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07-01-2013 , 01:27 PM
uuuppppppp I sense a challenge match coming on here.

ww vs qu headsup

settle this the old fashion way.

((( RETIRED ENGINEER VS R-O-A-D-M-A-P )))
07-01-2013 , 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by morphingbuildups
For just over 500k hands on Merge I played 25NL with no BBJ/Rake Race and grinded out a wind rate of 3.88bb/100hands. Here, there are solid grinders at 25NL, but after 175k hand within the last two months, my PT4 does not have even one player with a +/bb winrate. So even factoring in RB to the winrates about (4bb/100 for a 22VPIP tag) doesnt leave a +. The lowest winrate for regs at this level is around -5bb/100 hands. The Best makes up for it if you you place top 20. But no matter what style you play/ with recreational play at 25NL will not boast a + winrate.

With rakeback and only playing 50NL I think a positive winrate is obtainable. There are less Cap tables there so when you do win a big pot there is +EV and less % of rake. I will find out next month tho. Good luck everyone.
ya i figured NL25 is near impossible to beat unless you are 10bb/100.

I guess the best way to build a bankroll if your under $3,000 is to play tourneys?
07-01-2013 , 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by djevans
ya i figured NL25 is near impossible to beat unless you are 10bb/100.

I guess the best way to build a bankroll if your under $3,000 is to play tourneys?
Does the rake structure suck on wpn? Hell yeah.

Is it impossible to build a roll at 50nl and down? Hell no.
07-01-2013 , 02:31 PM
Kudos to morphingbuildups, djevans, and rocketragz for trying to get this thread back on track. Enough of the software engineering talk. You guys don’t agree, end of story. Back to poker.
07-01-2013 , 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by rocketragz
Does the rake structure suck on wpn? Hell yeah.

Is it impossible to build a roll at 50nl and down? Hell no.
I did an analysis of the data I had (HU microstakes, no short tables, no BBJ tables), I'd have to agree:



It's horrific and (IMO) predatory but not insurmountable.

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Originally Posted by Tropics
Kudos to morphingbuildups, djevans, and rocketragz for trying to get this thread back on track. Enough of the software engineering talk. You guys don’t agree, end of story. Back to poker.
Sorry, my bad. It was getting pretty stale and went on way longer than it should have.

Are there any sites which reveal anything about the new software?
07-01-2013 , 05:12 PM
Is there a fix for the tournament register button not working?

With search I saw that others were having this problem, but I wasn't able to find a fix.

TY
07-01-2013 , 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by █████
Small question for the BlackChipPoker rep: I randomly noticed your site's name showing up in the log files of some website. An example, slightly censored for privacy: I guess you install some Internet Explorer toolbar/plugin/whatever other crapware when someone installs your client, but I wonder why you'd want to use that to announce to every site your users visit that they use your poker site? Seems like a bit of a privacy issue to me, considering they might visit sites of their employers or whatever.

For non-technical people: when your browser requests a page, image or other file from a web site, it tells the site what operating system and browser you use. In this example, those would be Windows NT 6.0 (Vista) and MSIE 7.0. BlackChipPoker seemingly adds its site name to that for users of Internet Explorer, for whatever reason. This means that every web site visited by a BlackChipPoker user with Internet Explorer can see that they have BCP installed.

I've seen this BlackChipPoker useragent for various different IPs/Windows versions/IE versions, so it doesn't seem to be a fluke. Google also agrees, and some results show that it also adds it to the Outlook user agent:
https://www.google.com/search?q=blackchippoker+"user+agent"

So my questions to you: why are you doing this (telling every site a user visits that they play online poker at BlackChipPoker), do you think those reasons outweigh a user's right to privacy, and did your users agree to this in your T&C?
Any response to this? Should this be posted in the WPN forum as its own topic?
07-01-2013 , 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by COKE_MAN
Any response to this? Should this be posted in the WPN forum as its own topic?

Well they never answered the questions here,

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/21...sites-1342032/,

you really think they're going to answer this one?
07-01-2013 , 08:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by quux
I did an analysis of the data I had (HU microstakes, no short tables, no BBJ tables), I'd have to agree:



It's horrific and (IMO) predatory but not insurmountable.



