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10-03-2008 , 06:19 AM
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Originally Posted by apefish
omg bob if you really want this is very easy to test yourself. simply open up 4-5 tables at your regular level and sit for an hour or so. your numbers should be fairly reflective of what you can expect of the flops over a larger sample. of course they won't be perfect but they'll come fairly close, certainly within an acceptable margin of error.

the zoo can't be doing all your calculations for you.











lolol
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10-03-2008 , 06:32 AM
Bob, you damn well PROVED my point entirely what u said.

IT has NEVER been done, an analysis! except what stars says, some independent company.....of course, like some company that stars selects is then going to say umm your site is flawed...give me a break.

So by you admitting as well that it has NEVER been done, then how the hell are you or anybody else saying no way in hell can it not be misprogrammed.

You have zero facts yourself or zero stats EXCEPT oh you have sat a few tables and "observed" so now you have now the for sure opinion that it is straight up....

my god, seriously, did most of you ever take a business course in college? it is simple business logic when your dealing with a business model such as online poker that there is a large amount of incentive for the site to produce outlandish results to ENSURE maximim rake.

Think about it, hypothetically, 3 hands enter the flop, is it not to their advantage to create a flop where all 3 hands have pieces of the flop so action is produced? hell yes they would.

But from my years of experience playing live, you do not see the same amount of connections to flops as players entering the pots.....

Sure i dont have a freakin 500,000 hands in from of me, i am "observing" right now as much as YOU ARE bob....so why the hell is your opinion more worthy of being allmighty versus mine? cause your a freakin moderator? that makes your opinion better? get real.

If you have player after player after player making the same accusation day after day in forums, then wake up dude and smell the coffee, there is reason to believe these sites are doing it.

But if u wish to disprove these concepts and say no way it is possible, then like i said, i sure as hell hope these sites are paying you big bucks to take their back.

sheesh i am so done here ...such ignorant idiots
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10-03-2008 , 06:47 AM
budgetsuites - you misread Bob....

The ANALYSIS has been done - many times with MANY hands by MANY people. What he's saying is that nobody has proved that there are excessive flushy flops (or anything else for that matter).

Get data on 500,000 consecutive flops and prove Bob wrong!
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10-03-2008 , 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by budgetsuites
Bob, you damn well PROVED my point entirely what u said.

IT has NEVER been done, an analysis! except what stars says, some independent company.....of course, like some company that stars selects is then going to say umm your site is flawed...give me a break.

So by you admitting as well that it has NEVER been done, then how the hell are you or anybody else saying no way in hell can it not be misprogrammed.

You have zero facts yourself or zero stats EXCEPT oh you have sat a few tables and "observed" so now you have now the for sure opinion that it is straight up....

my god, seriously, did most of you ever take a business course in college? it is simple business logic when your dealing with a business model such as online poker that there is a large amount of incentive for the site to produce outlandish results to ENSURE maximim rake.

Think about it, hypothetically, 3 hands enter the flop, is it not to their advantage to create a flop where all 3 hands have pieces of the flop so action is produced? hell yes they would.

But from my years of experience playing live, you do not see the same amount of connections to flops as players entering the pots.....

Sure i dont have a freakin 500,000 hands in from of me, i am "observing" right now as much as YOU ARE bob....so why the hell is your opinion more worthy of being allmighty versus mine? cause your a freakin moderator? that makes your opinion better? get real.

If you have player after player after player making the same accusation day after day in forums, then wake up dude and smell the coffee, there is reason to believe these sites are doing it.

But if u wish to disprove these concepts and say no way it is possible, then like i said, i sure as hell hope these sites are paying you big bucks to take their back.

sheesh i am so done here ...such ignorant idiots
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10-03-2008 , 07:35 AM
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Originally Posted by budgetsuites
Bob, you damn well PROVED my point entirely what u said.

