Anyone of you can give me your e-mail and I'll gladly e-mail you all of the chipdumps that I witnessed.

How long do Skrill withdrawals take on here?

as i said, i did email you and you sent me a single pic. it is more accurate to say it was the lower left quadrant of a pic showing only some chat. As i also said, i have very little concern about chip dumping, why do you? If you have proof of chip dumping you should send it to PPN. I'm sure they would want to put an end to it.

chip dumping may be wrong but it is not fraud and i don't see why i should care. do you even play on the site? I suspect you of ulterior motives.

I imagine you would you feel differently if someone hacked your account and was chip dumping the funds. Or if your CC information was compromised and had been used to deposit and was then chip dumped. Ignoring it because it doesn't affect you directly is like ignoring the car thief who is stealing someone else's car.

That's just a general comment that probably doesn't apply here since I believe the poster was suggesting the site is somehow involved in this situation.

If there is one thing that is not in question, now nor has ever been or will be in the future it is the integrity of the Creator/Owner of PPN. One must always remember that Chuck is a processor for the industry and as such has at times had to ban players from using his services because of chip dumping, fraud, collusion, cheating etc. not just because it is wrong but also because by contract with the poker rooms he must ban a player at their request.

This has led to a few distractors who see him as the bad guy because they were banned from his processing sites which means the player cannot deposit on any poker room in his system. Effectively black listing him as again by contract that info is shared by all poker rooms. If a player will cheat at one room he will do it at others and we don't want him playing anywhere.

This has led to Chucks name and his companys being dragged through the mud on forums without the 1st piece of evidence by people he has pissed off. You can't please everyone, you can only try.

If someone has proof of chip dumping all that they have to do is send it to us. Our security team will review it and deal with it as required.

Gio

Are my only withdrawal options WU/MG and is it possible to withdraw less than $200?

EDIT: Also, I saw this in the T&C:

"16. Any amount withdrawn by the Player shall be forwarded to the Player within seven (7) days of the withdraw pending the results of satisfactory anti-fraud processes. Funds can be withdrawn via check, wire transfer or other methods that may be offered. We reserve the right to request additional forms of identification before sending a withdrawal. All deposits must be rolled over one time before any withdrawal requests are made. If a player account is closed for cause or a withdrawal is demanded and made before the Terms & Conditions are met, all bonus money paid will be forfeited as well as any money earned by wagering will be forfeited."

Am I correct in assuming that even if I REQUEST a withdrawal before I "roll over" my deposit I will forfeit this money? How am I supposed to know how much of my deposit I have played through? Also, why can't I withdraw MY MONEY any time I want to? If I'm getting this correct this seems a bit silly and I really wish I hadn't skimmed through it initially.

I agree this is harsh. I have never heard of any "reputable" (and i use that term loosely) poker site limiting withdrawal other than for unearned bonus. It sounds like it was written by someone who hasn't played much online poker.

I suggest you email support with your question. You will likely get a quicker answer, and definitely a more reliable one if you do.

+1 Well said Bobo. Cheating and fraud in online poker is bad for all players. Implying its fine as long as its not you being defrauded is really an ignorant attitude that quite frankly tilts me. Its similar to the posters that cant understand why bots are bad for poker because the one they played against was not taking money from them. Forrest/Trees FTW.

I'm sorry. You are completely correct. I didn't even bother to even google the varying consequences of chip dumping, which I now have. I am less ignorant now. No good can come of chip dumping and a lot of bad can come of it. Thanks for enlightening me.

However, I have no reason to believe it has happened, based on one report. It does not deserve repeating and if PPN says they will check it out is good enough for me. Before publicly saying such a bad act has occured the accuser should report it to the site.

Indy, you seem to be one of the more active players on this site. Is the traffic increasing any? Is it possible to get a couple of tables going if you varied your stakes? For example, if I deposited and was content on playing NL25-NL100 till I built up my roll how many tables would be running at once most times of the day?

I have not noticed a marked increase in cash game traffic but i have no statistics on that, i'm just guessing. Sadly the only NL table that occassionally gets much action is the.05/.10 table. There was some play on the .10/.25 table the other day. That's as high as i have noticed.

You can always piddle away some time playing me heads up on the mini fixed limit omaha tables where you can play enough to get you in the weekly race events. I would probably get more play on micro FL holdem table but they have repeatly ignored my request for a smaller FL than 0.30/0.60. You don't see many forum posters admit to playing such low limits but those players who do deserve a voice too - don't you agree?

On the pathetic slightly brighter side, a cash tourney (non sit n go) actually ran for the first time last night. There were 17 players for the 10 minimum $25 guarantee tourney last night. Houray!!! There was an $8 overlay, not counting the $0.25 tourney fee.

You are right. I was ignorant about that. I am slightly less ignorant about why bots are bad, I just know i don't like them. I think the bot problem is beside the point though as i don't have any reason to believe PPN uses them. You can never have enough dissing of bots in my view, so do tell, why do you dislike bots?

