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Old 11-05-2011, 04:54 AM   #201
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Re: NEWS: Everleaf touches the untouchable - Lowers rake on all US$ tables to a $1 cap Nov1-Dec

Great news, I think it's spreading!

I'm looking at the fist US$ 4 max game I've ever seen on this network. There's normally lots of 4 max going but they are always Euro.

Here's the kicker: all four players are non-American! They are Eurolanders.

This shows that the Euros are not only joining US tables now, but starting them as well.
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Old 11-05-2011, 05:04 AM   #202
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And, at least one remaining 6 max table from earlier that is still going, thanks to the Euros who inhabit it and keep it running, as there's no longer any American players at it (obv, it's 5 am est)
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Old 11-05-2011, 06:23 AM   #203
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Re: NEWS: Everleaf touches the untouchable - Lowers rake on all US$ tables to a $1 cap Nov1-Dec

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Does the fact that you're not complaining any more mean you got your money?
No, I have not received it yet. And since it is weekend I doubt they will arrive before Monday now.
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Old 11-06-2011, 03:47 PM   #204
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Re: NEWS: Everleaf touches the untouchable - Lowers rake on all US$ tables to a $1 cap Nov1-Dec

No 6 max NL 50 + 100 $ tables at the moment.
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Old 11-06-2011, 10:09 PM   #205
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Re: NEWS: Everleaf touches the untouchable - Lowers rake on all US$ tables to a $1 cap Nov1-Dec

This is turning out to be a bust.

Unless they advertise in other arenas, I doubt it's going to go anywhere.
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Old 11-06-2011, 11:48 PM   #206
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Re: NEWS: Everleaf touches the untouchable - Lowers rake on all US$ tables to a $1 cap Nov1-Dec

Bust as far as? If you mean as far as bringing an overnight change in traffic and having it double or something like some flashy billionth hand promo would do or some other fishy promo then yes, but I personally have saved a lot of money, which means I've made more money and it's a hugely successful promo for me, as far as that goes.

I've also seen some strides made like Euro's starting and play dollar tables, more traffic overall at the dollar tables than there was before they lowered the rake etc.

Yea, it's not going to be a cure all to everything but it's a successful promo imo and I hope it continuous so that the network can justify keeping it I'm playing a lot, more than I have in a long time, so I'm doing what I can do show them what this means to me and am saving/making a lot of money I otherwise wouldn't in the meantime.

I guess I should say I play any and all games though and don't limit myself to just one format or type, so I haven't had trouble finding enough action. We are 6 days into a two month commitment the network has made, with remarks made that it may continue. I'm happy to see it at least growing each day and hopefully after a month and a half it's still continuing to grow.
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Old 11-07-2011, 12:02 AM   #207
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Re: NEWS: Everleaf touches the untouchable - Lowers rake on all US$ tables to a $1 cap Nov1-Dec

One problem is there are a lot of forces working against this as well. Like you said, this could be advertised better but this network, and a lot of the industry, relies on affiliates to do a lot of the advertising and bringing of players.

Affiliates don't want the rake lowered. They don't want to move their players to a lower rake. So, there's been very little, if any, marketing and work done by affiliates to promote this.

Add in the fact that recreational players don't know what rake is or care, it's foolish to market this to them as a promo. What will bring them is more traffic. Recreational players just want to play, at whatever cost, so as this grows with everyone's support, so the traffic grows and it's like a snowball affect.

It's just extremely hard to start the snowball because the industry is pretty set and the major players in the industry have been decided for the most part so Jack and Jills Cola may be a better cola than Coke but if people have never heard of JnJ's but have grown up with Coke it's hard to get them to try it and switch.

People are also followers so that's why traffic leads to more traffic and even an underground culture, if shown interest by enough people, will become main stream because it will eventually have to. "Grunge" in the 90's was a good example of that. Alternative music was thriving and finally MTV and radio stations had to respond, then it became mainstream and 13 year old suburban girls were wearing flannels and listening to Nirvana.
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Old 11-07-2011, 12:17 AM   #208
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All I know for sure and care about is that I've raked $230 in 4 days at a $1 rake cap. This would be at least twice that if not more (PLO50) and when you add the fact that I'm getting like 65% rakeback, that means I've saved (made) and extra at least $420, or almost 9 buy ins at PLO50 in 4 days. This is not doing anything different but simply paying less rake. I would not have that money otherwise. Everleaf is contributed, so this was def money I payed and money that I have saved.



