^ Thinly veiled brag that you make 2300 VPPs an hour.

Damn. How do you swing that? I make something like 300/hr currently, SNE would be a piece of cake at 2300/hr. :-/

We would need to know what your VPP/hour is and the amount of hours a week you plan on having free in order to answer this question. For instance, if you make 200 VPPs an hour that volume is impossible; likewise, if you make 2000 VPPs an hour that volume is easy. You get the picture.

Ok, so in those middle months when you're working a full time job at 300 VPPs/hour you're going to need to play ~54 hours a week to maintain pace. That's over 100 hours a week you're going to need to play on the months when you aren't working.

Ah. Guess I should have clarified: I'm working on upping my volume now, gradually, between now and December. By that point, I would like to be up to about 600/hr., so ~27 hrs/wk when I have a job.

Edit: Just played around with the calculator, and it still looks depressing, my other numbers must be off somewhere here. According to the calculator, you have to churn out ~38hr/wk to get 65K a month at 1/2, and that's running 24 tables the whole time, which is currently just way beyond my skill level.

Looks like it's time to choose:

[ ] move up in stakes
[ ] never sleep again
[ ] quit my job
[ ] gtfo

....sigh.

Okay, so this is a super basic question I'm sure, but what the heck are you guys playing to generate 2000/hr or whatever?

I only searched full ring games, but there's hardly any 3/6 or 5/10 even going.

limit?

Maybe? the idea of learning essentially an entire new game just get SNE doesn't really appeal to me.

I wonder how much different limit vs. no limit VPP accrual is? I could always mix them I guess.

hahahahahaha wat

Dude...some of THEM might be playing limit. They can also play 24 tables of nl 6max at 1/2 or higher. Some okay sng's also. Some mix in sngs to their 24 cash game tables because there is no maximum number of sngs you can play.

You can just forget about you making it to 2000 an hour or even 1000 an hour the time being as it is clearly way beyond your abilities.

rofl this sounds jorj-esque

myself up until now, I'm usually happy with a 23k vpp MONTH

Sicko! How did you manage that? Have there been a lot of sngs running or were u playing something else too?

Ok, cool.

I was wondering about the SNE package which includes the WCOOP ME entry. I couldn't find any information if I only receive ONE ticket when I reach SNE or if I'm automatically registered for the tournament as long as I am SNE.

So for me as example: I have 850k VPP atm and will probably reach SNE before the WCOOP ME starts. Do I only receive one ticket which I could use this year OR next year or is it free to join as long as I am SNE?

One ticket each time you reach 1,000,000 yearly VPPs. You can choose to use it this year or next if you make SNE this year prior to the WCOOP Main Event. If you plan to make SNE within 48 hours of the main event, please give me prior notice so I can make sure that you get the ticket on time.

Clearly. But if I am going to attempt to get good enough to get SNE, I need to know what I need to get to, right?

I'm estimating that I'll need about 500/hr, if I want to pull this off, that's about 30hr a week when I'm also working full time (to get 65K a month).

You seem to take a bit of issue with information gathering, perhaps I'm reading too much into your posts? You and I are both aware of where my skill level is, and it's well short of SNE. That's a given, seeing as how I'm asking so many questions/looking for advice.

I'm glad to hear it. The point was to make you aware. I knew you weren't going away, 2p2 doesn't allow members to block mods, so I felt I needed to vocalize myself. I come here for enjoyment, not to be argumentative and definitely not to be belittled (i.e. http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...94&postcount=3). So awareness on your part is what I was aiming to accomplish.

lol wtf

standard nvg in that thread

What's the wallpaper on your far right monitor?

My 30th birthday present.

needbeer - I believe you have the wrong idea. Your post still wasn't appropriate. And neither was this latest follow-up actually in which you evidently decided it is okay to air some really old laundry from some post I made 7 months ago. I mean...really? Do you want me to defend some post I made 7 freaking months ago? You are attacking me about it after all.

Please note that many other posters in that thread agreed with me. And just because they disagreed with your idea doesn't mean they were trolling you as you claimed. They are actually allowed to disagree with you too. Am I being argumentative now because I'm defending myself after you attacked me about an ancient post that was perfectly fine?

Note that I don't believe I have hurled any personal insults to you. In fact, I don't think I ever thought anything negative about you until you made that post.

If you were just cranky and chemo-ing and downswonging all at once and snapped because you don't like me and then later explained that you didn't intend for your tone to be so over-the-top extreme in a public setting then I could have accepted something like that.

Instead you still don't seem to think your post about me was wrong...and then you bring up some post I made from back in freaking December to try to further justify your inappropriate and unnecessarily personal insults. I'm a miserable person and never contribute anything to the forums? And that comes in the middle of a silly discussion about hypothetical 5bb tables? Really?

thank you, steve, for this info.

Figuring out the 500/hr * 30hr a week bit is standard and it's within the range of a lot of the people who make it to Elite.

Then you have the extreme outliers like andrex ad needbeer who can rack up 2k VPP's an hour or whatever ridiculous amount they get by being so good AND being able to do it on so many tables. Then you have jorj (who has his own "ask me" well type thread on here) who gets up to 10k VPP's an hour or more sometimes in super high-stakes SNG's.

For the rest of us mortals like you and me we can only be content to say, "haha...that's insane" and cringe with jealousy that we can't do that.

Anyway, you are 8 or 10 tabling now or whatever it is. So you really don't need the calculator to tell you what is possible at those stakes. It varies a little by player anyway since you are on the tables directly contributing to whether the pot grows or there are a lot of hands played or not. I think you mentioned you are playing 22/20 or something like that? You are probably helping to induce action and generate more VPP's on your tables. You will NEVER be on a table where every single player is 9/7 through 13/11. Because YOU always count as one of those players.

There's also a small difference with your speed at the tables too. If you are constantly slowing down all your tables on decisions here and there then obviously your VPP/hr will go down some too. Some fast-acting player on 24 tables might get 1700 hands an hour or something while some thinking guy who is frequently timing down might be at 1300-1400 hands or something. I don't know. Something like that.


Anyway, just blow off the calculator and figure it out. If you are getting 300VPP/hr on 10 tables then you should be close to 600/hr on 20 tables (unless you tighten up your play to compensate for being on more tables) no matter what the calculator tries to tell you.

The only thing needbeer is good at is playing a lot of hands. He wins at a staggering 0.19BB at 200 and 400nl for gods sake. He is at best a semi-competent SS that plays sick volume.

I also think his attack on you was pretty out of line but he has a history of attacking any who disagree with him such as "Guys like jmillerdls and TimStone are pretty much a living campaign for the necessity of birth control imo." So don't take it personally

Bob, I don't have time to announce every ****ty post you've ever made. That's just one that popped in my head that reminded me what an unpleasant person you can be, so I posted it. The fact that others may have agreed with you in that particular instance doesn't justify your behavior, that's just laughable. Hey, why not be an internet bully, others are doing it, must be the right thing to do! Excellent justification.

I don't take back a word I've said about you, you do not deserve an apology. And of course I've made it public, you've made your views public 20 times a day since 2003.

We wouldn't be having this discussion if the following weren't the case...
Sorry MicroBob is a moderator/admin and you are not allowed to ignore him or her. So I've been trying to consciously ignore you for years.