Iv played you a fair bit and you go to showdown pretty much every hand (dont remeber the numbers but you fold like 10% of something) so pretty sure I could find a zillion hh vs u which look like you can see my cards.

Where was he from?

I just don't understand how your HHs always put his mood in when he's dealt his cards....how does the HH know that "BAD_GATEWAY is feeling angry"?? Does he press the mouse button extra hard or something? Shouldn't this be a tell? He wouldn't be angry with a good hand right?

eh this guy is just a ****** - he limped A555 utg the other day in a 6 handed cap plo game.

Uh, poker's not just about the cards, dude. Ever hear of tells?

I have to say, I actually side with the OP here. He's a reasonable poker player and has been around for quite a while and isn't the type to throw around cheating accusations lightly. Unfortunately, the level of intelligence in this forum is really low. I think there's at least a small chance that he had a trojan on his computer that allowed the other player to see his cards. Unfortunately, FT probably isn't going to do anything about it. The last hand is really suspicious, as well as the first one. I would have to see more hands but if the rest of the hands are similiar to these I would think it is very likely his computer has been compromised.

If he can, he should put up something with the entire HH file and I'd look through it.

It's always amazed me how awful Full Tilt security/customer support staff are at doing their jobs. Not that I think you were getting cheated OP, but it's almost comical how little they care if you were or not. Rather than address your specific concerns, all they ever do is mail out some irrelevant copypasta and wish you luck at the tables.

Anyway, I have to side with the people recommending you get your PC checked for Trojans ASAP. Also, try this experiment. Disconnect completely from the internet (physically unplugging your internet cable), and keep your browser open for a while and see if it still closes itself periodically. If so, it may be that you are just having troubles with the latest edition of Firefox. I had some problems with it myself and from what I've seen there seem to be a lot of bugs and issues with incompatible add-ons which cause it to malfunction. Speaking of which, I hope you are already a user of the NoScript add-on for FF. You're a lot less likely to get hacked with this protecting your browser, even if you're one of those people that clicks on random links (not recommended).

Best of luck.

this says alot

OP just quit poker, or start playing in games i can buy into so i can take your stack more quickly than this guy did.

[ ] omaha hi/low is NL and plays with "stacks".

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since this thread still seems to be going strong, i assume you didnt read what i said so i am reposting it for you.

im sorry but I play with op & he's not a bad player. I also play 30k hands a month or so of o8 and those are some sketchy hands for sure.
I realize that hold em players aren't acustomed to seeing boards but to put this in perspective an underpair being good on a board of that complexity is good basically... never. However it couldve been a sick soul read but the others are just insane.
to all the people inviting op to play hu because he got pwned so hard, pm me ill play hu o8 if he wont. I believe that he may have been playing a tilted player or a guy half crazy or maybe he was cheated who knows.
But those hh's are sick to an o8 player I've seen very lil like it.

Is the OP Eugene from back in the day? If so then I would also give some credence to the possibility that he has been hacked. Its not a slam dunk, but its within the realm of possible.

Eugene - stop using your computer, get to another computer that you are 100% positive is virus/trojan free and immediately change all your passwords on the various poker sites you play on as a precaution. Then take your computer into a local shop to be sure you weren't hacked, its not that hard for an expert to find any trojans which are sending your screen to a third party via the net. Contact FTPDoug via PM and send him a link to this thread so he can help you behind the scenes, he is the support representitive for FullTilt on 2+2.

The real question for me is why is this thread in NVG? This is 100% Zoo material IMHO, the Zoo'ers have more experience with this type of situation than the gossip hounds in NVG.

Sorry just realized that person complaining wasn't fat american. Fat american is a very, very dangerous hu 08 player & he is definitly not a hacker. Sorry dont know op

Dunno if the author of this thread is still around. But I swear to god I had the exact same thing happening to me. My computer would freeze up, I'd have no control over the controls for about 30 seconds, I could literally see them opening and closing every program i had open at the bottom of my tool bar, opened up my cookies, then some how opened up my admin. options and was looking through my folders of all users registered on my computer.(not users affiliated with the poker sites, but all USERS on my computer as a hole.) Then proceeded to have the exact same plays and beats made on me as you are speaking about. Over 500 dollars in less then an hour. I'd be in a MTT, I'd move tables, with in minutes the same thing happened again. Swear to god as i called a 3 bet preflop with 44, awful call, 3 players in the pot, flop comes k 4 2, rainbow, then boom! same thing happens this time, comp freezes as i'm staring at my set of 4's, with no movement nor control of the computer. Finally comes back, i've been folded out. Would of cracked aces. I had my friend over, he witnessed all of this. Ademently told me to write security and all that. I thought they were just running security checks on my computer every so often. Now that I read this...not so much...

Anyone who plays for tens of thousands of dollars should have one PC for poker, and one PC for browsing, email, porn and such. The two should never meet. That's a good way to stay safe.