That's only with less than 4k hands at PLO50 and below (2-4 tables). At this pace I'll save/make an extra 5-7k just from rake savings during this promo. I'm ok with that

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Old 11-07-2011, 11:17 AM   #209
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Ok, I received my money back so I don't think the payout is anything to worry about. Still, took longer than usual.
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Old 11-07-2011, 10:14 PM   #210
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All I know for sure and care about is that I've raked $230 in 4 days at a $1 rake cap. This would be at least twice that if not more (PLO50) and when you add the fact that I'm getting like 65% rakeback, that means I've saved (made) and extra at least $420, or almost 9 buy ins at PLO50 in 4 days. This is not doing anything different but simply paying less rake. I would not have that money otherwise. Everleaf is contributed, so this was def money I payed and money that I have saved.



That's only with less than 4k hands at PLO50 and below (2-4 tables). At this pace I'll save/make an extra 5-7k just from rake savings during this promo. I'm ok with that
That's actually pretty awesome when you see it spelled out so well. I might have to give this site a go.
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Old 11-07-2011, 11:39 PM   #211
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Re: NEWS: Everleaf touches the untouchable - Lowers rake on all US$ tables to a $1 cap Nov1-Dec

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All I know for sure and care about is that I've raked $230 in 4 days at a $1 rake cap. This would be at least twice that if not more (PLO50) and when you add the fact that I'm getting like 65% rakeback, that means I've saved (made) and extra at least $420, or almost 9 buy ins at PLO50 in 4 days. This is not doing anything different but simply paying less rake. I would not have that money otherwise. Everleaf is contributed, so this was def money I payed and money that I have saved.



That's only with less than 4k hands at PLO50 and below (2-4 tables). At this pace I'll save/make an extra 5-7k just from rake savings during this promo. I'm ok with that
Where did you get that menu?
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Old 11-08-2011, 12:13 AM   #212
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All I know for sure and care about is that I've raked $230 in 4 days at a $1 rake cap. This would be at least twice that if not more (PLO50) and when you add the fact that I'm getting like 65% rakeback, that means I've saved (made) and extra at least $420, or almost 9 buy ins at PLO50 in 4 days. This is not doing anything different but simply paying less rake. I would not have that money otherwise. Everleaf is contributed, so this was def money I payed and money that I have saved.



That's only with less than 4k hands at PLO50 and below (2-4 tables). At this pace I'll save/make an extra 5-7k just from rake savings during this promo. I'm ok with that
But if you paid lets say $250 less in rake, you would have got $162.5 of those back in rakeback. So havent you only saved $87.5?
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Old 11-08-2011, 02:55 AM   #213
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Re: NEWS: Everleaf touches the untouchable - Lowers rake on all US$ tables to a $1 cap Nov1-Dec

if any 50-100NL players are looking to move up to 200-400NL, this is a good site to take the shot. soft games/ low rake. perfect place to take a shot at moving up ! come play some 200-400NL USD !!!
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Old 11-08-2011, 05:20 AM   #214
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if any 50-100NL players are looking to move up to 200-400NL, this is a good site to take the shot. soft games/ low rake. perfect place to take a shot at moving up ! come play some 200-400NL USD !!!
lol - games are good cause you in it?
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Old 11-08-2011, 11:24 AM   #215
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in after shameless shill

i wouldn't but a dime on a network like everleaf right now.
Enter leconnaisseur, the anti-shill. Thanks for your help! Oh, wait we didn't need it. See, the good thing about thread titles is that you don't have to come in to the thread to be subjected to that terrible, terrible shilling (sooo tired of seeing this term). While OP actually presents some info that some are interested in, I don't think anyone is interested in where you put your dimes.

I find it hilarious how there are at least a couple heroes in every thread talking about poker sites that are still serving US customers. Someone always thinks they need to come in and save the rest of us as if we weren't aware of the tenuous situation of ipoker in the US. Its also funny that most of these "heroes" were just as complacent after the UIGEA was passed and after it took effect as the people they now try and educate. We've heard it, okay? Save your breath... keep it with your dimes, wherever they are.
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Old 11-09-2011, 06:29 PM   #216
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BUMP

Can't believe this is on the 3rd page. This is a big deal.
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Old 11-09-2011, 08:06 PM   #217
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anyone playing? how are the games?
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Old 11-09-2011, 11:38 PM   #218
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They are so much better during the day on EST with the most action around 1-5pm
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Old 11-10-2011, 12:16 AM   #219
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They are so much better during the day on EST with the most action around 1-5pm

+1 need more 1am EST games because I play round the clock.
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Old 11-10-2011, 03:58 AM   #220
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I don´t get it.
Always when logging in into the Network (play Minted) I see a couple euro tables running and no or maybe one dollar table. Like right now, there is only one dollar table active.

