This.

Regarding CAP: There obviously is a problem if only SN/SNE can be profitable at those games. Games need recreational players to run, and what better way there is to have players return than have them actually make profit from time to times?

I think its pretty hilarious when people are like "well the reps got this for us". Do you seriously think a multi billion dollar company was going to fly a couple reps down and absolutely strong arm them and change nothing? Stars knew exactly how the meeting was going to go down. It would of been bad publicity if they flew community reps down and did nothing. Which in turn would hurt their bottom line more. There was no negotiations. Stars knew what they would change and what you would ask. They prepared the data,whether it to be skewed or not, to herd you into believing why they could do this or couldnt do that. They knew before the meeting what they would change. They could just read the 2+2 thread to see what was going to be asked and decide then. The meeting was for show.

I'm sure it was fun and all seeing the inside of their company. It even sounds like they treated you so nicely that you basically switched sides.(Must of been the Pizza as everyone says). Just don't be so naive as to the outcome wasn't predetermined.

+1

It kind of seems to me that a ton of the people that are actually influenced enough by pros to create an account are going to end up exactly where they are directed by the advertising in most jurisdictions --> .net.

.net is huge and it doesn't help if with all the advertising out there that's as far as they get. Pick a relative few faces of the site (DN, Isildur, Barry, Moneymaker, Rousso etc) and funnel the rest of those paychecks towards converting players through some sort of play to real money mechanism that's not a sat to a sat to a sat to a freeroll for peanuts.

At best with their current marketing and conversion techniques, they'll drive a few players into the MTT stream, but there is absolutely nothing to convert players to real money cash despite having a **** ton of play cash tables.

I was going to run TST on the play money tables to see just how many there are but after letting it run for 10 minutes, I'm approximately 20% down the lobby with 860 tables and 6740 seats on 6max and FR tables so I would estimate there are probably 4300 tables and 33,700 seats running right now making Stars.net the second or third largest poker room in the world by a mile depending on Zynga (pokerscout has .com at 50,800 cash seats right now).

If you could convert even 5% of those players into .com players every year by redirecting that pro money into conversion programs more efficiently, it would be well worth it. Everyone already thinks Pokerstars when they hear the term online poker. The bigger than ever advertising campaign is kind of overkill when all they do is end up at .net, costing you more by paying a ton of support staff for them as a result.

Real freerolls running around the clock with double digit cash payouts, Playstar FPPs for a 10k chip contribution to the pot trading at $0.001/FPP for a 1000 FPP $1 instant bonus, heck, just giving them a couple dollars each every month to try out 2NL would be better than paying an army of unheard of pros since their conversion methods are admittedly lacking.

It doesn't really help throwing good money after bad when the current method isn't working. It's not like the next lesser known than the rest but better known than the next guy after him is going to actually be the key to making this better. When I started out I was terrified of real money and there's not a chance that I'd even have made it through my first 3 months without uninstalling if I hadn't happened to bink a couple of well paying freerolls on UB and Purple Lounge back in ~'05 where they were running every hour or two, no sat required, and paying in the $10-$20 range with a $30-$40 prizepool.

/play money derail in the SNE thread

Many play money players cannot legally play for money. And there are undoubtedly certain legal restrictions on exactly what Stars can offer on the freeplay sites before it crosses the line into gambling.

Barring the obvious legal restrictions, would freerolls and money added to their accounts not qualify as prizes/sweepstakes and gifts?

They would still have to download and agree to the .com ToC before being able to access their gifts and make the choice to gamble with them.

Are you 4 srs?




There's just so many problems here.


First of all, when you all came back, you said these were the concessions that they were giving for the 1.5% (a total bs number that makes no ****ing sense) difference profit. That means there is no need for any more added rake on any (ANY) levels. But instead they gave us some BS proposition they already tried to pass and we said we don't want.............. and then they added rake to this, plus higher limits, plus changed it from incremental to % based rake.

Seriously... I'm not mad you all for this, it was going to happen anyways. But I am pissed off that you all were duped by this, continue to be duped by this, and are continuing to defend this piece of bs. Seriously get a grip, you didn't do this, PS did and made it sound like it was your idea so they could blame it on you. Hold them accountable, quit dragging yourself through the mud.

The reps went over there and spent a long period of time with stars discussing numerous things. At the end of it all Stars made some changes. Maybe not perfect for everyone at this point but some positive changes none the less.

In the future they have promised other meetings so things that are not yet right can be addressed then.

I will say well done to Stars for bothering with this at all and well done to the reps for bothering on everyones behalf.

At the end of the day, the change to WC makes things fairer. I am SNE and stand to lose a ***** load of money because of the change but maybe now that has been offset a bit because of these meetings.

To say Stars was stitching the reps up is just pure madness. That belongs in the x-files.

They have made changes to rake to benefit the games long term and have now compensated some of the players who were losing out. I would expect more changes in the future e.g. 5 handed rake etc.

So well done to the reps that went over there. A big thankyou from me for bothering.

The only problem you now have is that you are going to be spending 10 hours a day for the next 6 months arguing with people on here. At some point you are going to have to stop replying and get back to enjoying life. You did your bit, now let others take over for the next meeting. There certainly wont be a queue wanting to represent everyone having seen the abuse you lot are taking for trying to help. Good luck to you all.

Azimut 85:

No.

Hi, does anybody has stats how many players are usually logged in on given hour ?
I saw on pokerscout that there are daily stats but I am interested in average for every given time of the day.

So the reps decided to increase 5 handed rake cap when that was the issue that pissed most people off more than anything else about Stars initial changes? You've got to be kidding...

How about you ask the developers of tableninja and the other softwares to automaticly sitout when tables are only 5 handed?
If enough regs start with this the tables will break and Stars will rake less which in turn will force them to change the 5 handed rake...

I thought that people were pissed that rake increased in many games. In most of those games rake has now decreased or increased much less.

Tell me you had a head start for relocating at the beginning of the year? Cause otherwise that's bat**** insane

Had a 300k headstart

For those who had a head start relocating, how long did it take for stars to credit your vpps/switch your vip status after your account was unlocked?

Is anyone else having trouble logging in right now? I enter my password and the prompt for entering the RSA key is not showing up...

pretty much instant

Hmm hope mine is soon was unlocked this morning and I haven't gotten changed yet/havent answered my emails

It is back up and running worked right after they sent a support e-mail back lol. I already tried restarting the client several times and my PC and that did not work before. PS probably just had to reset something...

Came on here to ask the same question. Can't get the RSA prompt.

Earlier today i tried a few times and got it. Then got disconnected mid session. Came back on and played for a while, then realized I couldnt check cashier OR join new tables cuz stars said incorrect nick and tried to get me to login, WHILE playing. Now cant login at all

*edit* ok it worked now, I restarted the client about 5 times and managed to get it. Hope it wont keep happening.

yup I'm having the same problem

My RSA just worked fine, just missing my sne status when i log in

who should i email to report supersonic_h for joining tables and only playing his button then leaving? ive seen him doing this for the past couple days now when 2 players are about to start playing heads up on both 6 and 9 handed tables.

he's also german, which does nothing to give me confidence that less than 99% of them are just scum.

I would send a message to pokerstars chris on 2+2 if you haven't yet.

Just did, Ty