You actually saw someone remotely operating your computer and prying into your files and it didn't occur to you to turn it off or pull the plug?

Suddenly a lot of the dafter Sci-Fi stuff make a lot more sense.

I think a lot of the posters here don't understand Omaha8.

In holdem you are both going for a way one pot.

In O8, there are two pots. So the relentless aggression with just a marginal high-only or a marginal low-only will cost you a lot of money in the long run. Often your opponent will raise or call you on the river with a strong high or a strong low. However, they might accidentally win the other half of the pot. (I'll explain more as we go through the hands.) So if BAD_GATEWAY becomes overly aggressive with a marginal one way holding he is setting up a reverse free-roll and taking the worse of it.

The fact that this is heads up should change the way BAD_GATEWAY is playing. He should know that FatAmerican is not going to fold any reasonable holding very often..

Perhaps BAD_GATEWAY is just a bad player on tilt. Perhaps he is a clever cheater losing some hands on purpose. It's difficult to tell from just 4 hands.

I'll agree with the minority that some of the hands don't make sense.

#1
Total pot $1,200 | Rake $0.50
Board: [7c 8h 7s Qc 6s]
Seat 1: FatAmerican (big blind) showed [7d Jh Tc Qd] and won ($1,199.50) with HI: a full house, Sevens full of Queens
Seat 2: BAD_GATEWAY (small blind) mucked [Ks 7h 4h 9d] - HI: three of a kind, Sevens

Standard play here. BAD_GATEWAY has to worry about A7 or straights. Since he only has a one way hand he needs to call and hope his K7 is good.

#2
Board: [Jd 2d 4s 8c Ts]
Seat 1: FatAmerican (big blind) showed [5d As Qh 6c] and won ($999.50) with HI: Ace Queen high; LO: 8,5,4,2,A
Seat 2: BAD_GATEWAY showed [4c 5h 5c 9d] and won ($1,000) with HI: a pair of Fives

This hand is pretty insane given the action. FatAmerican showed so much aggression there is no way BAD_GATEWAY can raise the turn and bet the river.

The turn brings in the low so FatAmerican rates to have a made low or a very strong high. This hand is going to get shown down almost 100% of time since this is heads up.

Here is a case where FatAmerican can accidentally have a better high than a pair of fives. The best BAD_GATEWAY can do is hope that his fives win the high half. The 100% showdown is what makes the river bet by BAD_GATEWAY very bad.

#3

Total pot $800 | Rake $0.50
Board: [Qs 5h Th 4h]
Seat 1: FatAmerican (big blind) collected ($799.50), mucked
Seat 2: BAD_GATEWAY (small blind) folded on the Turn

Kinda bizarre that BAD_GATEWAY would fold the turn given the preflop and flop action. Not many strong hands that can go 3 bets preflop, and one bet on the flop, and then fold the turn given that there are many draws out there. BAD_GATEWAY's preflop action should mean he has a strong high combination or a strong low combination. Sure the turn brings in the flush, but a good fold by BAD_GATEWAY here is not consistent with his play in the other hands.

#4
Board: [8h 9h 8c 2d 3c]
Seat 1: FatAmerican showed [Jc 5d 8d Th] and won ($900) with HI: three of a kind, Eights
Seat 2: BAD_GATEWAY (big blind) showed [7d 5h Qs 6h] and won ($899.50) with HI: a pair of Eights; LO: 8,6,5,3,2

Again BAD_GATEWAY has a very marginal one way hand and can very easily get scooped by someone calling with a better low and Ace-high.

My thoughts are that in these 4 hands BAD_GATEWAY doesn't play bad in the same manner. In hand #1 he doesn't go wild with a fairly strong one way hand since the low is in.

However, in #2 and #4 he is basically playing like a maniac with very marginal one way hands and will get scooped a large percentage of the times when he is called.

With a hand like #4, you want to get to a showdown as cheap as possible.

Who knows if there was any cheating involved but BAD_GATEWAY's play in 2, 3, and 4 make no sense.

bump. this is so sick because bad_gateway and alladiin are doing this for sure, and everyone just trolled OP.

plus he claimed that THEY TRIED TO PREVENT HIM FROM POSTING THIS.

For you to have dug this up from a year ago and bumped it, I assume you have some compelling new evidence?

Who did? AND WHY ARE WE YELLING?

bobo check zergums thread in hsnl

TY sir. You'd think he would've linked us, but I will:

new HSNL scammers crushing FTP

Ya pretty insane.

It's really odd that this part didn't get focused on.

I mean WTF, if someone is actually trying to close your browser window you clearly have been hacked, posting sketchy hand histories is just a distraction at this point.

And it's not the the kind of thing you could be mistaken about, so the initial read should have been that Eugene was either making a joke post or he had been hacked.