I just don´t get, why they are just not playing more tables. You can play easily 6 tables at minted, so if all these guys just decide to open a few more tables, the traffic is going to pick up easily.

I actually always open 4 tables and they do fill up within 15 min most of the time.
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Old 11-10-2011, 05:33 AM   #221
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I don´t get it.
Always when logging in into the Network (play Minted) I see a couple euro tables running and no or maybe one dollar table. Like right now, there is only one dollar table active.

I just don´t get, why they are just not playing more tables. You can play easily 6 tables at minted, so if all these guys just decide to open a few more tables, the traffic is going to pick up easily.

I actually always open 4 tables and they do fill up within 15 min most of the time.
Your post was made at 2:58 am est. This has to be the absolute worse time you can look for games of poker on this, or any site imo.

Actions here for those who seek and make an effort. That's all I have to say. I've played a ton since this started. I'm PST and Euro peak is about 9am to 5pm but games run into the night as Americans and any remaining others are still degen'ing it up.

As for the FLHE guys, looks like there's just not a base of players big enough to have any impact, and I imagine it's impossible for them to mobilize, as it's tough enough to get people to mobilize who play NLHE. I'm sorry to say that FL is pretty much ****ed in this industry unless Santa Claus or someone else desires to be generous and just give them a gift. There's absolutely no reason, rather than maybe ethical reasons, for any sites that do have a FL base to change the rake because FL players are no threat to leave because the most important thing to them is traffic, and that's something they can't do anything about/create themselves.

I did notice there's FL HU action going on, but I only looked for a second and have no idea how often/when etc, but from a random view there was about 15 HU games going from micros to small stakes.
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Old 11-10-2011, 05:40 AM   #222
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But if you paid lets say $250 less in rake, you would have got $162.5 of those back in rakeback. So havent you only saved $87.5?
That was a VERY modest estimation and based off saying the rake would be about twice as much. In PLO50, the rake goes over $2 often. As far as you're other question, that's including 65% effective rakeback which is not standard and that high of rakeback is not standard anywhere that I know of so no, playing here, with the $1 cap and some of the highest RB % in the industry is worth counting on the whole and compared to another site I think those estimations of savings are again, modest at best, not overstated imo.
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Old 11-10-2011, 05:40 AM   #223
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ARe there actually games during the day? this site just looks like it has no players
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Old 11-10-2011, 06:13 AM   #224
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8 soft tables running right now
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Old 11-10-2011, 06:14 AM   #225
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ARe there actually games during the day? this site just looks like it has no players
Seriously???

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Well i have a tough time believing someone can make even $500 at minted poker when the table volume is so poor and i don't even see more than 2 tables running of 100NL running. And basically there is just 1 or 2 tables max of 4NL and 10NL. How can anyone make any money playing that? I do not doubt you guys for having no problems cashing out. But theres like no money to made here unless you play microlimits and i would assume a recreationally player wouldn't like minted to be honest when they look at how few tables and games there are here.

Someone mentioned there is 10 tables of 50NL at peak time but everytime i opened minted poker, i see at most 2 tables. And i used 50NL as an example because that is the lowest i can go without going to microlimits. There is no limit holdem games at all and the only PLO games that run are 2 tables of 6 max and its 10NL...

What i meant to say was how can anyone win much money on this site when there is basically NO VOLUME at minted poker. I mean, do i have to download everleaf poker skin? Because i certainly do not see volume increase at all and many of you said the skins put all the player pool together.

Where do you guys even see 10 tables of 50NL running? Are you including those tables with 4 player max? How can anyone make money on this site when there is such poor volume. Even cake poker has 3x the amount of games here and have sngs running whereas minted/everleaf have no sngs run besides .10 ones.
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Theres currently 717 players at minted. Even bodog has about 1300 players now and it feels like bodog has 5x the amount of players at the tables to be honest.
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Well thats because there is zero volume at the sngs i see from day 1. If i register for 8 tables, i honestly don't see anyone registering. Maybe 1-2 players register but still the game won't run? And the thing is the only sng games that DO run in SNGS are the 20 cent sngs and MAYBE 50 CENT SNGS. And at max theres 2 of them running.
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Is MInted ever going to get more players?
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Im looking at the tables there and still there is no action on this site...
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Cake isn't that bad. If you think thats empty, take a look at mintedpoker. There is no pokerroom for us players with so little tables than minted.
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