anyone with the updated list of playes participating in the sitout protest?

Add me to the list. I will sit out on plo8/nl08/limit08 tables. Hopefully other o8 players will do likewise.

1. We don't need 1k players.
Now there are 31135 cash players on PS. Let's say that is like 4500 tables. So you need 188 players (with 24 tables) to block all of the cash play on the site.

2. Even if we can't block all play, we can at least block 2 or 3 of the most raked limits.

3. There is a good chance that we can hit close to 1k player.

4. The whole point of the strike is awareness of the problem.

That is why it is important to inform your pokerplaying friends, explain the math and why to sit out. Use sms, facebook, msn, skype, whatever else you can think about. Yesterday i got 2 players in when playing in a 20$ homegame, its as easy as that. And these players dont go to forums so they didnt know about the changes at all.

Also remember that this is also talked over in non english forums like the russian and the chinese sites. Hope to see lots of people from these countrys take part in the strike.

Stalling tactic by Stars?

I will autowaitlist every table at my usual limits tomorrow and delay every action for as long as possible. Switch off auto post BB and they will have to wait another 30 sec for me to not post.

I reckon it only takes 25% of the regs to do that at 05./1 NL and higher to kill the tables.

**** them where they live. If they want to ban me, ok, go ahead and cash me out - greedy ****s.

Furthermore, it's not necessary that every single reg is aware of the strike. The people that is still not aware is gonna notice it tomorrow when they see the sitouts or the chat messages. I expect most of the people to empathize with the strike when they are explained why we are sitting out.

I don't expect the strike to be a failure. Anyway, there's always time to organize an even massive one if pokerstars keeps with the money grab. At least it will be a first warning, and I think it will be more than that.

i'll be on 24 tables of 6max $5nl and $10nl.

will be constantly switching as tables break.

please can someone compose a 2-4 line message to paste into the chat box to inform other players about our cause.

23.5 hours... I had really hoped that stars would step up and fix the problem.

Is "put back the 4.5% rake, but without the ninja increases to break it even" so hard?

So to clarify, here's what I plan to do:

- Waitlist myself on every table.
- Take the maximum amount of time when deciding to sit or not
- Be actively sitting out at 23 tables (since I assume it won't let me gum up the waitlist if I'm at 24?)
- Start with my normal stakes, but since it probably won't take all of my attention/seats to stop up those tables, move to FLHE, PLO, the micros, etc. and plop down there as well.

When 70% of their games at any given limit grind to a halt and the waitlist is 10+ deep on every "active" table, it will put a serious hurt on Stars' bottom line. It's a shame it comes to that, but that's apparently what it takes for Stars to take decisive action that's in favor of the players.

I think the important thing is to keep going. I've never done this before. It may not be immediately apparent that it is "working" but the longer we do it, the more people will simply give up trying to play, letting the strike take hold.

need organization otherwise it will be not effective.

My suggestion

1. most effect will be if there are going to be 5 sitouts per 6max table because
a) to avoid HU play
b) if people going to play HU everyone is going to be kicked from the table after something like 6 hands. (3 rounds)


2. we have to divide us in groups from the beginning.
First wave could be something like this
- All PLO players sittout at PLO50-PLO200 6max
a) PLO2-PLO25 @ PLO50
b) PLO50-PLO100 @ PL100
c) PLO200+ @ PLO200
- All CAP players sittout at NL100-NL400 6max CAP
a) NL50cap-NL100cap @ NL100
b) NL200 @ NL200
c) NL400+ @ NL400
- All NL players sittout at NL50-NL200 6max
a) NL2-NL25 players sittout @ NL50
b) NL50-NL100 sittout @ NL100
c) NL200+ sittout @ NL200
All other games everyone blocks his main game if no traffic joins other tables
by looking through the lobby

3. Everyone should make the auto BI to min BI ex 20bb @ CAP, 40bb@ NL ...
Disable auto rebuy to be able to sit at higher limits expecially important for
NL2-NL25 when sitting out on higher limits

4. Everyone should post in chat a standarised statement on all tables he is sitting out to inform other players

5. First wave should be on 6max games
FR is much harder to do damage because you need 8 players to sitout to kill the table.

