone can play the freeroll but you need to give people incentives to deposit 100,200$. Until then I doubt this site is able to get out of the red. I mean is there seriously no 1st deposit bonuses? Unless you deposit 500? No way I'd be even playing here unless I won a freeroll.
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the satellit turbos for hot 44/55/75$ never finishes untill the tournament starts.
why do i have to play from Xth blind level? is it not possible to start them 1 hour earlier than now?
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the satellit turbos for hot 44/55/75$ never finishes untill the tournament starts.
why do i have to play from Xth blind level? is it not possible to start them 1 hour earlier than now?
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i think u are in the wrong thread
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