WTF please please please let people play hu at fr tables to get them started. it is completely absurd you have to wait for 3 people to sit before a game can start.

Hahahaha. ****ing unreal. I'm just instantly withdrawing my money. Just wow, unbelievable. What an absolute joke.
The excuse of "it's important that we have a clean and simple offering" may have worked and been somewhat understandable the last 1-2 times that you took out various games, (like Badugi, H/O, A-5, 7-game etc), but it doesn't still work now, when the lobby was fine until now, and there was no extra scrolling that you had to do through the client to navigate games, they were all clearly there.
It's just so terrible for poker that all other (interesting and fun) games have been removed, my God. So much for trying to set yourself apart, as you used to try to do and would pride yourself on doing, from any other site, that only offers NLHE and Omaha, which is everywhere. As well as the "spectator factor" which was basically unique to FTP and was a special thing, also completely being gone.
Unfortunately I can't ever see this change ever somehow improving the liquidity of the Full Tilt economy, so that any of these games will ever be brought back in the future.
I completely agree with all of this ^.

Firstly, no, you won't be "sure to" read, discuss and answer things. Come on now. Before this change today you hadn't been here for months, and had stopped answered anything remotely interesting or important.

The constant nonsense about just making things easier and easier for tables to be found is ridiculous. Just to take out many separate/segregated games that almost don't affect others, and would otherwise generate you rake, and might draw both regs and recs to your site rather than any other site.
Also it's hands-down more confusing now. A player doesn't know what they are going to get before clicking on any table, which is way more intimidating for any recreational player.

Here's a tip that you guys will be sure to love - make only one table possible on your whole site! That way it will be the most user friendly and the easiest table possible to find. Which is clearly your whole goal! I'm sure you guys will love it, and can thank me later.

And this:

ur ridiculous

all ur posts r so biased, now u want to quiet the voice of reason in this thread

sparky, please keep posting as u have been doing, great job w the responses

+1

Nice.

great changes for the most part. Interested in seeing the changes to the vip system.

+1 to whoever said for sparky to post as he pleases, been a great rep for ftp to the players and vice versa.

Agree with this. I'll wait to see what the reward changes there will be, but I doubt they are going to be that mind-blowingly favourable that it will be worth it.
Yeah I agree, pretty shocking that they have just gone completely against almost everything that they used to stand for. Really disappointing for me tbh.
+1 to all this. And also not just that, in terms of rake for the 2 limit games left, the limits that they have left are basically rake traps. FLO8's highest stake now is just $2/4 limit (compared to $15/30 being the highest in LHE), which is just ridiculous, and with how heavy the rake is, from 0.05/0.1 up to $2/4 limits is barely beatable. Apparently recreational players don't want to play mid-stakes even?
But unfortunately, they really don't seem to care.

"Voice of reason" doesn't mean what you think it means. It doesn't mean somebody who is biased and paid by the organisation, to defend them and talk them up.
- Not that he isn't being a good rep though, to be fair.

Just out of curiosity why has full tilt not been merged with pokerstars under one brand (pokerstars) I mean full tilt traffic at a guess must be declining compared versues poker-stars and as they are owned by the same company why don't they just merge the full tilt network into the pokerstars one?

I'm curious then by the same logic, what's to stop you guys from removing Hu from stars eventually?

Now get rid of the shallow tables!

Agree with both of these, especially being able to filter out certain types of table groups.

Man that's a really nice thing to say, thank-you.

I'm a Player Ambassador for Full Tilt, it's my job to get a feel for what the players want to see and relay that to management. Posting on 2+2 isn't part of my contract in order to make sure nobody can ever claim I'm trying to shill. It's my choice to post as little or as much as I want here.

<3

Same idea but very different implementation imo, as somebody else said Unibet take what I would call a more extreme approach, FT have a more balanced angle at the same problem. I'm not saying either is better than the other just two ways to attack the same issues.

Again <3

<3 I don't care what anyone says for the most part this site is filled with some really nice people

Thanks buddy.

One primary reason is the software of each site is totally different, would be a logistical nightmare to merge I would guess. Aside from that I personally think it's better to keep them separate and have them both offer different things for different people but for sure there is an argument for shared liquidity.

I have zero idea about anything to do with Stars sorry.

u notice in my post i didnt pick a side, i would have made the same post even if i agreed w insidemanpoker's views of the ftp changes. his post was condescending & rude, thats what i was pointing out

in regards to sparky, whether u agree w the views or not, he has been forthcoming w info and answering questions

This. Just make them capped tables.

