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Old 07-09-2012, 02:32 PM   #376
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Re: *** Official Poker Pros Network Support and Promotions Thread ***

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explain why i should play on ppn. when reading the playthrough requirements, making a deposit would be a joke. only 3 players at a .05/.10 table, getting enough rake at that table to cashout 200 hundred dollars could take a lifetime.
I replied in the unofficial thread :

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28.../#post33669490
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Old 07-09-2012, 03:27 PM   #377
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indy thanks for your input, but i think i will wait for the hoards of traffic this guy predicts
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Old 07-09-2012, 04:10 PM   #378
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indy thanks for your input, but i think i will wait for the hoards of traffic this guy predicts
understandable. you may want to reconsider joining after they bring back the rakeback promotion - that is where i made most of my money
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Old 07-09-2012, 10:38 PM   #379
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Daily Dissatisfaction Report

Visit the Boss Qual3 freeroll ran today with 10 players. Decker5 won a $4.10 ticket to Visit the Boss Qual2. I missed it because I had not come back after leaving for the updates.

One of the successful changes in the update was increasing the number of allowed open tourney windows from 2 to 4, or so I assume by being allowed to open 4 sng windows before getting the warning pop up. An employee told me on skype that you can now have 6 game windows open.

The freeroll had less than 20 players. I have been on for several hours today and did not see any cash games, tournaments or sng’s played except as mentioned above. There was up to 3 players signed up for a HiLo tourney and a few sng’s with one player, mostly me waiting.
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Old 07-11-2012, 12:27 AM   #380
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Activity Report

One of the players on skype said he had to leave the game client and when he returned could not see his cards. Apparently the PPN programmer goes by skype name Marcus Feather. Marcus said he would look into it.

I didn’t get on until after 7 p.m. so I don’t know what action there was before that. There were 27 players in the $10 freeroll and 13 in the $25 guarantee.
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Old 07-11-2012, 03:48 PM   #381
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GREAT NEWS: Marcus announced in skype that they will soon roll out a beta test for 7 stud to be followed with stud hilo, razz and horse. He plans to work on the hand history fix this week.
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Old 07-12-2012, 01:02 AM   #382
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Inactivity Report:

the $5 freeroll had 17 players, the afternoon $10 guarantee only got 9 of the 10 players required to run. There is no guarantee tourney tonight. At least they don’t have to worry about disturbing anyone while they make the upgrades. There has no activity in the official thread since no one is playing and forum support is M.I.A. there is nothing to talk about.
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Old 07-12-2012, 03:05 PM   #383
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While it is at the "discretion of any site how to and when to run promotions", it is not within their discretion to promise a promotion and not honor the promise. Not even an agreement to TOS which may say otherwise would operate as consent to intentional or implicit fraud. That is what i would call it if what they are doing is withdrawing it after the players have earned a qualification for the promotion. The definition of fraud is a misrepresentation justifiably relied upon to the victim's detriment. I am not accusing them of intentional fraud at this point. I have often acknowledged that have acted fairly in the past to compensate for their mistakes. It was a mistake to withdraw the promotion without advance notice. I have replied to their email asking them to compensate last week's rake race event qualifiers. If you were among the qualifiers and get paid because of my efforts you can thank me later.
It appears that Chuck Kidd has withdrawn from the Poker Pros skype group. For all i know he may be taking a vacation, i don't know anything about the way the groups work, having just joined very recently. There was a comment in the group that he was upset about what someone said. I would guess that someone was me and that the comment is quoted above.

I have enjoyed the skype group for setting up some games and especially the informative discussions with Marcus, the PPN programmer. Some of that information was recently passed on through the unofficial thread. However, if i knew he left the group because i joined it then i would be willing to leave the group, regretfully, rather than to deprive the other 20+ players of the chance to interact with the company owner.

I did try to soften the comment, which was hard to do in response to such a vile post by ladyluk, but it is now quite apparent that no amount of softening will do when using the word fraud. While the use of the word may have been technically correct, I have no reason to believe that PPN intentionally set out to deceive players into participating in the rake race with no intention of paying. Of all players, i should know as well an any that PPN has made other mistakes and of course that they were not intentional.

Like almost all poker players, my goal is to make money. If i don't make money then i'm a loser. That is what poker is about. I resent paying even $12 in rake to win a chance at $50 in the weekly race rake before finding out that the promotion has been suspended. My reply to the PPN email has not been responded to so my attempt to be compensated for their mistake has failed. Nevertheless, I won (or was awarded) hundreds in the promotion, much of which was for events that didn't run, so undoubtedly, my complaint could be considered petty.

