Mike you must be bored or something...

I seriously hope OP is trying to enter all 100k hands into the converter now! No seriously bring on the HHs we are all dying for others to statistically analyze them for our enjoyment. Poast Poast Poast

Careful, he might interpret this as a challenge.

LOL. Did you really think anyone took me seriously?

thats 2 weeks for me if im not being lazy

But posting all 100k hands would be funny. go for it

Oops, I guess I shouldn't have PMed you that Stars bonus question.

Actually I can agree with you. I have been playing Poker full time the last 3 years. I have played at PokerRoom, PokerStars, Full Tilt, Absolute Poker, and Cake Poker. I play Heads-Up Full Time. At PokerRoom (non-US and before the law) I was a winning player. My sharkscope graph as well as personal recordings showed a straight upward diagonal line of my winnings. I won on average 63.3% long-term playing $100 Heads-Up stakes at PokerRoom. After the law I began to play at PokerStars. Long-term I was 54-55% and showed a graph that was very choppy. While playing I always complained about bad beats. And have never been so frustrated at poker than when I played at PokerStars. It is to my personal belief that 30% will win half the time against 70%. A-K vs A-J you can expect that J to come. And if I AM holding A-J against A-K I felt confident in my hand and sure enough I would win. Also, I've noticed a PATTERN on their RNG in such a way that I was able to predict the turn and river after seeing the flop and looking at my hand. Or if both players are all-in pre-flop, you are holding 8-8 and opponent has A-J for example. If the board pairs (like 10-2-2), it wont pair you on the turn or river. But if it came in K-2-2. Because of that King it signified a higher card coming on the turn or river. Basically, that King was the start of the next sequence. The 2-2 for example was pointless. But the turn and river cards will revolve around that King. Either a 10-J-Q- or Ace will come in. I know it sounds like a lot of cards but it happens repeatedly. ALSO is the pattern when the board comes in 10-Q-4. If the 2 cards give you a straight oppurtunity you can sit back and relax as the turn and river will surely produce that J-K or A. It all depends on what the flop is, you can predict the turn and river. And even if you are NOT all-in. Suppose the flop comes in 4-5-6. A 2,3,7, or 8 is VERY likely to come in. You would think if it was truly random something like K-K would come on turn / river. But it does not happen that way. Theres always a card that continues the sequence you identified on the flop. A K-K on turn and river is considered pointless to a flop like that which is building towards a straight. Also, the underdog hand on a pre-flop all-in is more likely to improve on the turn. So for example, you have A-J and opponent has 8-8. Flop comes 5-6-Ace. You pull in the lead, however the turn will be another suit that helps the 8-8 hand, or another connector for a straight draw on river. You'll be surprised so expect it! It is RARELY ever seen when a hand like A-K against A-J that a King would be flopped, and its basically over. And if it rarely does, a 10 or a Q would come on flop with it to produce more outs for the weaker hand. I played at PokerStars for about a year and 3 months. Played full time, at least 40 hours a week, and put in between 100 and 300 heads-up matches a week. I was able to see patterns in heads-up matches during this time.

I also want to mention that PokerStars REFUSES to be Ecogra verified which is a non-profit organization that monitors fair gaming. PokerRoom I originally played at was and I could tell the RNG was accurate. PokerStars is NOT. And so after being fed up with these horrendous PokerStar beats I played at Full Tilt. FT was more accurate. Though I've had some complaints so it might be sketchy as well. I might play there again. Absolute Poker, I tried out and the RNG is not accurate. Similar to PStars and I vouched to never play there again. And so right now I am playing at Cake Poker for the high rakeback and lets see how well the RNG is there ... I am in LOVE with it. Its anybodys game at Cake. Theres no patterns, and the favorite hand is more likely to win
and hold up for you.

Im not a kid complaining about bad beats, this has been through lots of experience at different sites. So far I only trust Cake Poker, and maybe Full Tilt.

Also, at PokerStars if you play multi table tournaments like their Guarantees, if you are being dealt a string of really good cards ... luck will be on your side. You have a better chance of winning at 20% if its "favoring" you as I like to call it.

Thanks for this post here, I was considering playing at PStars in the Guarantee tournaments, that I will do now and then but not full time after you reminded me of what I went through with them.

And to everybody, play at PokerStars if you wish but there are a lot of people including myself who honestly think something is wrong there =/

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I'm sure what you wrote, the intentions were to be a level.... but the sad thing is, everything is true, joking or not.

Wow Ertai - you really do believe that don't you.

Excellent, now Ertai2 and MrCasino can add their hand histories in as well. This promises to be a great thread.

Agreed - 100,325 hand histories will be better than 100,000

i am willing to wajor $100 with OP that i had more positive all-in luck in the 100k hands i played on stars in september than he had negative over his 100k sample.