Apparently they do have a "house player", and yes, i actually looked up the term before spouting off this time . I am not comfortable with having a house player at the cash tables. I certainly see no reason to have him in the freerolls, although I have nothing to lose by it. They do exclude him from playing in the rake race events, for which i am grateful

Thank you PPN for adding the 6 player FL .10.20 holdem table ("Venice") I requested.

My post wasnt really directed at you Indy, I was just speaking more in general. But to answer your bot question, bots are very bad for only poker for numerous reasons.

A common, but I believed flawed view by many posters here, is that only really good bots are bad. The line of thought goes something like this, "Those bots are exploitable!! Why would I care if a Bot plays and gives me free money?". This line tilts me because it is myopic to say the very least. Bots hurt the image of online poker. For years our enemies have painted online poker as a sort of wild west environment that was full of scams, cheating, and corruption. Bots are used to fuel that argument. This not only hurts us in our battle for future legitimacy, but also has a direct impact on poker players financially right now.

Many recreational players that are fine losing money to humans, just for the entertainment value, will be far less inclined to play if they know there are poker robots on the sites hell bent on taking their money.

Also, the reality is that even marginal break even bots that might very well be viewed as highly exploitable to many 2+2 members, hold a significant edge over a lot of recreational players. They might not be crushing any games but they are doing well enough to take money out of the fragile poker economy thus costing all of us money with their cheating.

Sometimes its good to think a little deeper about this imo rather than just, I love bots!! I played against one that folded to my min 3bet every hand the other night!!!!!

Also, for the record, not all bots suck. There are some very good bots. Veteran online Limit players can attest to this. When I say good I mean bots that can crush small and medium Limit holdem stakes. There are also some pretty good NL bots and they are getting better.

Thanks by the way for the updates on the state of the games Indy.

Any action on here lately?

no change except that a $25 gurantee tourney that had enough players (10) to run has run again for at least the second time this week, each time with an overlay.

there is a $150 guarantee tourney in about 8 hours with 3 signed up already.You can find it under the Special/Guaranteed tab. It has a proportionally smaller overlay possible but the tourney fee is 10% ($1)instead of the 25% ($0.25) collected on the $1 entry for the $25 guarantee.

Action is about to pick up. Our network is being joined by some rooms leaving the Everleaf Network. I will announce their names this weekend in a Press release. They will bring about 3000 players into our system.

Stick with us we are growing.

This has me excited in hope that one of the rooms joining your network is the room that has my cash. Regardless, it will be nice to see you guys add an influx of players to give Americans another viable option. I hope everything goes well for you guys.

Why are there two guarantee tourneys with the same start time? As glitchy as the auto seating (and other aspects of getting in and staying in tourneys) has been this seems like a bad idea. Just last night I was booted from the final table of the Friday night freeroll and couldn't get back in. The more tourneys i'm in the more glitchy it gets. Why push my luck, i need that for the poker tables.

Don't tell me they fixed the tourney glitches or they are being fixed. We all know how many times we have been told that just to find that the latest update were ineffective, made things worse or brought back a glitch that we thought had been fixed.

With the expected influx of new players, why take a chance of alienating them. For some perverse reason, there are few regulars on this site who have stuck around despite all the woes. Don't expect that from these new players. After one or two times getting booted from a tourney with a weird "break interval = zero" warning these new players will be gone.

That is great news. I played everleaf for several years. I hope we don't get just the skins with a lot of disenfranched USA players. Everleaf picked up a lot of european players in recent years. If you read the everleaf thread from 6 months or a year ago you will find a predominant opinion that their Italian players are fast and loose with their money.

+1. I have money stuck on MintedPoker, which was of one of their bigger skins. Unfortunately the skins did not have independent accounting so i am skeptical about whether the individual skins can get them to release the funds of American players. They seem unwilling to let go of those funds.

I was also kicked from the Friday freeroll and could open a cash table but was unable to get back to the tourney. It would make the client crash if i did. But the results were there this morning when i opened PPN.
How many tables can we play at once? It would only let me open two lobbies.

This is awesome. When are you going to make the announcement, and when are the new skins going live?

Here are incentive based ideas to increase participation in cash games and tourneys (perhaps even for SNG's) :

1. In the weekly freeroll for the top 25 rakers of the week, give everyone a starting 500 chips and add 10 chips for every rake point.


2. Use a similar scheme for the as yet unannouced changes to the tournament point leaderboard events.

3. Instead of the weekly playoffs against Chuck just award guaranteed cash prizes for the top rakers (perhaps still have the number one raker play chuck for some extra cash).

4. Limit the Sunday $100 freeroll to players who have played at least 100 cash game hands, or raked hands or 100 rake points, or who have contributed at least a dollar of rake paid, whatever is easiest to implement. I prefer the first three options because those stats are readily available to players under the tab for Game/Statistics/Rake Statistics. They could still have a $10 pure freeroll on Sunday for the freeloaders.

Opinions?

Did you mean next weekend?