It used to be. Now I play all the step 5s and 6s and just the highest buy in mtts on the side. MTTers make tiny amounts of VPPs.

Wow my first photoshop...

i have 1.3mill dot know why im even savin them since i cant unse the ffp sore in israel

yeah but you can buy things like a car and get reimbursed you silly israelite

im not sure i get ya?
i send stars the bill?

Yes, you can send them receipts and have them reimburse.

Do you guys remember late last year in the old thread we all made suggestions to improve the VIP program (and PokerStars in general). Of course, a lot of the ideas were simply ways we could make more $$$.

But one idea that got tossed around heavily was to have "happy hours" in which players could earn more points. A lot of players liked the idea and even said that Party tried something along these lines not too long ago.

Well, I guess Full Tilt seemed to pick up the idea and run with it. Of course, their points aren't really worth a whole lot to begin with, but from a marketing perspective, I think it's a pretty decent line for them.

thx 0_0. took me a while to get it

i just made 400 vpp... seems such a long way to go

lol u just won 100k 2 i cant imagine it will be that painful of a trip?

This is kind of what I've mentioned before about the Stars concierge.
It says 186k FPP's for $3k or whatever in the store but it's really $500 minimum pretty much.
And people like this player don't understand that you can just send the receipt in for the item.

This is one of the higher volume players but unless you follow this thread on here then, for the most part, you aren't going to know that you can concierge an item for $500 like that. No idea why Stars doesn't spell it out so that people can actually understand it.

Does futilewar know about the $1.5k for every 100k FPP's that he could do if he just wanted the cash?
If there's nothing that he wants then there's no reason why he needs to stock-pile all those FPP's. He can just take the cash at the lower rate.

stars 200nl 6max current gaming conditions VPP per hand = ?

You will likely see a happy hour type promo at stars.

Stars doesnt allow FTP to out poker them.

LaJune

I'd be curious how much your VPP/hd has gone up since you changed your betting patterns to accomodate the $8 pot issue and has it affected in anyway your win rate?

This is a pretty weird reason for them to do happy-hour double-points type promo.

Stars and FT points aren't the same at all really.
Stars VPP's equal 60% rakeback or higher. Stars FPP's can be 30% rakeback or higher [for supernovas].

FTP points are about 2% rakeback value or so I think.
So for them to double the points during a few hours each day isn't nearly the same as if Stars did.

If Stars doubled the points for a couple hours each day it would be similar to if FT gave double-rakeback during their promo [which would be way more valuable than their double-points].

It varies per player's style and game-selection and time of day/wk you are playing.
For the most part it's going to be 0.4-0.5VPP/hd I think.
You get 1VPP when the pot reaches $8 and another VPP when it reaches $40.
No matter how much the games tighten up it's not like you're going to change THAT much how many pots reach $8 and $40 thresholds.

As always, you should be able to play on a few tables yourself to find out. Or just open a bunch of tables and look at the HH window and look at how much rake was taken on each hand [it's $0.40 rake for 1VPP and $2 rake for 2VPP's].

What if they did that you move up 1 level for an hour, instead of doubling?

Supernovas go from 3.5x to 5x, so a little less than 50% more.

I think its similar for most others.

Thanks Bob.

That would still probably have more value that FT doubling their points but it would be closer.

Without doing all the math I'm going to guess that it's closeish to giving out 5-10% or so better rakeback. Whereas I think the FT double-points is just 2% better or perhaps slightly less.
Not sure though. If those points also help you to maintain ironman status or whatever you get there and all that medal stuff then the FT happy-hour could have an overall value slightly higher than what I estimate.

Mostly though I'm just cautioning against looking at FT points and Stars points as being the same.

FT gives 27% rakeback [for most people around here anyway] and then an extra 2% rakeback value or so in points and ironman and other stuff.

Stars gives 0% rakeback and then an extra 15-60% rakeback value in FPP's and milestones and other stuff. This obviously varies pretty wildly depending on volume of play, stakes, etc.

So comparing FT's points and their little double-points thing with Stars points and the possibility of a double-points happy-hour thing is pretty flawed.

i'm falling so far off pace. vacation really hurt me. and now no double vpps. i'm not sure if i can make it. 800k seems more reasonable, but also a waste. err.

I plan on playing 50k hands of 200nl 6max in June and July.

Start of June I will be silverstar (balla). averaging .44 VPP/Hand.

9100 hands to get to goldstar 9100x.44 = 4000vpps * 1.5 = 6000 FPPs
14000 more hands to get to platinumstar 14000x.44 = 6160vpps * 2 = 12320 FPPs
26900 more hands at platinumstart 26900x.44 = 11836 * 2.5 = 29590 FPPs

July I will start off as a platinum star and will play 50,000 hands at 200nl.

50000 hands at platinumstar 50000x.44 = 22000 * 2.5 = 55000

So during these two months I will make approx:

43996 VPPs (approx)
102910 FPPs (approx)

Microbob am I even close to these arithmetics.

Cannot wait for double points this year. I need to get in the sne hunt. Plus side I was behind the entire year last year unitl dec 15 or so

scotty is there any way u guys can add a new cash bonus at conseirge rate with all of us having so many fpp?

i find it silly to have to buy something and send a receipt just to get the rate. Cant we just add a 1mil fpp cash bonus at conseirge rate?

I'm trying.

My VPP rate is around .44. I'm guessing others rates are more like .38. My win rate has stayed steady all year at 2 bb/100.