This, just make them ante tables.

bad enough that they "streamlined" the edge leaderboards, now this...

can only imagine what they're going to do to SNGs

Doing things to improve the games yet increase the rake, sure thing FT. Why won't FT adopt a KOTH system for HU? Can't script or bumhunt that.

+1 to remove shallow / cap tables

Also, please allow monthly screen-name changes

sparky you seem like a nice guy, but i have to say this strikes me as a little disingenuous. if you were not paid by ftp you would be a representative of the players to them. however, as they do pay you (a "small sum compared to poker earnings"), you are instead ftp's rep to the players.

that's not to say you can't do a good job at that, and it seems you are endeavouring to do exactly that ITT. however, it is certainly that way round.

cap/shallow tables gives FT higher margins per deposit so I doubt they want to scrap them instinctively.

But if traffic doesn't pick up by September I think they will have to scrap them in order to condense the player pool.

They get rid of deep tables and cap tables to make the lobby look clearer and I feel the cash game lobby feels more littered and possibly confusing for a recreational player. Also get rid of shallow tables, nobody likes them.

Also, if there isn't some sort of strict sit out system then they have at Unibet it isn't really going to stop bumhunting if you can just sit at the table without playing for a considerable amount of time.

The lobby would look a lot cleaner if they just had regular 6 max tables, I'm sure nobody would miss 9 max disappearing.

So you go from hundreds of heads up tables to zero, like honestly who is the genius behind this idea, why would you remove all heads up tables? why not just leave 10 or even 5 per stake, and if anyone sits out for longer then a few minutes ban them for 2 hours, they either want to play or don't, you want to game select play lower stakes 50nl plo50 etc, until your good enough to sit at the bigger games KOTH, otherwise play 6 max.

Also rush and zoom hu tables are bs -- heads up poker is about playing your opponent and getting a read for his game, not clicking buttons playing tight nut peddling bumhunting style poker.

There are a lot of players that have put in a lot of effort to become good hu players, and to just ban all heads up tables is a nice fu to them.

I don't even play mixed games but to just ban them like that without any notification is also bs, what about the players who put in months or a year learning new games to only now turn up open the lobby and no mixed games?

If the lobby view was complicated for new players why not just have heads up tables in a different lobby like other sites do?

Also to not be able to rail tables is like wtf? like honestly, what you could not make a system where players could watch games and when they choose to play sit at a random table -- they would be seated still where you at them.

Also to to get rid of all high stakes tables is like weird, why not just have tables from 100-200 >> 250-500 and then the next being 10-20 -- so no 25-50 and 50-100 tables, because new players that deposit either want to play high stakes 100-200 plus, or wont play at all, you really think new players that deposit and play 1-2 to 10-20 will just jump and play 100-200, or 250-500? ofc not! plus many poker players look up to these high stakes players and for that very reason play poker in the first place. They also look up to heads up players and want to be like them, just getting rid of all these heads up tables and high stakes tables losses a lot of flare about poker. There needs to be a insensitive and idols in the games etc for new players to look up to.

IMO new players like action not sitting there vs nut peddling players and playing one hand every orbit, so get rid of nut peddling tables like 9 max and make all tables 6 max with antes, and leave some heads up tables ffs.

hey spark, are you allowed to just give a time frame of when these reward program changes are going to be made? as in within the next month or two or the next 3 or 4 months?

I agree with this post and don't take this the wrong way Sparky, but it seems as though you will side with FTP as they pay you, over the players. You may argue that you are not taking sides or are not on any side, but from what I can tell, you have a new source of income and this would logically mean that you would have a lack of urgency that the majority of players are feeling due to the updates. That may also stem from you being in the loop and everyone else waiting in anticipation. I do think you're doing a good job trying to address concerns and problems and I do appreciate that, so thank you.

My personal concerns are mainly;

1. streamlining of the edge leaderboards
2. new rake back changes
3. the automatic queue style seating being implemented in SNGs
4. removal of HU cash completely

Like everybody else, I guess I will have to optimistically wait to see what happens.

what if ftp management is smart and this is all just a marketing tactic with their end goal being higher rake.

try those bs changes, doesnt work, in 1 month move back to old format but make the rake higher at the same time explaining thats the best they can do.

most players would accept it and find it fair(players are happy/ftp makes more $$ in the end, ftp wins)

same as what coca cola did :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Coke