Has anyone made any simulation has to how getting 6 vpps per 1$ affects different multipliers/games in WC vs the previous dealt system or are we just assuming that getting 6 points per 1$ is gonna be enough to compensate the switch? And if so can anyone please point me to where i can check out these calculations. Thx

+1

Get back the dealt system..

or

3b. WC rake calculation method
4b. 6.5x VPP across the board

Maybe I'm stating the obvious here, but a bump from 5.5vpp to 6 would be almost a 10% increase.

Most players report a 10-15% loss switching to WC.

It's likely that a move to 6vpp wouldn't totally offset the switch, but it would be close enough that it would make the switch "kind of a bummer" instead of "guess it's time to quit poker" for most players who do experience a loss.

As an up side, total whales (the few who would actually gain by a switch to WC) would get the bonus of WC, AND the extra multiplier, keeping them afloat and happy longer.

We promise to grind them down into rake for you stars even if it takes us a bit longer, we really do.

+1

This is the point. Too many on here want to demand MORE than they had previously and no way are Stars gonna come close to that. People wanna keep it sensible and if we all got this then at least as the above poster said its only "kind of a bummer". Plus stars still make more money than they did before. Happy days for all really.

I'm not sure about that i remenber that when FTP switched to WC over 80% players reported losses in rakeback over 20% and i've seen people in other threads showing that even tho their playing reggish stats their showing alot more than 10-15% losses. I don't see how we can be happy with a 9.1% bump on their part seeing has its still alot less money for the players and alot more for Pokerstars...

Thats right. But as it stands getting back 9.1% would be better than the senario we have now. Stars is clearly no longer gonna be giving great deals out, the best we can hope for is to claw back some of the money the regs are gonna lose in 2012.

CORRECT. WC turned into a huge cash grab for FTP. FTP tried to give players the black card program to offset a little bit of their losses.



WC will be a huge cash grab for Stars. There is nothing given by Stars to try to offset any of the players' losses.

You know, we know that PokerStars is earning billions of dollars. Just quit ur silly bull**** ur boss is telling u. If lowering the rake woulda been a problem I would love to see the dividend ur owners is taking out and your balance sheet.

also being sued for billions of dollars by the US. probably a correlation here.

The changes for Stars.fr players are even more drastic.
Looks like there will be a mass sitout too.

I'm in. hope this works

I don't see anyone asking for more, i see people asking for 6.5 and 6 points per $, and if what the other poster said before about an increase from 5.5 to 6 being something close to a direct 9.1% bump for players and remenbering the thread that compared FTP/PS RB when FTP changed to WC they showed a 23% overall loss for players then 6.5 points per $ is alot ****ing fairer for the players especially taking into account the horrendous maner in which Pokerstars treated this subject and their most loyal costumers these last few days. Don't be surprised if pokerstars comes along agreeing to the 6x like their making a big concession like they just did with the rake changes and just then people notice they still got shafted for a change that never should have happened in the first place.

Oh yeah and 6.5 would STILL show a profit for pokerstars.

There was bound to be a backlash,only time will tell what implications this has.
I for one think stars will have a contingency plan in place,6.5x multiplier or something to that effect.

I have just received a 100% reload from party and someone from 888 phoned me a few hours ago with a tempting offer. I will however remain at stars because stt's are my game,although I do play cash at the end of the month sometimes to keep my vip status.

The greed and stupidity boggle the mind. Having a billion dollar monopoly isn't enough, I guess.

According to some credible posters, that's just a random high number they throw out there. They have no intention of getting anywhere near that from Stars.

From the changes thread :

I also think OP needs to be edited with this + reasons we are not happy with stars respone. Also another thread for our stance and date/time of sitout + steve might be good for new players who are just discovering this and not going over the whole thing.

I love that weighted contributed will hurt the shortrats so much, but hate that stars is reducing everyones rakeback and sweeping the difference into their pockets. If they would just raise the VPP multiplier this would be a great move

yeah I changed my mind. read steve's reply without having had enough coffee.
IN for the mass sitout, unless:

Still in, and +100 for TheMetetrown's post. This is ridiculous.

Still in.

Count me innnnn

anyone seen the tweet from daniel negreanu and then pokerstars retweeted what he wrote.

literally LOL'd

Fair enough if thats the case 6.5x it should be. But there are people on here clamouring for 7x VPP multiplier plus reduced rake etc etc. They simply aint gonna get it. Stars management are only gonna listen if the regs on here come up with realistic options.