Yes but on the regulated ones is more obvious.

pokerstars.com right now NL25 : 201+58 (zoom) FR tables, 187+98 (zoom) SH.
NL100: 94+21+12 (CAP) FR tables, 63+83+26 (CAP) SH

Pokerstars.es right now: NL25: 10 FR, 49 SH
NL100: Only 2 FR tables, 18 SH.

The ratio is really different. If you are playing on a "regulated ****** style" country you have to play SH because you can't play FR since there are no traffic.

If you play .com and you like FR you can play it with no worries for the traffic so the ratio is different.

You do realize you are comparing sites that you can't even compare because there is 15x the amount of players on the .com Stars compared to any other site in the world right? Obviously a site that has more traffic than the top 15 online sites combined will be able to support more FR games. You didn't even compare the same game types and zoom isn't the same thing as regular cash tables.

It has nothing to do with regulated or unregulated. The majority of sites in the world aren't regulated and the majority of cash game traffic is 6 max. It's been going that direction for years.

Yes, sort of. By buying $5 comp dollars from the iRewards store.

I have a ton of iRewards pts and a Borgata b&m black card so I'm excited to buy them. I get all the way to the end of the transaction in the iRewards store and get an error.

I've tried to get through to their horrible support and am now trying to work through their social media person. I really want these comp dollars. Amphoraments

The better correlation I would think is more fish=more 9 max. More regs= more 6 max. NJ isn't to the point yet to have more fish than regs because it's brand new. If we had a US site you'd probably have a lot of 9 max because there would be a lot more fish.

Yeah, it's a known fact that regulated sites have a higher ratio of 6max to full ring games.

On regulated countries people are being forced to play SH since there are not FR traffic and thats why the ratio on stars.com is different.

Yes, 6max is becoming more popular each day, yes, it's going that direction for years, but if you are on .com and you want to play FR you are able to do so. If you are a regular player who likes FR and you are from Spain, France, Italy or NJ, you have to addapt and play SH since you can't play FR.

So yes, of course that the FR-SH ratio of tables is directly related to the regulation. SH is becoming more popular every day but ratios like NJ ones are irreal since people who really prefer full ring tables can't multitable it and end up switching to SH.

Source: Spanish forums some years ago on the regulation times full of regs asking for help to switch to SH since they weren't able to play FR anymore.

Could some one please tell me what is enabled for party.nj/borgota....HEM or Pt4? I can't seem to find the answer again in this thread

Am not claiming a thing. We are 3 weeks into launch. Do you think Apple started out as Apple?

Startup Company - A company or division that has not been in existence. Start from point zero. None of the online companies existed as a free standing entity before the NJ law was enacted. They were not LEGAL.

The majority started with available tools. Ultimate is the only site that has created their own platform beginning in Nevada. Planning has been on going in the case of Caesar's Interactive for years. But, as a legal entity the online businesses didn't officially begin operation until they went live to create revenues on November 21, 2013.

Betfair is an established marketing/gaming company with ties in NJ. They are the owners of TVG, the horse racing betting and TV service. They have publically stated in England that they are investing at least 10 million pounds in the operation. They have not rolled out a marketing program to this point. They are also waiting for Golden Nugget to get its act together on the poker side. They will not let an investment of this magnitude fail. Have you heard of their software crashing? Have they alienated any potential customers?

Launch weakness and pitfalls anticipated? If you ever did a beta rollout of any business entity you would know that software failure is number one on the list. In the case of software integration problems, this is point two. The sites, and the DGE knew that the geo-location was going to be a nightmare upfront. It had never been done before using these specific criteria. Do you think that these three weeks and probably through the end of the year were not anticipated? The DGE knew that a nine month rollout was pushing it. But, correcting major problems while you can still generate revenues is a risk they are all willing to take.

Do you think that even the best sites in the world do not crash, freeze, lockout players, have deposit and withdrawal problems, etc., etc.?

Poker is the impetus and the poster child for online gaming. 2Plus2 is poker oriented. The knowledge of the online casino businesses success and operation is not vital to this forum's interest.

The casino end is in no way an interest to those who do not play the other games. However, as a business model the blackjack, slot, roulette and other casino games' players is of interest to the online casinos, and especially the state coffers. It will be interesting in January when the DGE reports the results on their website on January 14, 2014. If you have followed the contribution of poker revenues in the B&M world, don't you wonder how much the other casino games will contribute to the online model? Do we as poker players care? Probably not. But it does fund the marketing programs.

And, the holy grail is still sitting on the back burner -- Sports Betting. Can you imagine if AC gets into this? (BTW who do you think the leader would be in this field? Could it be Betfair, the company already doing horse race betting?)

Hope this answers a few of your questions. HGWT.