NOTE: in the first wave all FR players should join the 6max tables to increase the pressure.

Second wave after approx. 30min probably everyone discouraged already to play the limits attacked
All players move one limit up with the FR switching to FR tables
with following strategy.
NL2fr-NL25fr sittout @ NL50fr
NL50fr-NL100fr sittout @ NL100fr
NL200+ sittout @ NL200fr

Note join tables where are less than 8 players sitting out.
Dont join the tables at 6max where already 5 players sittout

Just a suggestion as nobody yet had a plan

You can "cut" a line out of the chat box, but you can't paste it back in. I've been typing everything manually

oh yeah? what are you gonna do about it, huh? what is your weak arse gonna do to stop me? call the mods? ok. they see i am sitting out. they say it is legal and then they leave the table and you look like the idiot you are.

you can't stop us. we have the right to take a seat and sit out at any table we can afford to do so at for as many hands as Pokerstars allows. if it's 18 hands at a 6 max table before i am booted i am allowed to sit out for 17 hands then sit back in, play 1 hand and sit out again.

we will disrupt many games and spread our cause.

How to be in sit out mode when I take a sit, so I don't post the BB?

Someone really needs to step up here on the organizational front. I can't do it today unfortunately.

just unmark the "wait for bb" and mark the "sit out next hand"

Nobody cares about you... Stay and play on their terms when you want, but don't expect all of us to just sit there and take it!

yes u sitdown and click on dont post next blind and click on sitout next hand box

Is there anyway to do it off the table. Because in some of the times it's going to be your turn to be on the BB just when you sit on the table.

there should be an option to not auto post bb either in table ninja or in stars options

anyone pro or contra this strategy ?

could we make a tread where everyone that will participate can just post once, so we see how many we have from this forum?
would be easyer to come up with a strategy then....

Gross how every winning players, from LAGs to nits, are losing money from this rake change.

Is there any reg/grinder who will not participate ?

1. It will cost money to everyone
2. even if not really concerned like SNG/MTT player should join as sign of solidarity, today the f*** us tomorrow they go after them.

We should stay united here.

Any nda process should be to provide the nda well prior to flying over to IoM so each player can have someone look thru it and tell them exactly what they are signing/ agreeing

The trip to IoM just isn't the main way discussion about this issue should happen from player perspective.

i think everyone just doing it at 6 max only tables of the stakes that are most popular.

the higher stakes the better because a $400nl table generates more rake for stars than a $25nl table. however, there likely will be far too many striking players and too few tables running of high/medium stakes so we can cover 400nl, 200nl, 100nl, 50nl, 25nl, 10nl and below.

it's way too late to get a full list of all 2p2'ers and their sn's who will be striking and i don't think it would matter much anyway. a list of say 1000 players would demonstrate the strength of our cause etc but so does the amount of replies in threads and e-mails to stars.

as for striking players using waves to attack and disrupt a certain level every 20 minutes or so? i don't like this idea either.

firstly, i think we will have too many strikers for 1 level. so if 500 of us attacked 100nl and tried to occupy 12,000 seats (500 x 24) we would find that most/all/enough of the 100nl games were disrupted by only 200 players etc and the remaining 300 strikers' time would be wasted as they would not be able to sit and have an effect.

i think we either need to sign up to groups of 50-100 players for each couple of stakes (5nl + 10nl, 25nl + 50nl, 100 nl + 200nl etc) or we just all do what we can freestyle.

we definitely will have a decent effect. each of us can do 24 tables and we only need to occupy a few seats per table to disrupt the game and make the non strikers leave which ='s less rake for stars.