About the AA hand I mentioned in email.

It was something like him having AA on AA39T board (in that order) with me having something like 2457 and flop getting capped, me check calling turn and him checking b on river. I ask him why he check b and he says something like "its not like u'd pay me off there anyway". This is coming from guy who would routinely go nuts when his high hand was lust a tiny bit higher than my hand, capping rivers "as if for fun" when he had no low hand and getting halves of pots with like a pair of queens.


Anyone curious in getting HH of this match emailed to them that could look over them? I could give some $ to someone who can pull off some meaningful data out of them. Something like "35/37 hands where I checkraised him and had a hand he would fold unless close to 50-50 or ahead, and yet 17/17 times I checkraised him with air or semi-bluff he either 3bet or raised me on turn."

My pokertracker is still screwed up, and I am not very good with using it anyway.

you are FatAmerican? I was watching you play yesterday. I even took pics of your name with your avatar because i thought it was funny, and i even witnessed your convo with that idiot 'thepumaman' who was talking about your name because of "all the europeans that think we're fat", thinking you were a euro. Even though your location said US. I screen'd that too lol

I'm not sure what to think but, at least you're not the typical donk that makes these kind of posts as you seem like a good player, so its interesting.

OP if he could see your cards, why would he pay you off on losing hands? You stupid or something?

AHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAH

YOU ARE SO STUPID.


AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAAH AHHAAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

If your browser is closing itself, the first step is to REBOOT. If it's still happening, run a virus scan or turn off VNC server cuz somebody/something is f'ing with you.

If you really do have a spy program running on your computer, it's your fault and has nothing to do with FTP. They aren't going to help you.

BTW, I didn't bother to read the hand histories.

this makes so little sense its hillarious

finally a decent post by this stupid forum in this thread

Wow and you're playing $100-$200? I need to learn that fancy O8 game pronto.

I don't know/know of you so I don't want to completely discredit your story but why would someone be smart enough to call off river bets w/ the worst hand but then check the nut hi and explain that he knew you weren't calling?

Cant believe so many posters think this argument proves he wasn't cheating... Any 'superuser' or 'hacker' who had half a brain would intentionally pay of many hands to avoid suspicion. Why do you think the UB / Absolute cheaters got caught ? because they never paid them off.

OP - you aren't going to get much understanding from posting HH in NVG because probably 99% don't understand 08.

FWIW, from the few I read, I can see why you are suspicious, some of those HH's are ridiculous when he (as you said) looks like hes betting/raising for fun with a really weak high and no low when he knows hes getting half. Although I would not be at all surprised if someone has somehow hacked your comp so they can see your screen, I would probably have to check through your whole session to be convinced completely, and I'm afraid unless you got another spare 8k for me, I dont care enough sorry .

By the way he's playing it looks like he doesn't quite understand hi/lo - one possible theory - he got a trojan on your pc, and then found you at the tables (did he sit first or did you?) and thought **** what is this 4 card BS (hence how much he overvalues the high half of the pot, like all hi/lo rookies), ever seen him at these tables before ?

good luck with your investigation, my advice, get someone who understands computers to scan/check yours, dont play guy again, check no-one is standing behind you holding a cellphone smoke a J.

this

this.

OMG!!!!!!1 Online poker is rigged!!!!!1

You should switch to unlimited hold them. You only have to look at half as many hole cards so you will be twice as likely to be half as confused.





This is BS.....these posts don't deserve to be in NVG because OP claims his reason for posting is that he thinks he was cheated. Move to BBV and flame away IMO

i think this is extremely LOL, but..

If in a case where someone was actually cheating, they are obv gonna pay off on some hands where they can see they are beat, because if full tilt, for example, looked into it and at the HH's, it would look very suspicious for him to fold EVERYTIME he has a strong had which is beaten.

but whatever, this is LOLParanoidaments

also, this..

Hey,

I've played against you and remember you being decent at HU O8. I also know you've been around high stakes games for a pretty long time, so you should have experienced mega-donks mega-donking it up with no chance of scooping and very little fold equity at O8. For those reasons, I want to give you some credit for knowing what you are talking about here.

However, the HHs you've posted (as you've admitted) do not support that there is any cheating going on. Actually, it looks like you were getting outplayed in most of them, probably accidentally, by some donk who doesn't know when the right and wrong times are to put in a lot of action. Maybe that's not what was going on in this session, but that's what it looks like in the HHs you posted.

The trip 7s hand doesn't make much sense for him to check the turn with, I'll grant you that. However, the hand where he raises the turn with just a pair of 5s and nothing else when you have the 2nd nut low and multiple hi draws would make no sense whatsoever except as cover. You are never folding that hand no matter what (maybe if the case 5 falls), and will often scoop, so why would he raise the turn? If he's not even taking full value when he has quads, I doubt he's willing to lose this many bets on a "cover" hand.

I agree that you DO have a right to have the session analyzed by FT, but honestly, I don't think anyone in security at any site has a clue about O8, much less shorthanded or HU, so it will get you nowhere imo. Take the computer precautions and count yourself lucky to not lose a ton, I guess. If you want more support here, you have to post some hands that back up what you're claiming.

support karma finally got you.


GCC


Any live chat supports these days?

all i do is play high stakes o8 all day, so i hope you believe me when i say that all you need to know that hes not cheating is this hand

Full Tilt Poker Game #10860828337: Table Vernon (heads up) - $100/$200 - Limit Omaha H/L - 21:20:27 ET - 2009/02/26
Seat 1: FatAmerican ($14,053)
Seat 2: BAD_GATEWAY ($7,797)
BAD_GATEWAY posts the small blind of $50
FatAmerican posts the big blind of $100
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to FatAmerican [5d As Qh 6c]
BAD_GATEWAY is feeling angry
BAD_GATEWAY calls $50
FatAmerican has 15 seconds left to act
FatAmerican checks
*** FLOP *** [Jd 2d 4s]
FatAmerican checks
BAD_GATEWAY bets $100
FatAmerican raises to $200
BAD_GATEWAY raises to $300
FatAmerican calls $100
*** TURN *** [Jd 2d 4s] [8c]
FatAmerican bets $200
BAD_GATEWAY raises to $400
FatAmerican calls $200
*** RIVER *** [Jd 2d 4s 8c] [Ts]
FatAmerican checks
BAD_GATEWAY bets $200
FatAmerican calls $200
*** SHOW DOWN ***
BAD_GATEWAY shows [4c 5h 5c 9d] a pair of Fives, for high
FatAmerican shows [5d As Qh 6c] Ace Queen high, for high and 8,5,4,2,A, for low
BAD_GATEWAY wins the high pot ($1,000) with a pair of Fives
FatAmerican wins the low pot ($999.50) with 8,5,4,2,A
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $2,000 | Rake $0.50
Board: [Jd 2d 4s 8c Ts]
Seat 1: FatAmerican (big blind) showed [5d As Qh 6c] and won ($999.50) with HI: Ace Queen high; LO: 8,5,4,2,A
Seat 2: BAD_GATEWAY showed [4c 5h 5c 9d] and won ($1,000) with HI: a pair of Fives

Yeah, he was definitely making sure to not be super suspicious.

Yeah, that sounds like a great way to make sure they give you a response and actually do everything else you ask.

agree
Just looks like a bad player playing like he's on monkey tilt.
nothing to see here.

QMFT....and you thought waterworld sucked..

I too have played you many times and thought you would be used to this as I've seen you play them frequently.

The guy was just a donk. I don't know what else to say. O8 is an easy game to get carried away with raises and to slow down in some weird spots for bad players and I think that is what is happening here.

you fail at posting.

i played u the other day