IT has NEVER been done, an analysis
That is not what he said.
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You have zero facts yourself or zero stats
but you have stats to prove its wrong obviously?
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my god, seriously, did most of you ever take a business course in college? it is simple business logic when your dealing with a business model such as online poker that there is a large amount of incentive for the site to produce outlandish results to ENSURE maximim rake
Thats what you learned in college?


I do think online is rigged though. I have never been disconnected live - proof I think.
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10-03-2008 , 07:42 AM
OP/budgetsuit I'm surprised no one has pm'ed you guys this yet, but the reason the RNG is rigged against you is you haven't sent $0.02 to "Kidpoker". After sending, the RNG will be rigged in your favour for 1000 hands, after which you will have to send again.

Mods/Pokerstars shills, please delete if you think OP shouldnt know this because he doesnt have 100 posts yet. I know there is a 100 post minimum for this kind of info, but we can avoid these threads if this info was just put in the sticky.
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10-03-2008 , 07:48 AM
Hey NSidhu, I'll let you into a little secret - when you get to 200 posts they tell you it was all a lie anyway and that online really is rigged. That's why these threads are almost always by new posters. They don't have the inside knowledge.

Also by the time you have made 38000 posts like Bob you have heard everything and written about it that you don't know what is true any more. That's when the men with white coats turn up on your doorstep and cart you off. Bob - I hear your doorbell ringing I think, please go and answer it.
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10-03-2008 , 07:58 AM
F U shill !!!
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10-03-2008 , 07:59 AM
Rek when you get to 4,000 posts they reveal that the mods really don't exist.
Greg Olden is really in charge of everything.
Just giving you a heads up.
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10-03-2008 , 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by apefish
Rek when you get to 4,000 posts they reveal that the mods really don't exist.
Greg Olden is really in charge of everything.
Just giving you a heads up.
Damn just how deep does this go?

And a world where Greg Olden rules? now that would be something to behold.
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10-03-2008 , 09:11 AM
OP needs to be ****** in the *** then banned. ****ing *****.

Last edited by Mike Haven; 10-03-2008 at 09:48 AM.
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10-03-2008 , 09:22 AM
AssFrister

quality poast u "AssFrister"

Last edited by Mike Haven; 10-03-2008 at 09:46 AM.
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10-03-2008 , 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by JimRob
I have a little over 100,000 hand histories. Roughly 25k hands per year.
25k hands? WOW. thats a long day for me. but it is rigged imo.
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10-03-2008 , 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by budgetsuites
Bob, you damn well PROVED my point entirely what u said.

IT has NEVER been done, an analysis! except what stars says, some independent company.....of course, like some company that stars selects is then going to say umm your site is flawed...give me a break.

So by you admitting as well that it has NEVER been done, then how the hell are you or anybody else saying no way in hell can it not be misprogrammed.

You have zero facts yourself or zero stats EXCEPT oh you have sat a few tables and "observed" so now you have now the for sure opinion that it is straight up....

my god, seriously, did most of you ever take a business course in college? it is simple business logic when your dealing with a business model such as online poker that there is a large amount of incentive for the site to produce outlandish results to ENSURE maximim rake.

Think about it, hypothetically, 3 hands enter the flop, is it not to their advantage to create a flop where all 3 hands have pieces of the flop so action is produced? hell yes they would.

But from my years of experience playing live, you do not see the same amount of connections to flops as players entering the pots.....

Sure i dont have a freakin 500,000 hands in from of me, i am "observing" right now as much as YOU ARE bob....so why the hell is your opinion more worthy of being allmighty versus mine? cause your a freakin moderator? that makes your opinion better? get real.

If you have player after player after player making the same accusation day after day in forums, then wake up dude and smell the coffee, there is reason to believe these sites are doing it.

