unless its 2000+ people i don't see this having any impact at all.

Can we still play tournaments??)

What everyone is overlooking is that there are now going to be tens of thousands of more silverstars that would otherwise be bronze, and tens of thousands of more gold stars that would otherwise be silver, etc.... and only a few less SN/SNE's .... resulting in net FPP's much closer than you guys think.

This is a great change that was a long overdue.

I'd prefer to go back to the days when Stars did not even have a VIP program. That was pure poker until all you nits ruined it with all your unreasonable demands that lead to this.

Stars please implement a 4 table max per player policy. ONE TIME!!!

Stars now that it is legal for Americans to play internet poker again please reinstate me so I can play 4 tables as fast possible! Thanks!

Anyone who thinks a site that caters to the nits is an absolute idiot. Which rhymes with nit.

I am write, you are wrong. /thread.

I still know what is best for poker, and it is the direction Stars is going.

Poker sites should offer ZERO rakeback and ZERO rewards. They should only offer targeted promotions to the fish.

The winning players are going to get their money either way, except the game will be much more popular and sustainable for the long-run if we reversed the rewards programs. The long-term sustainability of the game means we need to learn to look past the short-term. Just like all no-limit games should be banned, and only limit games offered.

Each of us can fill 24 seats.

Just for a little perspective, if I have three other players helping me (yep, that's it!) at this time of night, the CAP games NL200 and up all the way to 25/50 will be totally unplayable. I personally plan to sit where needed regardless of game, this change has a lot of CAP players angry, so I suspect my seats may be of more use occupying a PLO for FL table (although as I understand the changes, FL guys should be maddest of all?) instead.

If everyone posting in this thread follows through on their commitment, cash game play on Pokerstars (except HU and the micros) will grind to a halt.

Since undoubtedly some players will be occupying the micros, there may be some gaps, but if 80% of the cash game traffic stops, you can bet your bottom dollar someone upstairs is going to notice.

That said, we need to continue recruiting, explaining the situation to the unaware, and building momentum.

Have we designated an official spokesperson yet? I would love for it to be someone prominent in the community. I heard that when the .fr sit out went down, the "leader" of that group was actually called by phone, having Stars be able to make that contact with us could be helpful I think.

If a mod won't let us modify the OP, imo we need to start another OP with the exact goals, with links to facebook page/twitter/occupy PS avatars, etc.

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I'm okay with WC regardless of playing style. But I'm not okay with Pokerstars trying to **** players over by tweaking the rake to their benefit and then coming out and saying that it is going to beneficial for the average player. They did it with the SNG's and now they are doing it for cashgames.

11121 tables... just takes 464 players opening 24 tables to affect them all, type in chat, tell others etc

1000 protesters could do a lot of damage

This !!

Actually we'r almost 100 players in the list, if we can reach 200 or 300 , we'r going to fill most of the NL50+ tables ...

wish i was there to support this

I'm sure there are loads of ppl who've read this thread but are too lazy to post in it.

I think the real number would be more than 3x the number of ppl who post here. There are also ppl from other sites who are directed to this thread but cant post in it coz they dont have an account and are too lazy to create one.

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If you guys were just protesting the increased overall rake I would be with you, but protesting against the change to WC is just flat out self-serving. Even though I will get less VPP because I play a bit tighter than the typical player at my tables, I know that WC is fairer in general and better for the recreational player. And what is better for the fish is better for the long term health of Pokerstars.

Stars already had, and will still have, the most generous benefits for high volume players, nowhere else is close. Cutting that back a bit was overdue. Most of you have been spoiled by all the freebies Stars have doled out over the past few years.

Will the new changes really affect me, as a more casual player? Or should I give it a go myself for the first month or so? Also, could Stars not kick the "protesters" from their tables if they wanted to?

^I don't mind the WC.

I do mind the rake increase. So thats why I am in.

U should join.

Screw you pokerstars, taking advantage of monopoly. I am going to sitout 24 tables FullRing.

Rake increase is the real problem. WC was coming, sooner or later..

great, let's get fish on 2p2, what a brilliant idea

This is almost as good as the "How many 5 year olds?" thread.

I'm a US player, anything I can do? I think in the past opening tons of tables to observe affected the server? What stars is doing is tasteless.

I think a great idea would be to seriously invite Pokerstars largest competitor's to a discussion on benefits they be would be willing to offer to entice serious grinders to their sites.(Partypoker, Ipoker, Ongame, and 888Poker) This in addition to strike could be helpful

This post does actually make alot of sense, well the first bit anyway.

I have no real problem with the way rake is attributed, as long as any money taken from me is given directly to casual players.

Yes, recreational players get a little bit more, while everyone else loses out a lot. The real winner here (as always) is the site. Its not like what the grinder lose out goes straight to the hobby players. Its only just a tiny part of it.
The same happened to SNGs after black friday when a "more fair" fee distribution took place, in the reality the only games benefited from it were in the lower-micro realm, everyone else got charged more.
Now as many european countries gets regulated next year i can't help myself but starting to see a pattern here.
As far as the generousity toward high volume players goes, you kinda forced to produce high volume and live off on rakeback when the games are barely beatable. It's not 2005 anymore, the average quality of play improved tremendously and rake stayed the same (or in many cases got increased a bit).

Stars has always been great. If ftp were still around they would never consider telling their customers to bend over and take this. I really think besides the sit out encouraging other large poker rooms to a discussion would be a good idea.

The last thing a monopoly wants is its competitors sitting down with their customers and discussing ways to negotiate an increase in benefits for a move to their site.

I think those seriously affected should take note of this. Great idea, Men!

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solid first post imo nh

BANG. This sums it up best. WC is fine if Stars gives the casual players what the company takes from the grinders.


Instead, Stars pocket this money; as if the company has not made $billions all these years.

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