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Pls delete if this isn't a good idea
I should have made this earlier didn't think it would clog up the transfer thread so much. I'll post all updates here.

So I did a Trade with Midnightsmoker (his ft $764 for my cake) FT froze my account pending further investigation.

Found out midnightsmoker is a jimbo crushstar and many more banned 2p2 accounts also.

Jimbo says FT froze his account too due to making a trade with "iwontbluff1"

Iwonbluff1 tells jimbo his account got hacked etc etc (I didn't really pay attention to this part as I think hes lying) if you want full details

I talk Jimbo into sending me $200 back to cake.

I wake this morning to these msgs:

brady says (7:43 AM):
HEY
me says (7:43 AM):
yea
brady says (7:44 AM):
other twoplustwoer@yahoo.com
brady says (7:44 AM):
just stole 100 bucks from me
brady says (7:44 AM):
his name is oil$$$$$ on 2p2
brady says (7:44 AM):
he said hes returning it to you
brady says (7:44 AM):
but im geting VIP on AP to lock his account
brady says (7:44 AM):
if it gets to you
brady says (7:44 AM):
****ing return it when we get our mails back from FTP
brady says (7:44 AM):
if you dont i will find you and cut your head off
me says (7:45 AM):
im not even going to reply to this

brady says (7:45 AM):

other twoplustwoer@yahoo.com (2:31:05 PM): cameron_azy
dats amazing yo (2:31:12 PM): first name?
other twoplustwoer@yahoo.com (2:31:15 PM): nathan
dats amazing yo (2:31:39 PM): k im in live VIP support chat
other twoplustwoer@yahoo.com (2:32:13 PM): who do they think you actually are lol
dats amazing yo (2:32:41 PM): they put through my transfesr right away, yesterday someone didnt return my PS funds, got into live chat, and they

me says (7:45 AM):
I just woke up

brady says (7:45 AM):

dats amazing yo (2:43:27 PM): oh really?
dats amazing yo (2:43:32 PM): ap is blocking your account as we speak
dats amazing yo (2:43:34 PM): later ******
other twoplustwoer@yahoo.com (2:43:48 PM): this conversation and all have been tracked
dats amazing yo (2:43:59 PM): im talking to four kings bs right now
dats amazing yo (2:44:05 PM): hell be in touch with you and he'll return it to me
dats amazing yo (2:4

brady says (7:45 AM):
yep well ttyl
brady says (7:45 AM):
have a good one


still no email back from Full tilt as I said Ill post all updates here to try and keep them out of the transfer thread

Cheers

Looks like you're in a huge mess... When will people stop doing transfers, I don't care if you know the person or not, stop doing transfers.

I think the 2p2 forum is the safest way to do transfers, Its very rare you have any problems if you read advice given in the first page of the transfers thread.

I'm still waiting to hear back from FT security Most likely I won't lose any money from this.

but anyways waiting for FT to reply while maintaining iron man gets harder each day

FYP
easier said than done . Sometimes you need it . But I just did a search on all the names mentioned . And the earliest join date was Aug. 2008 . And midnight smoker joined like a month ago . I feel for ya fourkings but have you read the OP? And did you google or search this site for the people you traded with ? May be you shouldn't trade with someone who has 23 posts in a months time .

Yea your right got nutz?

He sent first and It was for his FT funds which I have never heard of fraudulent funds being passed.
I was also desperate to get rid of my cake funds.

Well good luck . It always sucks when a scammer prevails . Did you see the WGC Rider thread where he got burned by a guy sending first on stars? JUST BECAUSE THEY SEND FIRST IS NOT FULL PROOF !

You're right for the most part, but the WGC situation has been discussed at length, and the consensus seemed to be that this was a big difference between FT and Stars - FT won't allow new members to transfer funds, unlike Stars, and there's been virtually no reports of fradulent funds having been sent from a FT account.

I guess what I'm saying is that this a pretty rare situation, and fourkingbs' situation is one that a lot of traders might have found themselves in. Much like the way WGC's thread has cooled people on the idea that they are safe with Stars funds that were sent first, this situation may do the same for people trading FT funds.

I am normally a very responsible trader in fact I checked with FT before I traded/swapped here is a email from 3 or so months ago:

Original Message Follows: ------------------------
To whom it may concern,

I wanted to know if there is anyway I could have account problems in the future if a friend transferred me funds to play on Full tilt?
Say if player A is a fraudulent account is there any way he could transfer me money and then full tilt take that money from my account?
As I have heard a lot of problems from friends with pokerstars taking funds from accounts because they funded their account with the wrong person.
If you could put my worries at rest, I would feel so much safer funding and playing on full tilt.