But if u wish to disprove these concepts and say no way it is possible, then like i said, i sure as hell hope these sites are paying you big bucks to take their back.

sheesh i am so done here ...such ignorant idiots
Keep trying to find excuses as the why you are a loser bro. The simple fact is that you suck at poker. Get over it.
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10-03-2008 , 10:39 AM
I'm really interested in these 100k hands. I'm not surprised that they have not been provided.

Also OP. how did you do the statistical analysis that led you to discover the flush discrepancy?
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10-03-2008 , 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by JimRob
...games end faster and the servers are available for more games...
very sneaky!
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10-03-2008 , 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by aggie
Thanks so much for the heads up....This perfectly explains why my opponents seem to have been hitting their str8s and flushes on me so often...Definitely rigged IMO
[x] Your an idiot

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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
Yeah, that must be it.

Or maybe, like many of us, after the 237,482nd thread just like this was started, they got sick of it. The only difference with this one is that you're promising hand histories. Until you deliver, unfortunately it's just another rigged thread like the rest.

We anxiously await delivery.
Exactly this, i firmly believe online poker is not rigged and think people like jimbob who talk shi/t without any proof (saying you have 1000's of hand histories and not posting is not proof) Until someone proves to me that the hands are prerecorded im still gonna play.

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Originally Posted by LawJik
OMFG 1 outter on the river on the bubble today, Full Tilt is rigged tooo!!

I ran a sample and have only been in this situation 4 times, and I already got busted! It should only happen like 2 out of every 100!?!??!!111

What will we do?

18man - t300/t600 Blinds - 5 players

SB: t5040
BB: t7320
Hero (UTG): t4140
CO: t4470
BTN: t6030

Pre Flop: (t900) Hero is UTG with A K
Hero raises to t4140 all in, CO raises to t4470 all in, 3 folds

Hero shows A K (two pair, Aces and Kings)
CO shows K K (three of a kind, Kings)

Flop: (t9180) 3 A 6

Turn: (t9180) J

River: (t9180) K

Final Pot: CO wins t9180
This is the stupidest post, what bonus would any company have in rigging a tournment, its only cash games where they would recieve more rake that makes sense, and what in fuc/ks name are you on about describing it as a '1 outer' when you are the tosspot who sucked out in the first place.

Glad to see the mods dont put up with this bs and im sick of reading these dumbas/s threads where someone takes one bad beat and suddenly the whole world is conspiriing against then.
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10-03-2008 , 10:51 AM
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how did you do the statistical analysis that led you to discover the flush discrepancy?
i call for a ZOMG ITS RIGGED mspaintoff, or has this occured already somewhere?
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10-03-2008 , 11:20 AM
ZOMG, OP is right! I've been playing sooted trash this morning and my winrate has gone up tremendously. So many monotone flops. Thanks, OP! I never realized that poker was this easy!
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10-03-2008 , 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by YouCheckIRaise
[x] Your an idiot
[x] Ironic
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10-03-2008 , 11:28 AM
I knew this thread wouldn't disappoint!
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10-03-2008 , 12:28 PM
OH NO I GOT AN INFRACTION. Why doesnt OP get an infraction for worst post ever? Getting ******* in the **** is not enough for him. Infraction too plz. Then ban obv.

Unless he produces hand histories. Then I take it all back. Cause of course he is going to produce genuine, non-cherry picked hand histories, right? LOL.
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10-03-2008 , 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by JimRob
Why such contempt Black Peter and Niss do you work for PokerStars?
Sorry for the delay in responding to this, JimRob.

Yes I do work for PokerStars. I am in the "flop rigging" office. Perhaps I should get Mr. Olden, from our "river rigging" office, to join the discussion.
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10-03-2008 , 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by niss
Sorry for the delay in responding to this, JimRob.

Yes I do work for PokerStars. I am in the "flop rigging" office. Perhaps I should get Mr. Olden, from our "river rigging" office, to join the discussion.


Hahaha any thread with a mention of the legendary Greg Olden is a good one IMO.
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10-03-2008 , 01:18 PM
OP plz post these 100k hands.
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