I do not apologize for being petty to make money. Petty cash is just as good as any other cash in my view. I do apologize for using the word fraud.
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Old 07-12-2012, 03:38 PM   #384
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What happens to additional prizes, e.g. if 20 players participate will a 2nd trip be awarded? There are no terms and conditions listed on the promotion page ...
At least they managed to add a hyperlinked button to the Terms and Conditions at the bottom of the promotion page ... only problem: It links to the very same promotion page and there are still no T&C listed at all. Not impressed ...
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Old 07-12-2012, 06:15 PM   #385
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Update on the acquisition of new players:

copied below are skype excerpts from today by a PPN employee:

[5:43:18 PM] Marcus Feather: very soon you will see an increase in traffic
[5:43:52 PM] Marcus Feather: we have 4 room from 2 different networks coming in with a large list of players
[5:44:14 PM] Marcus Feather: while working on everything else I am working on the merge and skins for then as well

[6:02:46 PM] _IndyJones: marcus, i had seen the announcement of a deal pending for the new players in the forum a few weeks ago. has the deal been finalized now or is it still pending?
[6:03:27 PM] Marcus Feather: nope, we are doing the final migrations now. Room is almost out of design and being built now (today and tomorrow)
[6:03:49 PM] Marcus Feather: I mean it is final
[6:04:02 PM] Marcus Feather: just doing the punch out work now
[6:04:24 PM] _IndyJones: so they will not go initially to the PPN room?
[6:05:13 PM] Marcus Feather: they will have full access to all network rooms as any player would, no restrictions
[6:06:29 PM] _IndyJones: i look forward to that. I will post this chat to the forum if you do not mind
[6:06:42 PM] Marcus Feather: no sir
[6:06:44 PM] Marcus Feather: I do not mind
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Old 07-12-2012, 07:05 PM   #386
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More news from skype on the migration of players to PPN:

I hear G2G is joining PPN
really ?
heard they were leaving the ENet and joining PPN

[6:36:02 PM] Marcus Feather: they will be migrated in about 10-14 days we will start that one
[6:36:50 PM] Marcus Feather: I think he sits on about 17k registers but about 2-3k loyal and he says about 100 at one time from his list
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Old 07-12-2012, 08:38 PM   #387
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Status of the leaderboard Promotions:

First, my pet peeve:
It is no surprise to anyone reading the official thread that I was annoyed, for my own selfish reasons, by the way the rake race promotion was suspended. I suspended my cash game play when I learned that PPN suspended the promotion.

I don’t know how much they pay the house player to sit at a NL table to drum up very few games. But I do know that they paid me up to $50 a week winning most of the weekly rake races, playing about 1000 hands a week. I would be surprised if there have been more than 100 hands played on cash tables in the last 5 days. In that time I do know that some potential players have looked at the traffic, and finding none, have decided that now is not the time to deposit.

PPN has unwittingly undermined their efforts to increase site traffic by suspending the rake race promotions. The data was being posted in real time so that the weekly winners could be determined by the promotions/leaderboard page, even if they didn’t have the company tracking software running. They took the page down after I complained that a weekly rake race event did not run.

Marcus is working on the leaderboards:

[5:27:02 PM] Marcus Feather: Indy, how is it going today? If you have any issues let me know so I can look into it right away.
[5:27:25 PM] Marcus Feather: and for your leaderboard, i am working on final touches right now for scoring scopes
[5:30:57 PM] _IndyJones: thanks marcus. the tourney leaderboard is fine but i haven't won any money from it so i am much more interested in the weekly rake race, where i have done quite well, mostly because chuck often doesn't show up, bless his heart lol
[5:31:28 PM] Marcus Feather: yes, rake race will be part of the leaderboard system
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Old 07-12-2012, 08:50 PM   #388
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See the unofficial thread for the latest news on the leaderboard, hand history fix, new games and the great player migration.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...hread-1219206/
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Old 07-12-2012, 11:04 PM   #389
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Activity report

I’ve been on for over 10 hours today and did not see any cash games and no one sitting at a sng except me. The $10 freeroll ran with 12 players. The $25 guarantee ran with 24 players. The meet the boss Qual3 freeroll only got 8 registered so it did not run.
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Old 07-13-2012, 03:31 PM   #390
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i hope this news about player migration is true. Really no point in playing the small tourneys and freerolls, not much money there. And without any incentive to play the cash games well, still a ghost town. I check a few times a day to see if any games are running and usually only spot Indy or the "house player".

