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04-22-2011 , 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Henry17
I tried to look into what qualifies as an exit before and I was never able to find anything actually solid on it.

My understanding is that just stepping over the boarder and then coming back is sufficient but the Canadian boarder can reject you if you looking suspicious so I wouldn't do that.

If this was pre 9-11 I would say don't even worry as no one is keeping track. Now they likely are putting in more effort. That being said the Canadian government is just a make work project for people too ******ed to work retail under normal circumstances. They are too lazy to put much effort into monitoring or doing anything about people who shouldn't be here.

One important thing that should be made clear is that Canadian income tax is based on residency while US tax is based on citizenship. If you spend more than six months in Canada you will be considered a resident under the Tax Act. This makes for a complicated tax situation.
True but as others have stated Canada doesn't necessarily tax poker winnings anyway right? Anyway I am a little curious what I would say as for my reason when I kept crossing back and forth over the border. Some people have expressed that they don't think saying "My government won't let me play poker so I'm temporarily setup in Canada playing online poker" would go over well. I wonder if there is some kind of immigration number one could call to find out about this 6 months thing. I guess if I don't hear anything in a few days I'll start searching around. I've never messed with this before though so I'm not sure where to start but it seems like it would be a pretty standard question as to what constitutes leaving the country and when one could return without a Visa.
04-22-2011 , 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by fluorescenthippo
i converted some fpps to cash right after accounts were locked and then i converted the rest once i heard cashouts would soon be processed. am i the only one this is working for?

I have 116.35 left can i buy anything?
No, unless you have a Stellar Reward coming (1FPP). The cheapest thing I could find was mints for 600.
04-22-2011 , 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by MellowYellow
yeah steve told me "of course we wont take away vip status during this"

I've been weighing my options for the week and still seem to be leaning toward Canada, I was a bit disappointed that the VIP email I just got from Gareth saying that we were getting our funds as soon as they found a processor then said, "likely in several weeks"

Still much better than Neteller when that went down but I was definitely hoping to get up and going before June if not sooner. That's not realistic for me though until I can withdraw, I'm pretty much busto irl.

Anyway though I've been reading the speculation about the banks and thanks to the one link it looks like a US passport and US driver's license should be enough to get an account open, but what about the whole "6 months in Canada without a visa".

Does anyone know how that works or a site they could point me to? I have friends and family only about 1.5 hours south of Canada so I would probably be leaving for a few days every 2 weeks minimum. Does this 6 months reset every time you leave? Does it have to be a certain amount of time you're gone for? How would they even know I was residing there?

Like if I go up for say 3 weeks, come back down for 4 days go back for 1 week down for 2 days etc the whole time it seems like if they were tracking that at the border it would look like I was just visiting and going back and forth (which I would be). It might look a little suspicious for drug activity but I've been searched by Canadian border patrol before, no biggie just slows you down an hour.



I have no clue why we don't use PINs on credit cards, it isnt like the technology isn't there it definitely is, we've had Pins on debit cards forever, it's just their choice I guess, we only use PINs on CCs for getting cash advances. I've always thought the signing aspect of a credit card was weak security, but as said you report it stolen and you get your money back. It happened to me once and my money was back in no time with practically no questions asked, it made me think about 'fake stealing' from myself tbh.
How to apply for a temporary Canadian resident visa"

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/visit/apply-how.asp
04-22-2011 , 06:01 PM
anyone else having problems depositing with their credit card for the reload bonus?
04-22-2011 , 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Michael Davis
WRT to the questions about American credit cards, yes, European merchants are required to take them. No, they don't always take them. Much like merchants in the United States are not allowed to have a minimum amount required to use a credit card, yet you see signs that say "$10 minimum" everywhere.

In Europe, credit cards have pin numbers attached to them. Your American credit cards will not work in the machines that process credit in Europe unless the merchant changes the machine to accept American cards and require a signature. This is not hard to do, but if you are off the beaten tourist path at all, it is not easy to convince them to do it. Also, you will sometimes get surcharged 10% for using a "foreign credit card," which really applies only to American cards.