You should be able to use both. I'm even using PT3. You have to search for where the HHs are iirc, but here. Try this: C:\Programs\theBorgata\BorgataPoker\HandHistory

So 888 tells me I have a restriction on my account at the cashier. Yet, 888 tells me they don't see any restrictions on my account. SMH

Just told the WSOP CS rep that he's basically useless. They have a chat feature but the workers seem like they don't want to do anything.

They join a chat and don't even say anything right away. I wonder if these people have any experience whatsoever or did they just hire whatever kids they could pay the least money.

I have been telling them that the Cashier gives me a message that there are restrictions on my account. They take 5 minutes and just tell me they don't see any restrictions on my account from their end. Ok, so that's it? Jeez. I would think any business could go in solve that problem easily if there shouldn't be a restriction. Now I sent them a screenshot of the message as if they've never heard of this screen and know nothing of it. How do they not know this?

It took forever to get an answer. I will give 888 some credit. They seem to not want to do anything but they at least eventually went to try to find an answer for me. Their supervisor must be just as clueless as they are. WSOP seemed the worst though. Incredible that it's still an issue.

I have talked to many different chat reps so they have a bunch working and some were better than others for sure.

bro, it's not a done deal...PS basically has 2 years to decide how to proceed with their application. The DGE just called the clock, they have two years to act on their hand.

But yes, PS is the only NJ site I will play on (once I donk off my 888 freeroll money)

What makes you think this has anything to do with regulation? Stop and think for a second and ask yourself how regulation could possibly affect what games people choose to play.

The issue you describe is one of size. I just went and checked the ratios of NL games on some other sites on PokerScout:

OnGame 154 SH 0 FR
IPN 411 SH 78 FR
PKR 256 SH 56 FR

Those are all non-regulated sites. Most (all?) regulated sites are small, but not all small sites are regulated*.


*Of course, I assume by regulated, we're referring to government regulated, because pretty much all sites are "regulated" by someone.

Am I correct to assume at the highest level black label elite, it is essentially 15% rakeback on the $25 bonuses?

Hey stupid question because I'm downloading 888 right now. but can you use the same username on wsop as on 888?

No

thanks appreciate it.

Trying to gauge interest in a potential venture....

Do you think there would be enough demand for a poker club in NJ? A shared house/building in Jersey that only exists for the purpose of playing online poker in NJ? You could have a leased share so you'd have a NJ address, 24/7 access, enough WiFi connections, etc.

What would you be willing to pay for a share of it? $100/month? $200? $300? More? If you already live in NJ and it's convenient would you want to be a part of it?

No. That would not work and it would be illegal to begin with.

I don't understand some of these freerolls. Why is WSOP paying 75 spots? It makes no sense to pay 23 cents, 31, cents, etc. They should at least be prizes of something people can play with. Maybe .80 minimum.

I've heard from a few sources you can get more 10K tickets on 888 by playing 5 MTTs in a day. Does this mean i can reg for 5 $1 dollar tournaments while i'm at work for tickets? Pretty easy to min cash for the $50 def worth paying 5 dollars for 2 tickets.

They are software companies. The software already existed. Party poker server/client software - not new. 888 software - not new. Ultimate software - sort of new, but they have already rolled out in NV, so not brand new. Betfair has NO customers to alienate. DOA.

The DGE clearly couldn't care less about players in NJ being unable to play because of geo-location errors; they are only concerned about the converse. If Party Poker anticipated these problems, they might have considered contracting a few more third world support people to man their phone lines and live chat connections.

I am a software engineer in a company far more regulated that online poker is in NJ. We could never release any of the crap that PP et al has unveiled. We test our software. Some of it HAS to work by law - 24/7/365 no matter what. And there is a QUALITY requirement as well. The sites - total amateurs.

Poker vs non-poker revenues in the B&M world will bear little relationship to poker vs non-poker revenues online. Poker players can multi-table online, but can't in a B&M. Part of the appeal to table games in a B&M is the atmosphere. Chicks wearing very little clothing. Free booze. Having a party with friends. Being pampered in a nice hotel. None of this translates online.

Why are we even talking about sports betting?

With those sort of regulations I'm assuming your software is used in hospitals or something of the sort. I can accept all the early launch issues no problem but as you said support is absolute garbage. Online poker players are already extremely stigmatized about being screwed over. I'm pretty sure a fair amount will agree customer support is at the top of their list in terms of deciding where they will play long term. It is extremely obvious trying to reach borgata/party that it is indeed an outsourced call center with what I'd assume by the wait time is no more than a handful of employees. They are willing to pay these ridiculous tournament overlays to attract customers but won't hire a few more support agents? Brilliant. If the party rep happens to read this i've been locked out of my account for over a week and refuse to contact support anymore. If something can be done please private message me.

Do any of the NJ sites have any games other than HE consistently running?

WSOP has PLO on weekends