Is Merge Security capable of policing games? Overwhelming Evidence of MERGE O8 Irregularities - Page 7 - Internet Poker

And 100 percent merge should pay people back if collusion is proven since the red flags that should trigger a full analysis of whether it was happening seem to be there while they were taking money out of the community.

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12-28-2011 , 04:07 AM

#152

HamGB

enthusiast

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Originally Posted by AJB4

In a post BF world, with field sizes much smaller....it became a little different and we found ourselves at the same table quite frequently.

Did you and your wife ever share hole cards? You said there were times where that may have appeared to have been the case.. Are you saying that in all of those times, such as the examples presented in this thread, you were not sharing hole cards? Yes or no.

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12-28-2011 , 05:25 AM

#153

Rainbow Warrior

flight risk

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Originally Posted by AJB4

Colluding - I think you will find it pretty hard to make this case.

collusion is indisputable
there were HUNL sngs together (see next post)
SS will not filter those out and then give Played Together details.

Nevertheless the huge increase in combined ROI when Together speaks.
These are almost all small field (~90) O8 MTTs on Merge

Last edited by Rainbow Warrior; 12-28-2011 at 06:29 AM.

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12-28-2011 , 06:18 AM

#154

Rainbow Warrior

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Originally Posted by AJB4

Moving money - I am guilty here. I don't think you can really call it "chip-dumping" as that is designed to give one opponent an advantage over the others, etc. After a review of Merge's policies I believe I am guilty of violating the one that says something about "intentionally losing a hand".

"I believe"

More like "intentionally winning a hand"

A total of 23 HUNL sngs played:
18 sngs vs passthesalsa; 5 vs HalKatB

Also Merge Security, if there is such an entity, might look at the one guy
passthesalsa beat, FridayBlack on Dec 18 and at a player called O8Grinder who beat passthesalsa 3 times for $480.

passthesalsa's other losses were, of course, 18 times to the 'Super Hot' HUNL player 444AJB and his cohort HalKatB, 6 times.

ty SharkScope

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12-28-2011 , 08:22 AM

#155

39suited

But it was suited

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Originally Posted by Rainbow Warrior

ty SharkScope

ty Rainbow Warrior

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12-28-2011 , 09:09 AM

#156

AlienSpaceBat

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Originally Posted by Rainbow Warrior

Busted.

WP RW.

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12-28-2011 , 09:13 AM

#157

anononon

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Yeah. We can totally trust poker sites to manage their own security, right?

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12-28-2011 , 09:22 AM

#158

e1cnr

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Originally Posted by 39suited

ty Rainbow Warrior

passthesalsa's sharksope by itself does not look very impressive, but when you see where all the losses/transfers are from, all I can say is wow

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12-28-2011 , 10:33 AM

#159

FoxwoodsComeUp

grinder

Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 481

really, another collusion scandal solved by the players themselves, while the site security sits back, not even doing their jobs?

then when presented with the problem, they try and sweep it under the rug, and voila, the evidence gets released. kudos to hoss and the other for handling the situation excellently and may we one day have a poker site that we can play on where there is no funny business.

shame on you ajb

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12-28-2011 , 11:44 AM

#160

Squadooooosh

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Wow. Just wow. Good find RW. Merge rep would be nice in here. Lol @ not keeping something small as hhs

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12-28-2011 , 01:35 PM

#161

StlPride

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Originally Posted by drkamikaze

seems like an obv case of chip dumping to me.

EDIT: Based on ABJ's post below, this is even more obvious collusion, and halkatb, supposedly his "wife", dumps 50bbs to his "horse". If your wife is supposedly a very strong O8 player ABJ, how come she can't find a fold on a K high flop with 2 spades (so no flush draw) and then a turn board pair against someone she would obviously know is your "horse"/you?

Doesn't even come close to passing the smell test.

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Originally Posted by drkamikaze

fyp

also, "your wife", who is a "very strong O8 player" dumps all of "her" chips to passthesalsa in the hand above with QQ and no flush draw on a K high board with two spades when the board pairs and there is lots of action, because, knowing you and your "horse" so well, "she" thinks you/salsa are bluffing?

right. that is plausible. rofl.