The reason most of Europe went to this system is because of fraud. In the United States, the companies have decided that changing up the entire system is not cost effective, so yes, we are absolutely using inferior technology as 90%+ of credit card fraud would be eliminated by requiring pin numbers. To the guy who said American cards have pin numbers, lol you. And to the guy who flamed me for "bailing my country out of wars" or whatever, lol you.

So yeah, you can use your cards, it's a huge pain in the butt and be prepared to sometimes have to use a debit card or whatever. Just be aware that the one place where you will have no success using these cards is in automated machines, so always make sure you have some other way to pay for train tickets, subway tickets, etc., which are often fully automated.
i dont know which countries you are talking about but I havent needed my PIN even once, it is all signature in Austria, Germany and Italy
04-22-2011 , 06:07 PM
Just putting in my 2c on what I've researched (a lot in the last few days).

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Originally Posted by MellowYellow
Anyway though I've been reading the speculation about the banks and thanks to the one link it looks like a US passport and US driver's license should be enough to get an account open, but what about the whole "6 months in Canada without a visa".

The letter of the law is 180 days in a 365 day period without a visa. So, theoretically, if you stay 15 days a month and return for the rest, you could keep going back and forth indefinitely.

Does anyone know how that works or a site they could point me to? I have friends and family only about 1.5 hours south of Canada so I would probably be leaving for a few days every 2 weeks minimum. Does this 6 months reset every time you leave? Does it have to be a certain amount of time you're gone for? How would they even know I was residing there?

6 months does not reset, see above. I don't know what they check or how accurate of records they keep, but I would assume it is all stored in a database nowadays and they can determine it pretty quickly. There's no certain amount of time to be gone, but border guards can deny people entry at their own discretion.
I think that going back and forth every month is going to raise red flags of you working or permanently residing in Canada, and I think you will eventually get denied.

I know they can stamp you for only a certain period, say 2 weeks, or they may not give you a period at all which means the rolling 180 days are in effect. But if you tell them you are staying for several months, they are going to want to know where you are staying, and they are going to want proof of financials to support yourself for that time frame.

It isn't going to be as easy as it sounds, imo. Especially if you want to travel back and forth a lot.
04-22-2011 , 06:12 PM
"Why is it so shocking that the government is suddenly enforcing the LAW. This is like an organized crime figure saying they are surprised that they are being charged. Well at least now some of these degenerate "professional" poker players might have to get out of the house. I wonder if these "professionals" just paid the taxes on there "income" I'm guessing not, so hopefully the IRS will get involved and collect. Hey Feds KEEP there money a law is a law, and they made their bed let them sleep in it."
04-22-2011 , 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Boston919395
"Why is it so shocking that the government is suddenly enforcing the LAW. This is like an organized crime figure saying they are surprised that they are being charged. Well at least now some of these degenerate "professional" poker players might have to get out of the house. I wonder if these "professionals" just paid the taxes on there "income" I'm guessing not, so hopefully the IRS will get involved and collect. Hey Feds KEEP there money a law is a law, and they made their bed let them sleep in it."
Hey, would you mind getting the **** out?
04-22-2011 , 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by MicroBob
Huh? There are lots of non-citizens in the U.S. who pay income tax.
Yes because they are working in the United States. Canadians don't pay tax if they are not residents. If a Canadian moves to a different country he doesn't have to pay Canadian income tax but that is not necessarily true if a US citizen moves out of the States.

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Originally Posted by MellowYellow
True but as others have stated Canada doesn't necessarily tax poker winnings anyway right?
No. Poker is taxable for professional players. There is zero question about that. Where it becomes iffy is what constitutes a professional. Moving to Canada to play though would be a pretty solid case for someone being a professional player. CRA is staffed by morons though so they generally don't bother poker players unless you do something to draw attention to yourself.

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I would ask someone more knowledgeable about saying I was coming to Canada to play online poker. My gut feeling is that it would be a bad idea. I would ask in the Canadian Tax Topic as there are two Canadian lawyers who actually work and could give you an answer. To me it seems like working in Canada which would be an issue. It might also bring attention to you for income tax purposes.

