Gonna start out going for SNE at NL100 6max 16 tabling all fast tables. Played 4 hours so far and 2133 VPPs.

So it looks like there were 0 changes to Supernova/SNE is that correct? I was hoping PS would throw a little bone.

Not gonna make SNE with the lag that is going on now.

My brain would fry on all fast tables. Plus I get pissed when my internet starts to freeze/lag and get timed out.

good going. 700 vpp /hour.

[/QUOTE] Joey, with the kind of volume your putting in make sure you do all you can to prevent repetative motion/carpel tunnel type problems before they start. Once the pain starts it's alot harder to get rid of than it is to prevent it in the first place.

-have a really comfortable chair/desk the right height. I personaly use a lazyboy and a pillow in my lap for the mouse/trackball to sit in, but most people use a really good office type desk and like it.

-Use every script you can to help reduce clicking.

-Use some method of putting some of the load on your off hand. I've used a gamepad before, but like this alot better.

http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProdu...duct_Id=390404

I actually have the older model

http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProdu...duct_Id=164714

but they should be basicly the same.

-find something to change up with from the standerd mouse, changing off every month or so, or at the first signs of pain. I use this

http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/mi...s/189&cl=us,en

and like it alot (some people like the thumb ones better though)

-wear a wrist brace when you play. you can be dumb and wait till carpel tunnel starts to wear it (like I was, and most people I know) or you can be really smart and start wearing it now. I use this

http://www.walgreens.com/store/produ...id=prod3543924

-have a fridge easy to reach and drink lots of fliuds an maybe some gatoraid type stuff. It may be just me, but I have problems with getting dehidrated during long sessions. It doesn't matter much during, but after the session when I get up and move around if I havent drank enough I feel like crap.



you'll find better games if you get up around noon eat lunch and go to gym for some social interaction. Come back and play 4-6 hours and then hang out with friends/dates and then play midnight-5ish. there's a reason most of use don't get up before noon.

that said, if your a morning person, just play when you feel like it.

gl[/QUOTE]



good post, I also wanna add something else.......move around every hour or less, at least stand up and stretch your legs.

December 1st I started feeling pain in my left calf, I thought I overdid it on the threadmill or hadnt stretched properly.......move ahead to December 9th, I started feel severe pain on my right shoulder down my arm, and I couldnt breathe properly, after a few more more hours I was in severe pain every time I breathed.

long story short i had life threathening blood clots in my left leg and both my lungs....I was in bad shape....I spent dec 9th - dec 20th in the hospital, 4 days in the ICU, very scary stuff.

I've been recovering now and am on warfarin (a blood thinner)

The doctors arent completely sure why this happened to me. I am 29 years old and pretty healthy. They are doing all kinds of blood work to find out exactly what the problem was......I have some heredity risk factors (my grandma got blood clots when she was in her 30's), that coupled with my 6-10 hour sessions where I just didnt move around enough.....I feel unbelieveably stupid that my actions helped add to my problems. But I have to live and learn, and change things.

I posted this in this forum, because the SNE's are the true grinders, and most at risk for what happened to me. I've already researched circulation excercies for when your sitting for long periods, and I will play much shorter sessions.

gl going for SNE this year, and stay Healthy!!!

Kevin

FYI, I started a well for those of you who were requesting it.

You haven't considered the amount of time that someone needs to earn 250 000 FPP's

I don't understand a lot of this interest stuff (Grannymae very well might since I believe he works in banking) but just doing some quick back-of-envelope math I think I can come up with some ideas on this and I believe you are way off on a couple of these things. I'm going to round-off big time here for some of the numbers but I'm pretty sure that breaking it down to the penny will yield the same conclusion and it really isn't close:

First, there is no 0.1% difference between $1500 and $4000 bonuses. It's a 0.1c difference. That's the key. The difference is about 6% from 1.5c to 1.6c.

So it's a $20k loan at 4.8% so you owe $960 per year in interest on it? I don't know how this stuff might accrue cumulatively or whatever but we can round up to $1000 per year to make it easier...or even WAY up to $100/mth that you are paying in interest.

If you got all your points at the lower 1.5c rate then every 250k FPP's would be worth only $3750 instead of $4000 so that right there is a $250 difference. Even if you are clearing your bonuses particularly slowly I don't think you are better off taking the lower rate. That extra 6% you get for the 1.6c rate is pretty huge.

Purchasing the bigger bonus is worth 6% more in the time it takes to get there and clear it. Even if it takes you 6 months longer to get to get to 250k FPP's and clear that bonus then I think that is roughly like a 12% boost to that money if it was annual interest. I think this becomes more like 24% annual interest if it takes you 3 months longer to get to and clear the higher bonus and I think that is using the assumption that you actually get all the money at the lower rate right away or something which you obviously don't.