Havent spotted Southern Pott to see if he will add me to skype, so i appreciate the updates Indy.
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Old 07-16-2012, 09:35 AM   #391
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At least they managed to add a hyperlinked button to the Terms and Conditions at the bottom of the promotion page ... only problem: It links to the very same promotion page and there are still no T&C listed at all. Not impressed ...
Eight days now and still no terms and conditions on the page, just the above mentioned link that redirects to the very same page.
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Old 07-16-2012, 07:12 PM   #392
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unfortunately support is m.i.a from this thread. perhaps this has something to do with PPN setting up an in house forum.

anyway, I just passed this along to the programmer on skype. i quickly got a reply that he would work on it tonight. i relentlessly bashed him on this thread as an anonymous programmer. Since i have been texting him on skype i have been very impressed.
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Old 07-18-2012, 01:38 AM   #393
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Activity Report

Since my last posting traffic picked up a little. I have seen a few new players and at least one regular who started playing again after being absent for a few weeks. Traffic picked up even more, especially from my own perspective, upon learning that that the rake races are back because I started playing cash games again.

Tournament participation has been about the same.

Marcus, the PPN programmer, has been on the skype group every day soliciting input from players, and apparently working every day on updates and fixes to get the programming in top shape for the anticipated influx of new players. Of particular interest to me was the hand history; the hand history is now functional in holdem, in tourneys as well as cash games.
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Old 07-18-2012, 01:40 AM   #394
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What is your opinion on the four color deck?

I hesitate to mention a refinement to the PPN hand history now that it is functional in holdem as well as Omaha. However, there is a feature some poker sites have available that I like and which deserves mentioning as the 4 color view is not currently available in the PPN hand history. I have seen this done two ways: 1. If the player has selected a four color deck in the general options (as I have done on PPN) then the history would be shown with a four color deck view. Merge network does this. 2. In the history window there is a checkbox for selecting the four color deck view. Cake poker does it this way. (Once this option has been selected it would be used for all future views of the history until unchecked – If you had to choose it every time it would pretty much defeat the purpose of having a history that can be referred to on the fly.)

I am guessing that it might be easier from a programming standpoint to just force the four color deck on all history views. That would accommodate those of us for whom the option is a crutch which slows us down when taken away while it is hard to imagine it being harder for a non-user of the 4 color deck to decipher the view in that mode. On the other hand I can imagine a few purists with an old school approach that would not like it solely for the reason that it is different.

Some historical context: In my limited casino experience, the traditional 2 color deck has always been used. It may be due to consideration for the purists that casinos use 2 color deck. It may be because they use a lot of decks and the 2 color decks probably cost a little less to produce. I suspect that people using a 4 color deck are less likely to make mistakes reading the hands and the board possibilities. More mistakes probably translates into more action; more action means the casino makes more money in rake. I am curious whether the casinos ever use a four color deck in tourneys. I’m guessing they do not but I have never played a casino tourney.

I would say that you might want to avoid forcing the 4 color deck view in history for all players because of a risk of offending even a few purists. But that hasn’t stopped the TV poker programs. Many TV poker show use a 2 color deck on the table. However, they usually show an additional view of cards for the TV viewers which features the 4 color deck.


Advantages to four color deck: I am less likely to misread the hand, especially relating to flushes. I think this is true even for players with perfect eyesight. It is easier to follow it on TV from across the room, especially if you do not have a big screen TV.

Disadvantage It is a crutch, and if that crutch is taken away, in a casino for instance, I may be more likely to make a mistake than if I had never used the crutch at all.


Anyone want to chime in? Do you use the 4 color deck option? If not, would you mind seeing it in the hand history view without an option to turn it off?

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Old 07-18-2012, 01:59 AM   #395
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One more thing, the promotional web pages are a lot fancier and more informative now. You can also see a format for an in house PPN forum. It looks pretty good but it is not up and running yet.
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Old 07-18-2012, 02:11 AM   #396
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Another fix that has been implemented is that you can now have more tournament lobby windows open at the same time. You used to get a pop up saying you had too many when you tried to open a third window. Now it does not appear until you try to open a fifth window.
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Old 07-18-2012, 02:18 AM   #397
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there are some significant updates at https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...06/index2.html
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Old 07-18-2012, 08:40 AM   #398
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When I signed up in May 2011, the chat rooms seemed to be more active while the games were going on. A couple of the players even did a play-by-play internet broadcast during some of the freerolls. Several players were in a PPN Skype group. Just seems like the delay in getting this version of PPN up and running correctly has kept many away.
That's because chat was prominently displayed on the home lobby for the old (Cake version) PPN. Now it's hidden in a menu item.
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Any news about the merge and the thousands of new players to come?
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