Canadian GF is the best option that I can think of. They will likely not bother you. If they do they will likely just ask for sufficient documentation that you are financially sound.

I use to cross into the States weekly -- sometimes multiple times a week -- to play at Turning Stone and Akwesasne and there was never an issue.
04-22-2011 , 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Boston919395
"Why is it so shocking that the government is suddenly enforcing the LAW. This is like an organized crime figure saying they are surprised that they are being charged. Well at least now some of these degenerate "professional" poker players might have to get out of the house. I wonder if these "professionals" just paid the taxes on there "income" I'm guessing not, so hopefully the IRS will get involved and collect. Hey Feds KEEP there money a law is a law, and they made their bed let them sleep in it."
I have always paid my taxes, even on income that the IRS would never know about (such as getting cash for a music gig). If the IRS wants to audit players on AP/Stars/FTP, as far as I'm concerned, bring it on! They will see that I keep good records, and that I've always declared cash income, and they'll probably never bother me again.

Yes, a lot of Americans underreport/cheat/commit tax evasion (depending on how you look at it), but I doubt that poker players as a whole are more guilty of that than most other professions.
04-22-2011 , 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by rakes
does anyone else think hirozo is a bot? or is it just me?
im not bot
04-22-2011 , 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Boston919395
"Why is it so shocking that the government is suddenly enforcing the LAW. This is like an organized crime figure saying they are surprised that they are being charged. Well at least now some of these degenerate "professional" poker players might have to get out of the house. I wonder if these "professionals" just paid the taxes on there "income" I'm guessing not, so hopefully the IRS will get involved and collect. Hey Feds KEEP there money a law is a law, and they made their bed let them sleep in it."
Why hasn't a single person been charged with playing online poker as a crime? Because it is legal to play online poker.
04-22-2011 , 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by MostlyBS
Why hasn't a single person been charged with playing online poker as a crime? Because it is legal to play online poker.
legal to play illegal to make deposits
04-22-2011 , 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Jokko
legal to play illegal to make deposits
I haven't read the legislation but I don't believe that is true. The financial institution is the only one doing something illegal by processing the transaction.
04-22-2011 , 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by ANDREX
Hoooray for today being Good Friday! Last Friday was not as Good.

Anyone here looking to move to Australia, and more specifically Sydney? Not looking for a roommate or anything, just wondering. I just applied for a 12-month visa yesterday.
If you or anyone else needs help with finding a place or general information lemme know. Sydney is the nuts (only drawback is very high cost of living) but if you can get in and don't mind paying a lil more then it's a great place to live.

Getting in is the hard part I think.
04-22-2011 , 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Henry17
I haven't read the legislation but I don't believe that is true. The financial institution is the only one doing something illegal by processing the transaction.
ye thats true but without that noone in the US would have been able to deposit on online poker since after 2006
04-22-2011 , 11:06 PM
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Originally Posted by MellowYellow
yeah steve told me "of course we wont take away vip status during this"

I've been weighing my options for the week and still seem to be leaning toward Canada, I was a bit disappointed that the VIP email I just got from Gareth saying that we were getting our funds as soon as they found a processor then said, "likely in several weeks"

Still much better than Neteller when that went down but I was definitely hoping to get up and going before June if not sooner. That's not realistic for me though until I can withdraw, I'm pretty much busto irl.

Anyway though I've been reading the speculation about the banks and thanks to the one link it looks like a US passport and US driver's license should be enough to get an account open, but what about the whole "6 months in Canada without a visa".

Does anyone know how that works or a site they could point me to? I have friends and family only about 1.5 hours south of Canada so I would probably be leaving for a few days every 2 weeks minimum. Does this 6 months reset every time you leave? Does it have to be a certain amount of time you're gone for? How would they even know I was residing there?