Sorry, my bad. It was getting pretty stale and went on way longer than it should have.

Are there any sites which reveal anything about the new software?
so ur telling me - that even @ NL50 you need 8bb/100 just to break even???

Wow.... So you really want to be playing NL100+++ so the rake doesn't destroy you?
07-01-2013 , 10:01 PM
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Originally Posted by djevans
so ur telling me - that even @ NL50 you need 8bb/100 just to break even???

Wow.... So you really want to be playing NL100+++ so the rake doesn't destroy you?
Don't pay attention to that clown...he does not know how rake is figured and how max rake per hand works, plus he is mixing in the BBJP and the Beast take, he is just data mining and does not even play... and does not even know what rakeback is...he just likes the attention to his idiotic posts...the guy does not even play poker.
07-01-2013 , 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by wwwin
Don't pay attention to that clown...he does not know how rake is figured and how max rake per hand works, plus he is mixing in the BBJP and the Beast take, he is just data mining and does not even play... and does not even know what rakeback is...he just likes the attention to his idiotic posts...the guy does not even play poker.
i mean i know you need 9pt/100 BB to beat NL25.

edit - this is BBJ table of course
07-01-2013 , 10:56 PM
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Originally Posted by djevans
i mean i know you need 9pt/100 BB to beat NL25.

edit - this is BBJ table of course
That may be the case at BBJ tables, which I don't play. But he says no BBJ tables, and he only did on HU Play. He also does not take into account how your style of play affects rake. In addition for VIP players is dealt and for rakeback players is contributed rakeback. Those graphs are worthless and misleading.

Last edited by wwwin; 07-01-2013 at 11:23 PM.
07-01-2013 , 11:17 PM
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Originally Posted by djevans
so ur telling me - that even @ NL50 you need 8bb/100 just to break even???
According to my data, yes.

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Originally Posted by wwwin
That may be the case at BBJ tables, which I don't play. But he says no BBJ tables, and he only did on HU Play.
That is correct, HU only, the graph title specifically states this. I have data for 6max and FR, I just haven't bothered to process it.

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He also does not take into account how your style of play affects rake...
This is true. I filtered for each limit and simply divided the total Rake Attributed by the total Hands for every player in my db for that limit.

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...and lumps together NL and Limit games .
Negative, my data is for NL only. That's my mistake, I did not state that anywhere so thanks for bringing it up, I'll make sure to include that in future mentions.

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Originally Posted by wwwin
Don't pay attention to that clown...he does not know how rake is figured...
Perhaps, but I expect the people at PokerTracker do.

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...how max rake per hand works...
The column I used was "Rake Attributed." Can someone confirm this is the right column?

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...plus he is mixing in the BBJP and the Beast take...
Incorrect. My data collection method explicitly avoids opening BBJ tables and, if one is opened by accident, it is closed immediately. So it's possible one or two hands snuck in there but it'd be a tiny amount and the effect would be less than nominal.

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...he is just data mining and does not even play...
Incorrect. I play the 2NL HU cash games.

It's also not relevant.

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...and does not even know what rakeback is...
win, would you mind taking this feud to PM? I won't reply but if you feel the urge to get it out of your system, that's the place to do it.

If you have sincere questions about whether what I write is accurate, I'm happy to address it (and correct it if needed) but the mudslinging is now beyond the pale and really, nobody is interested.

And the mods have VERY politely suggested that we move on. I think it'd be a wise idea to take their advice.
07-01-2013 , 11:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Curtlow
Well they never answered the questions here,

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/21...sites-1342032/,

you really think they're going to answer this one?
good point
07-02-2013 , 03:43 PM
Hey Quux would you mind posting the bar charts for 6max/ Fl. Do you have data on 100NL?


Thank you sir
07-02-2013 , 06:06 PM
I'm having an issue that I hope a BCP Rep can help me with:

I have my rakeback affiliate set up through PASolutions/DeucesCracked. The linking of my accounts was complete over a week ago and yet my MGR/RB has not updated at all. It's still listed at $0.00 even though I've definitely raked a bit in that time.

