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I'm not saying you can't win 3 in a row in limit games. I'm just saying from my considerable live game experience, it just doesn't happen as much in online games. I can never remember winning 3 in a row online in limit games when theoretically it should happen at least once every 200 hands (if you have above average agression) according to my conservative calculations.

ORLY? I thought we were talking about 8-handed or more? Because 1/8 * 1/8 * 1/8 = 1/512 in my books. 10-handed = 1/1000.

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05-12-2008 , 07:32 PM

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i cant beleive people still think Kevlin (rhymes with Levlin) was serious.

He might not be, but Keviln rhymes with leviln.

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05-12-2008 , 07:42 PM

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05-12-2008 , 07:50 PM

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i cant beleive people still think Kevlin (rhymes with Levlin) was serious.

I'm very serious, serious rushes that I've experienced many times in live limit games almost never happen in limit games online. There is one exception though and that's the "first" time I played on Party Poker several years ago.

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05-12-2008 , 07:56 PM

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05-12-2008 , 08:04 PM

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sure you are

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05-12-2008 , 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Keviln

It's certainly possible if you are a billionaire, who only plays high stakes no-limit heads up games and you go all in every hand.

Well I'm no billionaire but I did once throw a sick party where everyone came over to my apartment and I provided free liquor in the form of jello shots.

That reminds me of a slightly off topic story, Keviln. This morning I stepped on a snail on my front porch and I realized that, like the snail, I too have a protective shell. Only instead of organic materials, my shell is made of tin foil and wet paper towels. Whatever the case may be, it proves an interesting point.

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05-12-2008 , 08:05 PM

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ORLY? I thought we were talking about 8-handed or more? Because 1/8 * 1/8 * 1/8 = 1/512 in my books. 10-handed = 1/1000.

Eh not to be a total nit but on the button/CO/MP youre way more likely to win a hand.

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05-12-2008 , 08:08 PM

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Eh not to be a total nit but on the button/CO/MP youre way more likely to win a hand.

Yeah, there's lots of variables of course, that's just a rough figure. If you're running over a table of nits you're going to win more often, setminers will win less often, etc, etc. Either way, his expectation of 1/200 seems way off to me, and certainly isn't conservative, as he claims.

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05-12-2008 , 08:11 PM

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We had a very similar discussion in the thread "Donkey on fire" back on 02/20/08. Unfortunately, it ended before I could get a comment from Josem on my interpretation of his chart of hand histories from the UB cheating scandal which as a sidelight seemed to show an unusually straight line win-rate at the 100BB/hr regardless of VPIP% while on the loss-rate side of the chart the numbers skewed out in the more predictable "bell-curve" shape with a higher % of losses corresponding to a higher percentage of VPIP.

Just wondering if anyone else viewing that chart came to a similar conclusion.

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05-12-2008 , 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by VP$IP

please post your conservative calculations

Well if you are aggressive and also a very loose player (see almost every flop) and your in a game where a average of 4 people see the flop. Then you should on average have the best hand at showdown about 1 in 6 times I would estimate.

6 time 6 times 6 is 216. I've got to believe if I'm a loose player in such a game I should win 3 in a row at least on average once every 216 hands, but it simply doesn't happen in my experience.

Of course my figuring is not David Sklansky quality and I'm sure there are some other factors but I definitely should be winning 3 in a row at least occasionally. It just doesn't happen in limit (online) in my experience.

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05-12-2008 , 08:18 PM

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I hardly ever play internet poker anymore but has anyone else noticed that "rushes" almost never occur in internet limit poker. By a rush I mean maybe winning 3 or more hands in a row. That happens in live poker occasionally but almost never in internet poker. Does this make you suspicious?

Have you considered that maybe YOU are just unlucky online?

Try wearing different underwear.

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05-12-2008 , 08:27 PM

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How do people like OP exist? Even if he is "Levlin" im certain there are people out there thinking this exact same thing and other similar things. I think the real debate in this thread should be on how these people exist.

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05-12-2008 , 08:35 PM

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Also by rushes I include such things as winning 5 out of 7 hands or 6 out of 8 hands. These type of things almost never happen to me online when I'm in a limit game of about 8 players. Whereas I've seen them happen several times to me and other players in live games.

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05-12-2008 , 08:38 PM

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Sounds to me like you haven't played much live poker.

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05-12-2008 , 08:41 PM

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Sounds to me like you haven't played much live poker.

Sounds to me like you don't understand what pozmanaught is trying to say.

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05-12-2008 , 08:57 PM

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Sounds to me like you don't understand what pozmanaught is trying to say.

Yea, I know what he saying...

Personal attacks usually start where discussion stops.

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05-12-2008 , 08:59 PM

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i can win 3 threads in a row np imo

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05-12-2008 , 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Keviln

Geez you are dumb dude.

People are seriously trying to help you understand.
It happens just as much online as it does live.

I went on a really nice and awesome rush today as a matter of fact which included quite a few situations of won hands being clumped together [as if that possibly matters].

You are basing your opinion on your limited observation of a few online hands combined with some sort of 'feel' of how often it is 'supposed' to happen that you think you acquired from your online expertise.
The cards are random dude. They just are.

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05-12-2008 , 09:02 PM

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Having the best hand at showdown three times in a row is MUCH different than having the best hand three times in a row. Wining three hands in a row 1/216 times given your figures would require you to see 100% of the showdowns. Might not be a recipe for winning poker, IMO.

Why don't you provide us with a summary of your online stats so we can get to the bottom of this? I'm sure you wouldn't be foolish enough to come to conclusions like this without some actual numbers to back up your perception (since our perceptions are often skewed), would you?

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05-12-2008 , 09:02 PM

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Personal attacks usually start where discussion stops.

one can only hope!

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05-12-2008 , 09:08 PM

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I played a lot of online several years ago, and live games regularly for at least 7 years. How much live poker have you played?

You say I'm dumb. That in itself says a lot about you. But let me make a prediction. If you've played online limit for more than 2 years you,re in the red. Meaning your a loser moneywise.,

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05-12-2008 , 09:10 PM

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I played a lot of online several years ago, and live games regularly for at least 7 years. How much live poker have you played?

Well, we all have stats for millions and millions of hands that show everything to be within statistical expectations. So if you know it's different in live play, I guess you need to be asking the B&M casinos about why people win too many hands in a row.

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05-12-2008 , 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Keviln

I played a lot of online several years ago, and live games regularly for at least 7 years. How much live poker have you played?

How does the amount of poker he played make any difference here? Isn't poker played with the same 52 card shuffled deck both live and online? Where do you think the difference in 'rushyness' come from? Are you just trolling us? I think you're just trolling us...

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