I hope Hip is getting closer because this thread has definitely slowed back up again the last two weeks. See you guys next week.

I've got my ticket too. Lucky me. See you at the tables lol.

Hey Hip can we get confirmation you are alive and well?

Six posts on 3/20. Four posts on 3/21. Other threads of course. Seems alive and well to me.

Hip - first and foremost nothing but respect for all the individual work you have done to achieve what you have thus far. Maybe there is a very good reason for why you have gone silent in this thread. To me though it just seems odd how someone can be to involved and into it and then like a light switch goes off. By no means is this a shot at you its just that I was just really enjoying coming in here daily and catching up on the latest updates. Thanks and good luck in your efforts.

What else can anyone do other than report them to the police in whatever country they're in?

I've spoken to two groups who considered a Lock purchase. The short of it is that the brand isn't worth the debt load to undertake. Specially now that it's years of non-payment and there is a plethora of negative activity associated with the brand.

Lock simply isn't worth 8 figures worth of debt


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The Sunday 15k gtd got only 76 players. I guess it's easy to have an overlay when you aren't paying anyone any way

I have a hard time believing Lock would be worth four figures worth of debt at this point.

Pretty sure Lock would have to pay someone to try to get out this situation.

76 idiots that need to grow a brain and stop sitting at their tables! If nobody plays there, the site goes away. If an unknowing potential customer goes to the site and sees ZERO traffic why would they ever deposit?

**** everyone that still plays there. You're potentially helping lock scam someone else because of the allure of a legitimate site running with active players. ****ing clowns.

Any interest in naming these "two groups" publicly? Why would any sound minded person or group buy such a thing? No legitimate business professional would have any interest in such a brand. It would be easier & cheaper to start from scratch. Whoever it was that put consideration into making this purchase is sketchy & should not be trusted. No way around it.

It certainly is not easier to start everything from scratch which is likely why there were people inquiring about the possibilities. I would assume that if any deal happened (obviously unlikely) that the players would only get a small fraction on the dollar as payment (5-10 cents per dollar maybe), but realistically most players would happily take such a deal at this point.

In that scenario they would be getting established software and infrastructure with some sort of player base as well, so the fraction on the dollar purchase would just reflect the value of those assets.

Lots of purchases are made in a similar manner, in fact simple debt is sold like this at times as well, but given how long this has gone on for I doubt there is that much meat on the bone to have anything go much further.

The fact that 70 or whatever people played a tournament is pretty meaningless. Many probably got "free" tickets and others probably are playing knowing that Lock money has no value. In fact some people may be willing to buy Lock money for a couple cents on the dollar just to be able to play basically a more skilled play money game, and I cannot fault anyone who goes with that approach in a way.

The room is obviously quite dead in terms of it making money. The former mouthpiece pretty much said that, and likely one day the software will just stop working, and the better quality play money games will be done.

Monteroy the previous poster made a valid point: anyone who is still playing at Lock Poker is promoting a scam. Sure, the room isn't making money, that's obvious, but as long as traffic exists there will still be first time players who won't do their homework and make a deposit.

So the fact that 76 players played that tournament is not meaningless. Those 76 players should be slapped in the head.

Switching gears, as long as I'm posting, is there ANYTHING happening out there?

I certainly in no way support Lock Poker, and as I mentioned I tried very hard over the years to get people to leave that room. Those that listened were pretty grateful at that advice, while those that did not - well, perhaps they learned a lesson instead.

If a player buys Lock funds very cheap to essentially play a higher level of play money then I cannot actually find fault with that specific approach for that person as a cheap way to get a better quality game to use as a teaching vehicle.

Realistically if anyone still actually deposits there at this point then I am not sure what to say.

With regard to is anything happening, what exactly did you think would happen? Some new information got explored and exposed which is always good, but what else were you really expecting to happen? There is zero money there that will ever be paid out at this point, and not much will change that.

I wonder how many of those players are various lock employees trying to make it look like the site is still active.

What's the word on Shane these days by the way? He kind of disappeared.

So basically, to summarize, you can't find fault with someone who is actually PAYING money to play on a site that continues to scam unknowing players by creating an illusion of player traffic?

That's just dumb. There is no reason whatsoever that any decent person who is aware of this scam should be playing on Lock poker. Like I said, the people who are playing there right now, even if they were given free money (which is sounds like plenty were/are) should be slapped.

They want people to keep playing! That's how they continue to get deposits! Arrrrrrrg! Wake up!

+1, even if the money isn't returned seeing everyone Locked up in a European Jail is what was important as well(the idea of some justice), I thought that was obvious, but like Montey implied just let it go guys just let it go.

The brand clearly has negative value at this point so is not worth any debt. The software has some value. Everyone should make it clear they won't play on any future site that uses that software since any purchase price will go into the pockets of Jen and her girlfriend.

While I personally would not have anything to do with Lock, nor would I suggest anyone should have anything to do with Lock Poker, I also will not lose sleep or want to join a lynch crowd if someone buys fake Lock money for cheap to play a better quality game than say Zynga.

Having spent a long time trying to get people away from the site when it really mattered, and actually succeeding in 100+ instances to get people to leave there for better sites (like Intertops) I genuinely believe I did all I could to help a criminal site like this die as quickly as possible. I never had a penny invested in this site in any way, shape or form.

The fact that this corpse of a site still gets a charge through it to fake signs of life at this point is pretty unimportant to me, and I do not believe they get too many people who deposit anything anymore.

I certainly would prefer the criminals behind it get prosecuted, but I also am aware of how difficult that will be for a variety of reasons (many of which were discussed here) so I have zero unrealistic expectations in that regard and an update on some of the key characters that might disrupt their lives is about as good as it will get moving forward until eventually the site just goes offline.

If you are that troubled by people playing there then create an account/log in and scream at them from the rails if that will make you feel better.

You do realize that for every hypothetical player of yours who buy chips on the cheap, the risk of someone less informed getting tempted to make a new deposit rises though right? Is that not something you have a problem with?

After spending a long time trying to get people to leave that room when it made a bigger difference (and getting grief about that in the Lock threads at the time), and understanding that Lock has essentially been a corpse for a long time now - if you are asking me how much I truly care if some dude buys Lock money cheap to play stronger play money games the answer is that I care 0% about that. If you want to get all upset about that then that is your choice, but I did what I could to reduce the damage of Lock Poker at a time where they were much more of a threat than they are now.

If a dude buys $5,000 Lock money for a hundred bucks then he has what he wants and the guy who sold it has 100 bucks he would never get from Lock. If after multiple years of no cashouts there are still people making deposits then that is their problem at this time. They should learn to use google.

I would be quite happy to see Lock Poker finally die, but I am not going to waste any more emotion caring if they barely live at this point. If you want to be morally repulsed at Lock Poker today that is absolutely your choice, though I would have liked that a lot more in 2013 or earlier.

Is there even a market for Lock chips? I went back 1-2 months in P2P thread and see no mention of Lock anywhere.

I have actually gone and railed tables on Lock Poker several times and screamed at people to stop playing on the site. In fact I encourage everybody to do it. Nobody with the knowledge of what Lock Poker is should be playing there. NOBODY.

Anybody who plays on that site is contributing to a scam. Period. End of discussion.