If he and any others wish to put the hand histories in a word document I know a guy who knows a lawyer.

But first they need to post 147 threads on how good they are at the game and they just get really really unlucky. The lawyer only takes the unluckiest clients.

if they havn't got 147 are they snookered? This lawyer, he doesn't make out he is a student lawyer and posts here from a very scary room 101?

Ertai, i agree with you 100% and in fact, i wrote a similiar message echoeing this on the 2/7 thread how stars changed the rules slightly and all i got was a bunch of complete idiots with their oh no way could it be true blah blah..

Every single thing you said is completely accurate , but what really gets my blood boiling is how these players who do not work for stars or have anything to gain financially by saying oh it is so accurate and so random, why the hell are they continually arguing to say it is very accurate? what freakin facts do they have?

Have they done a random study of 500,000 hands? probably none of these argumentative clowns have yet they just love to talk smack with every single thread that questions a site ethics.

Why is it so damn hard to believe for one second ESPECIALLY after the scandals that have already occured online that just for one moment that stars could be altering the rng to favor their rake thus creating strange sequences and making poker MUCH more difficult to play correctly...

yes there is no correct way, but mathematically speaking if you know flushes are supposed to hit a certain percentage of the time and it hits far higher, than how can you make accurate decisions? you can't thus making the game completely absurd to play.

We trust a site that they are 100% honest, ethical and yes produce a random sequence but the site is NOT random , however, the problem is , there is no way to prove it......

Hell you could get a sample of 100,000 hands and then show those hands that the flushes hit WAY higher than normal stats and some idiot would say "oh that is just that sample" , how about get a sample of every hand on stars history....

these idiots will ALWAYS have an answer to every accusation...

That is why it is pointless to sit and write these posts and make these arguments as it is going nowhere cause your dealing with closed minded "we love the online poker world" mentality, cause they are for the most part, degenerate losing players who thrive on arguing!

that is the poker world forum for you in a nutshell.

I really look forward to this proof that monotone flops happen about 1:9 times.

well they are certainly behind the 8-ball at that point.

As to the second part I'll have to ask fgators.

budget - If you showed me a sample of 100k hands of more monotone flops or ore flushes hitting than should be possible I would be the first in line to call for an investigation of Stars and I think almost all the others joking around in this thread would be with me.

We would not say, "Oh, it's only a sample."

It has not been done. Ever.
If somebody would just be so kind as to post ANY proof of any kind of rigging then we would be right there to say, "Ummm, that doesn't look right. WTF is going on?"

The willingness of 2+2'ers to expose the AP scandal and later the UB scandal and to NOT defend these sites nor say stuff like, "Oh, it's only a sample" is only the most obvious proof anyone can possibly have that 2+2'ers do NOT blindly defend the poker sites and that given accurate and appropriate data WILL blast away.

It's comical how some of you rigged-conspiracy boys love to talk about how so many 2+2'ers just blindly defend the sites when WE were the ones who were pushing to expose those big freaking scandals.
Give ANY relevant evidence of issues with Stars or any other site and we'll be there.
Not, "Oh...you can just tell it's all screwed up."
Not, "I won more on some other site. When I went to Stars it was tougher and I took more bad beats."
ANYTHING that isn't anecdotal idiocy.

If the OP really has a 100k sample of monotone flops hitting 2x as often as they should then that would truly be significant. I really don't think he has it. I believe he either miscounted or he's making it up.
But absent him showing ANY of it I guess we'll never know.

Incredible how ALL these people who post claims of something happening WAY more than it should NEVER post any freaking HH's.
Just post the hands. Stars gives them all to you. It isn't hard. Except for the part that nothing is freaking wrong with the cards in the first place.


p.s. - 25k hands a year? I guess you don't like poker very much.
Also, if you're so sure it's so rigged then why wouldn't you post your online name? Surely you're not going to continue playing there anyway after this awesome determination.
It's possible some of the 2+2'ers have HH's with you in their databases. They can help you analyze whether you are playing well or not.

omg bob if you really want this is very easy to test yourself. simply open up 4-5 tables at your regular level and sit for an hour or so. your numbers should be fairly reflective of what you can expect of the flops over a larger sample. of course they won't be perfect but they'll come fairly close, certainly within an acceptable margin of error.

the zoo can't be doing all your calculations for you.

ape - I've done that. It all looks fine to me!
But if anyone has any numbers for THEM that disagree to show how Stars is rigged against them (but that in the games I play everything is evidently fine) then I would be extremely interested to see it.

I want the last 10 minutes back of reading this thread.

For every loser there must be a winner right, so who's winning if everyone loses?

I'm shocked - I think Bob came very close to swearing there.