I messaged VIP@blackchippoker.eu and have not yet heard a response.

Can someone please help me with this? If there's going to be a problem with PASolutions, I'll switch my RB affiliate over through DragTheBar - which definitely should work since you sponsor them.

Thanks
07-02-2013 , 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Nostalgia3182
I'm having an issue that I hope a BCP Rep can help me with:

I have my rakeback affiliate set up through PASolutions/DeucesCracked. The linking of my accounts was complete over a week ago and yet my MGR/RB has not updated at all. It's still listed at $0.00 even though I've definitely raked a bit in that time.

I messaged VIP@blackchippoker.eu and have not yet heard a response.

Can someone please help me with this? If there's going to be a problem with PASolutions, I'll switch my RB affiliate over through DragTheBar - which definitely should work since you sponsor them.

Thanks
Hi,

Please don't make any further changes to your account. If you are getting tracked to DC/PAS that's fine, it takes some time for the tracking to occur, and then for RB to be activated, and then for Your RB tracking to commence. If you have any questions about it, please email vip@blackchippoker.eu and Louisa will be able to help you OR talk with PAS and they will get in touch with us.

It may take up to 24 hours to get a reply from VIP Support at times, but usually you will get a response in less than eight hours.

Kind regards,
BlackChipRep.
07-02-2013 , 06:27 PM
Thanks for the response.

I won't make any further changes. I'l leave it as is and see what happens but the only reason I even posted here about it is that it's been several days since the linking of the accounts was established. I received notification of this on DC.
07-03-2013 , 12:18 AM
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Originally Posted by morphingbuildups
Hey Quux would you mind posting the bar charts for 6max/ Fl. Do you have data on 100NL?
I can but I'm in Bar Harbor, Maine at the moment, should be back on the 4th, can probably post by the following day.

All my data is 2NL-50NL, non-BBJ, non-short tables. I have HU, 6max and FR.

I can possibly chop it up by something like VPIP/PFR/AFq etc if that's useful.

I'll post it here unless a mod takes issue.
07-03-2013 , 12:55 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by quux
I can but I'm in Bar Harbor, Maine at the moment, should be back on the 4th, can probably post by the following day.

All my data is 2NL-50NL, non-BBJ, non-short tables. I have HU, 6max and FR.

I can possibly chop it up by something like VPIP/PFR/AFq etc if that's useful.

I'll post it here unless a mod takes issue.
You started the below thread a little while ago. It seems to me that this debate should go in that thread for the sake of keeping the support thread tidy:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...poker-1343910/
07-03-2013 , 11:07 AM
the sports betting section is down until noon today because of a "major upgrade."

could be good news... or it could be nothing.
07-03-2013 , 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Scherer716
the sports betting section is down until noon today because of a "major upgrade."

could be good news... or it could be nothing.
I catch your drift but then you would think poker would be down as well, you know?

I'll keep my fingers crossed.
07-03-2013 , 03:24 PM
I thought I saw a post saying that there will be changes to the tournament schedule, but I can't find it now. Is that true?

Also if so, will the changes include a change in the current payout structure for tournaments? As of now the % of people payed in tournaments is way too high creating a much smaller prize up top.

For example I am currently in a 6rebuy 1k GTD. 52 entrants and 12 get paid. paying out 23% is crazy high. Paying around 15% would create a lot more money for placing in the top 3 which I believe would also be much more attractive to players.
07-03-2013 , 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Nostalgia3182
Thanks for the response.

I won't make any further changes. I'l leave it as is and see what happens but the only reason I even posted here about it is that it's been several days since the linking of the accounts was established. I received notification of this on DC.
^

Just to keep things up to date: I have received, and continue to receive, fantastic customer support via email regarding this issue.

+1 to BCP.
07-03-2013 , 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Nostalgia3182
I catch your drift but then you would think poker would be down as well, you know?

I'll keep my fingers crossed.
ya, true.

the "major upgrade" seems to be nothing more than adding "usa elections" + "entertainment" + "cycling" and a few other categories. i havent been in the sports book in like a week, so those categories could have been there before this update.

      
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