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Originally Posted by Kittens

In before "misclick"

Ummm, if you go ahead and read the HH, QQ92 was actually a little bit ahead of the 7543 on the flop, and called < 1 bb on the turn.

Also, the entire pot doesn't even come to 50bb unless we include the uncalled bet of 6k. HalKatB only starts the hand with 12bb.

If you want to lambast him for colluding, at least make some logical arguments.

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12-28-2011 , 01:41 PM

#162

pokerchef12

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Originally Posted by FoxwoodsComeUp

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12-28-2011 , 01:45 PM

#163

jmurjeff

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Originally Posted by StlPride

What does that have to do with anything? Being ahead does not mean anything. For instance by your logic the ten high call by the super user was correct because it was ahead.

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12-28-2011 , 01:53 PM

#164

StlPride

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Originally Posted by jmurjeff

What does that have to do with anything? Being ahead does not mean anything. For instance by your logic the ten high call by the super user was correct because it was ahead.

I am simply pointing out inaccuracies in her argument. If we were to argue that there was collusion taking place in that hand, it would be the other way around.

Certainly being ahead does not mean anything! Certainly we can chip dump to the person who is the underdog in the hand!

And that literally has nothing to do with my logic.

But the super user's call was clearly correct, he was ahead.

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12-28-2011 , 02:03 PM

#165

jmurjeff

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Originally Posted by StlPride

Ok super user call was correct your right. Now I do agree that in that hand the person didn't have many chips. Now the leading out by that other player may have been cause he knew two queens were out right? Or was trying to double the other player up.

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12-28-2011 , 02:18 PM

#166

tarheelbluez

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another example of carbons/merge FAIL as a room.......

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12-28-2011 , 03:41 PM

#167

StlPride

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Originally Posted by jmurjeff

Stop trying to analyze the hand, you are wasting your time. Neither hand history provided was a good example of collusion. I would guess that if any collusion took place at the tables it would be virtually undetectable in hand histories.

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12-28-2011 , 04:06 PM

#168

sajeffe

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Originally Posted by 39suited

ty Rainbow Warrior

+1 Nice job, Rainbow Warrior! Thank you.

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12-28-2011 , 04:33 PM

#169

the orange crush

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I can not even begin to understand why the site does not have all of the hands saved.

Its open season for multiaccounters and botters obv.

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12-28-2011 , 04:46 PM

#170

cfreaks

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Originally Posted by StlPride

LOL... collusion took place pre flop. Two crap hands are generally better than one decent hand.

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12-28-2011 , 05:09 PM

#171

the orange crush

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playing with two accounts gives you the ability to play a high hand and a low hand separately, greatly increasing your ability to chip up easily.

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12-28-2011 , 05:16 PM

#172

3 pair

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Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 9

That makes no sense. None of these hands posted show anything related to collusion. You guys are raking this guy through the coals based on the fact he plays with his wife.merge has their entire HHs at their disposal and they don’t ban someone just because they have a relationship to another player.

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12-28-2011 , 05:24 PM

#173

Rant

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Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,436

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Originally Posted by the orange crush

I can not even begin to understand why the site does not have all of the hands saved.

It is my understanding that full hand histories are saved but they contain the hole cards of all players.

They can't send the histories out unaltered, and show you everyone's hole cards, so they just refuse to send hand histories to anyone.

Please correct this if it is wrong! 8)

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12-28-2011 , 05:49 PM

#174

E Dar

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Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 49

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Originally Posted by 3 pair

If you played with these names on a regular basis you would understand they don't normally play these hands, unless with one of the other names listed at the same table. That with all the other evidence is enough to rake em through the coals. Do you pick up what is being put down now?

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12-28-2011 , 05:56 PM

#175

omaha8shaun

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Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 1,247

I remember awhile back UB/AP was running a big buy in ($200ish) MTT. They were losing a ton of money on Satellites that ended up always having huge overlays. AJB4 and AJB444 (one his AP account and one his UB account)both qualified for the tourney through a satty.Many people reported him for multi accounting the main tourney on 2 accounts but nothing ever came of it. He said it was his wife playing on one of the accounts and he was playing the other.

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