Your loan is 4.8% annually which is something like 0.5% monthly or something like that I think. Obviously you're paying 0.5% monthly on a much large sum of money ($20k) than the money on which you're earning 12% or 24% annually ($4k) by taking the larger bonus so a lot of that is just looking at a few random numbers for kicks.

Somebody who understands way more about this stuff than I do can point out how hugely wrong I am. But I think the key mistake was assuming that the difference between the bonuses was 0.1% when it's actually $0.01 per FPP which is actually about 6% over that time period (which is likely to be less than a year).

If the difference really was only 0.1% and not 6% then I would agree that just taking the money now and not waiting would be prudent. This would be similar to why I don't think it's really worth it to go out of your way to make various concierge purchases at the 1.6129 rate. Because the difference between that and 1.6c for the highest bonus is only about 1% or so (0.992% I think) and that small amount of increase is only worth an extra $32.25 per 250k FPP's (that's $4032.25 instead of $4000) and that's generally not worth the effort involved of finding various random crap to buy that you might not have bought otherwise and sending in all the receipts, etc.

4.8% apr = 0.4% monthly * 20,000 = $80/month. assuming you clear 250k fpp+bonus requirements in a month, it's pretty much not worth buying the $1500 bonuses.

You'd have to do a spreadsheet that calculates out paying down on the principal, but for $80/month in interest, lol at forgoing $250/month

edit: even if you pay off 1500 every 10 days, the 4000 bonus every 25 days is still better because the compounded interest is calculated on average balance.

basicly it's a different set of motions than using a mouse. if I use a mouse for a few month, some things hurt. when I use the trackball for a few months, some things hurt, but they aren't the same things that hurt with the mouse. If i switch off now and then it gives everything a rest. fwiw I have less pains and can go longer with the trackball.

you can program any key on it to simulate any key on your keyboard. this combined with betpot or some other script allows you to have a key for bet, another for fold, etc, etc. All I use the mouse for is to move the curser over that table i want to act on. If I was any good at stacking I wouldn't even need to do that.

Agree whole heartedly with Lacky's advice; and I think a pot of this stuff is going to be trial and error for what works specifically for you. I use Wickks's ahk script with a simple external numeric keypad - I use it horizontally, so 0 is by my right thumb and is programmed as fold, 9 is all in, 1 is either 3.5bb for 100nl, 2.6bb for MTT, 4bb for 50nl ( it takes 2 seconds to reset it to suit what you're playing) and so on for the other keys. Pillow in lap is vital! I stick with an ultra-lightweight mouse which works on the pillow, just for those rare occasions when I need to click something.

The advice to protect yourself from RSI, is quite simply the single most +EV action you can take as a professional online player.

Good catch, thanks. I'll fix that in my spreadsheet. I guess my goal is really to hit the 400k milestone, if I clear it this year that's cool but not essential.

has anyone got that excel spreadsheet that helps you track VPPs you get each day?

Ah yes, good point out on my mistake. This makes a big difference (RE: .01 cents is 6.25%); forgot to convert to percentage wise

Please note that there's a 2009 VIP blah blah thread for random type of discussions regarding this stuff... I think the hope was to try and keep this thread more on track.

Anyway -> I'm 0.29% of the way there... ABOVE PACE! 4100 hands of 3/6 6max Limit so far.

I want the announcement on VIP/Elite changes for 2009!!!

Inquiring minds want to know dammit!!!!!!!

I'm sure it would be easy to plug in, but if you use Holdem Manager as your tracker it has Stars VPP Total and Stars VPP Per Hand stats available in the reports tab.

question???

How are VPP's earned?

More importantly if I'm finishing a session, fold my hand then immediately close that table could I be missing out on VPPs?

How VPPs are earned: http://www.pokerstars.com/fpp/#earn

Your second question is yes you would miss out on the VPP (at least as of 3 months ago). I wish they would fix that so I could exit and allow someone else to take my spot.

GL all

Got up around 11:00AM, still feeling sick. Didn't take long to start playing. Just finished now around 4:00. Had one 5 minute break in between. Got in 3794 hands, which isn't great, but it took a while to get on all the tables to begin the day.

The good news is that I feel really confident because if I can do this while I'm sick then it'll be even easier when I get healthy.

On the day so far I've made 2545 VPPs and $1823. Also cleared a $4000 bonus that I had purchased from the VPP store a while ago. I'm going to take a rest for a while, then come back later tonight for another 2000 or so hands.


Yearly totals:

3629 VPPs
+$1943(not counting VPP bonuses)

3964, I guess we will be seeing a lot more of each other this year. gl

I'm obv asking a boring question,but anyone have the link to that "on pace" page?The one that says how many vpp you need to be on pace?

Anyway,im back to high stakes HU today,due to lack of will to open cash tables.gogogo

I've been given the std sne chase doomswitch

http://www.houseofillusion.com/sne.asp


it still says 366 days though

This is my page. I'll fix it tonight.