Circumstantial evidence can be undone with one fact wrong in the chain of events, and it can also be confusing to a jury. I certainly wouldn't call it as strong as a confession.

However, this case is not circumstantial. What you have is multiple eyewitnesses, a motive, character witnesses, and unbelievable testimony coming from the defendant who has already been impeached, and completely discredited by his own words regarding the truth of the matter asserted. You also have a lot of credible hearsay, which in the gambling community has merit and is definitely admissible to the court of public opinion.

His health problems go to show character because of his morbid obesity. It shows a lack of self-control. He allegedly faced death because of his choices in what he ate, so I think it is part of the whole story. Most of us poker players are lazy and have been through periods of poor lifestyle habits, but 250kg is a far different ballgame.

I disagree Buzz.

When it comes to unsubstantiated accusations, I can certainly see why an OP should be questioned, deleted and banned.

But OP brings some pretty decent evidence to the table and Mega's story doesn't really add up either (he's even clearly lied a few times as well in the parts we can verify).

Further, did you see Bobo's screenshot? Can't you see why the OP might be a bit hesitant to come forward? Mega is clearly threatening whoever attacked him in that screenshot and also verifies to us that he was lying in this thread on a few things. The remaining stuff, we're led to believe a very unlikely (and unverified) story. Even if the unknown parts he explained were true, your post is about if this should be discussed, and he's already clearly lied about some other stuff and he's also shown that OP has every reason to want to stay anonymous to Mega.

I can see why you might want to be hesitant to avoid a witch hunt, but I think this clearly is not a witch hunt. A guy with two usernames on one site that he's traded with, sitting the same tables, claiming he doesn't VPN, but trades on non USA accounts all the time, comes up with a story for his second account, says he doesn't VPN, then someone shows the chat where he not only VPNs but sets up other players and threatens to go after whoever the OP that gave this info is... I'm not sure why everyone is talking about health conditions and trials and juries and justice systems. This seems like a straightforward issue to explore, but so many are not focused on the topic at hand...

I wonder if OP knows this guy personally. Maybe he has first hand knowledge about the situation. But I am speculating but I agree there is some pretty heavy evidence. Can anyone verify if the accounts that were listed played together? I mean besides the picture in the OP.

Just as a witness account, I guess. But as I said ITT, I watched both "HotFeet1969" and "GKalltheway" play at the same table for moments within I'd say a 20 minute period while I was playing in the $1k GTD $5.50 rebuy. I didn't watch every hand with a magnifying glass, but it did seem that those two players were avoiding each other - that's just speculation, though, really.

OP looks like sufficient evidence for cheating, regardless of everyone saying he's 'hiding' behind a screen name. Pretty fishy for sure.

Not to beat a dead horse but the US government has a secret witness program that compels people to come forward with information everyday! So to disregaurd the OP's evidence because he/she wants to remain unknown, has nothing to do with current USA legal practice at all. Sorry Buzz!

The US government doesn't take in witnesses whose identities they don't know. They very thoroughly vet their witnesses. Absolutely nobody has vetted the OP. So why shouldn't a moderator be able to thoroughly vet the OP?

Wait, what?

If the OP has made a shill account because he is afraid of revenge from the evil megamonster, why should he be afraid of telling a moderator who he is?

Oh, I see...I thought you had an expectation of a moderator doing some kind of investigation.

I think you guys are getting waaaaay to hung up on the OP here - the evidence is what matters most.

Some pretty terrible analogies in here too IMO. If we're going to keep running with criminal trial comparisons - OP has presented some evidence, and there seem to be plenty of well-known posters that would be willing to take this evidence and charge OP with a crime. If there's no reason to believe the evidence is falsified, I don't think courtrooms are too concerned about who originally brought the evidence to light. OP isn't a witness - he's providing evidence that should be able to be verified with no further input from him.

all right, how about you start a thread in atf about vetting all future op's?

mega was more or less caught pants down imo, and it seems really odd that op's identity puzzles some that much.

So why not just humor us and find out who he is?

How?

I mean, you really don't think an IP check hasn't been done already, do you?

Ask him. He's obviously using a shill account. He shouldn't even be doing that. His real account will probably have a lot to say about him.