Like if I go up for say 3 weeks, come back down for 4 days go back for 1 week down for 2 days etc the whole time it seems like if they were tracking that at the border it would look like I was just visiting and going back and forth (which I would be). It might look a little suspicious for drug activity but I've been searched by Canadian border patrol before, no biggie just slows you down an hour.
This sounds almost identical to my probable plan. I knocked up my girl and really dont wanna live with her so gonna set her up where I live now and do the 2 weeks Canada 1 week in USA plan. Im in northeast Ohio right outside Cleveland now so Niagara, Toronto, or Ontario are all just 3 hours or so away and flights roundtrip r only $350ish.
04-23-2011 , 12:29 AM
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Originally Posted by thecooler992
This sounds almost identical to my probable plan. I knocked up my girl and really dont wanna live with her so gonna set her up where I live now and do the 2 weeks Canada 1 week in USA plan. Im in northeast Ohio right outside Cleveland now so Niagara, Toronto, or Ontario are all just 3 hours or so away and flights roundtrip r only $350ish.
Add me to the list: 21-week pregnant wife... but from DFW - long flight up.

Last edited by 4timmy; 04-23-2011 at 12:36 AM.
04-23-2011 , 01:46 AM
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Originally Posted by 4timmy
Add me to the list: 21-week pregnant wife... but from DFW - long flight up.
Congrats to u and ur wife. With u comin from the Dallas area these northern winters would b a crazy change from ur climate. R u set on Canada or r u still lookin for somethin closer to home?
04-23-2011 , 03:00 AM
Thanks for the visa link!
Hmm... I guess after the weekend I'm going to have to do some serious digging. I keep going through waves of hopefulness followed by hopelessness kind of like variance. I was starting to think it wouldn't be so bad and the 6 month thing not that big a deal, now it's looking pretty bleak. I'll be interested to hear from whoever is the first to relocate to Canada and how easy/hard it was to get going and how sketchy the whole thing seems to them. I definitely don't want to feel like I'm some kind of low budget ghetto international weekend border hopping spy just to continue doing my job.
04-23-2011 , 09:57 AM
I've read damn near every link I could find on that site. I don't really see anything about leaving before the 6 months then coming back again. I did see a listing of lots of offices in the US that deal with temporary visas and work visas etc for Canada. I guess I could just call them and see what they say.
04-23-2011 , 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Pollce State
News? Does England even have a newspaper that doesn't feature what "Kate and Will!" are eating for tea and which soccer star is ****ing a prostitute as it's breaking news? Serious question.

I have a degree in World History, and spent four months in England studying (drinking and flying to Amsterdam on the weekends).

I don't need either of those experiences to know the EU is a joke, and an uppity one at that
Serious question?, and you have a degree. The Independant, The Times, The Telegraph, The Gaurdian,
you must have lived in some kind of chav bubble while you were there.
04-23-2011 , 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by MellowYellow
I've read damn near every link I could find on that site. I don't really see anything about leaving before the 6 months then coming back again. I did see a listing of lots of offices in the US that deal with temporary visas and work visas etc for Canada. I guess I could just call them and see what they say.
It isn't there. I looked a little over a year ago for a unrelated reason and it is nowhere on the site.
04-23-2011 , 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Henry17
It isn't there. I looked a little over a year ago for a unrelated reason and it is nowhere on the site.
I guess I will just call the office on monday and see what they say.





Oh and did anyone else get the email from the PPA a few days ago?

PPA members have won a great victory by coming together and letting our elected officials know we will hold them accountable for their actions. We need to keep up the pressure so please act today!


I'm not going to lie and pretend that I know how this all went down, but I have a hard time believing the government buckled because of the PPA's pressure in 1 business day. And man... calling this a great victory just doesn't seem like correct wording imo...
04-23-2011 , 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Roy
Getting in is the hard part I think.
That's what she said.

I'm browsing the real estate websites already from here, so hopefully will be contacting the agents soon (I did this whole process back in 09). I hate Optus btw, they are so slow. Hopefully no 1-2 week waiting for Internet to be set up. If/when I end up coming, we should def meet up!

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