Anyone can ask him if they like. The only reason he'd tell me anything different than you is if I were to commit not to tell anyone, so what would be the point?

Like I said, way too much focus on OP IMO. Either the evidence is sound, or it isn't - source is pretty irrelevant.

you say that with the same authority as me when i say that you are obviously shilling for mega.

evidence of cheating has been presented, and all you care for is the identity of the presenter?

please, if you honestly have ethical issues with an anonymus whistleblower here on 2+2, fight that fight at atf. cluttering and derailing this thread will not help the community.

This AINEC

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...ailer-1320667/

Strange......

I expressed my opinion privately in responses to private messages from you and I also expressed my opinion in a post above (I think #100) in this thread.

It bothers me that you don't view what I wrote as fair and impartial.

Buzz

Fair enough. I respect your point of view.

Yes. I didn't like that either.

Yes. But in my humble opinion, that doesn't, trump Mega's right to see who is accusing him of cheating.

There's more to it than that, but yes, I do want to avoid a witch hunt.

Buzz

right. the way i see it is: either he's cheating or he's not. If he's cheating, he has absolutely no right to anything. So, considering the fact that the evidence seems to be overwhelming on one side (OP) and almost non-existant pure rhetoric on the other, I'm gonna go with: Prove you're not cheating or GTFO and stop spinning it so that the emphasis is on who is making the accusations

Buzz, I am sorry if you feel bothered by my comments. I think the work you and Niss do on O8 is excellent. I guess my expectations of your response as an O8 moderator was this: "Let's see this play out and if he did the things he was accused of he will be dealt with appropriately." instead of "let's focus on how OP is potentially damaging someone's reputation." You wrote:

First, I feel as a moderator you responsibility is to the entire forum of O8. When your focus in your post is the concern of someone's reputation when evidence has been posted not just by OP but by other people including Bobo then to me it does come across as not having the best interest for the entire group. Right or wrong this is how I feel and my expectations.

As far as the evidence, I don't know what else to say besides the fact that multiple posters have come forward now with compelling information about his actions. What do you consider stronger proof? Isn't what BoBo posted pretty strong? He has listed these as his accounts in P2P transfers:

Lock Poker (HotFeet1969) (megaallover)
juicy (gkalltheway)
Black Chip Poker (MegaAllOver) (wajaras)
PokerHost (gkhost)
Intertops (gktops)

No where has he mentioned any of these as friends accounts either in that thread. You can also add "MisterAwesome" as another Lock account as well as shown on his blog: http://megadisgruntled.blogspot.com/...&max-results=1

He has been absent for 24 hours now which to me is not a good sign either. Why has he not defended himself? I know he is/was well liked in O8 forum including his own well here: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/44...l-well-533581/


My question now becomes who else is in this with him?

we have a winner for dumbest paragraph in the thread

I have to admit making a connection between him cheating at poker and having a weight issue will be pretty hard to top in this edition of the dumbest paragraph contest.

While I understand where you're coming from, I think this is actually irrelevant.
He's either cheating or he's not, that's much more important than him knowing this information. In many ways it could be argued it's better for him not to know.

In all walks of life people should be able to report crimes or general shady behaviour anonymously. That's true of almost any system i can think of in the developed world, from anonymous tipoffs, crimestoppers etc. to taxation avoidance and even misbehaviour at sporting stadiums. The behaviour or anonymous tipoffs is encouraged for the most part and the reasons for that behaviour are usually both obvious and completely at the discretion of the person making it.

Unfortunately the poker community is self-policed for the most part so people get called out in public like this a lot to initiate investigations. It's a crappy system and no doubt people have been burned by it and needlessly had their reputations tarnished, but it's the best we have.

op outs a likely cheat and after reaction I cant blame him for using new account . Its worse then bon jovi calling Justin bieber names shocking. Maybe the guy was afraid of retaliation, he knew he had a lot of friends on here or was one himself, or maybe at the tables. Maybe you need 500 posts to out cheater or 1k if guy is well liked , let cheaters roam free unless you give your real name, home phone number and address. Not sure why who makes a case against some is more important then the evidence . btw bon jovi was right