Thank you,
XXXXXXX





Hello XXXXXXX,

Thank you for your e-mail. As you have been a member of Full Tilt for a long time and have spent a great deal of time on our tables, it is unlikely that your account would be closed for such activity.
Having said that, please note that if you do become associated to a fraudulent player, whether it be for sharing the same computer as this player, or receiving funds from them, your account may be temporarily suspended until we have resolved the issue.
In order to avoid such an issue I recommend that you only transfer funds to and from your account with players who you know in real life and who you can be sure are legitimate.
If you have any further questions on this matter, please do not hesitate to contact us.

Regards,

Luke
Security and Fraud
Full Tilt Poker


So after rereading this email it seems is just a matter of time before my account is back to normal and It look even less likely I will lose from this.

I have been talking to "Jimbo" all morning, trying to fund out what really happened. He gets upset when i confront him with the idea that there is no one else and he just made up the other person.

He writes:

brady says (12:19 PM):
so i hear from cmoneymaker you aren't sending my money back
brady says (12:19 PM):
well well well
brady says (12:19 PM):
u can go to hell
brady says (12:21 PM):
check this email
brady says (12:21 PM):
*my email has been deleted*
brady says (12:21 PM):
and cmoney showed me the IM's i do know your names on all sites, plus i saved (screenshots) of all our convos
brady says (12:21 PM):
i will get my money back from you
brady says (12:21 PM):
wheter you like it or not and it will result in more accounts being locked for you
brady says (12:21 PM):
so i suggest you do the right thing
brady says (12:21 PM):

brady says (12:22 PM):
all emails and evidence from FTP forwarded to this email
brady says (12:22 PM):
*my email has been deleted*
brady says (12:22 PM):
do the right thing and your funds won't get frozen
brady says (12:22 PM):
do the wrong thing and be a a-hole towards me
brady says (12:22 PM):
your account on every site will be locked within 2 days
brady says (12:23 PM):
but, i cant stop you if u think ur gonna take my money, and i probably wont, but iw ill get your accounts locked....
brady says (12:23 PM):
cake,stars,ub,ftp


Then he forwards the email he sent to FT:

my last transfer to *my account name has been deleted*

here is the problem:

i sent to him after i recieved 200 from "iwontbluff1" who i have talked to on aim and claims his money was hacked or whatever. i understand that adn realize that 200 will probably be taken from him.

*my account name has been deleted* thinks im making all of this up and is threatening that once the FTP gets back to him that he wont send my money back kuz he thinkgs im trying to scam him.

he already recieved the money he sent to me on cake poker. as i sent it back and he emailed cake and they sent it back to him.

i would like the remaing -200 that was sent to to be put back into my account as i have done thing wrong here and would like my hard earned money

> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 05:27:31 +0000
> From: security@fulltiltpoker.com
> To: heroami@live.com
> Subject: RE: Full Tilt Poker - Security (KMM8861804I15977L0KM)
>
> Hello,
>
> Thanks for your email and providing this explanation.
>
> Please know that this investigation is ongoing. We will contact you once we reach a conclusion or if we require more information.
>
> Thanks for your patience and understanding.
>
> Regards,
>
> Dustin
> Security and Fraud
> Full Tilt Poker


Im starting to feel sorry for this kid (he told me hes 17) he really needs help.

going through my inbox this is a bit interesting:

Yesterday, 12:56 AM
iwontbluff1
banned

Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 1

yo
So can i get some personal info ont hta guy, i mean im out 650 and dunno wat the hell.. apparently u guys know more than me.
iwontbluff1 is offline Forward Message

same amount jimbo was trying to move.. banned after one post HM I WONDER WHY. perhaps same IP address as one of jimbocrushstars MANY accounts?? can a mod confirm/deny??

After talking to Jimbo for the last few days and seeing cmoneymakers PM and now this post above I think Jimbo has made the iwontbluff1 story up. Just need the proof now

I traded mid three figures with him FTP for AP with good vig and him sending first (this was about 6-12 hours before you started posting about him and he was linked to jimbo crushstar). Haven't had any problems on either end with FTP or AP.

He PM'd me the next day asking to do $500 more same sites.

sigh

Bump to add Jimbos new account

awesome so the thread that I linked to above has been moved. below is what I was trying to link to:

awesome!

the problem now is I have some of the cake money that was returned to me when they closed his account. I don't know what to do with it. I really don't want to give it back to him, but I don't to keep someone else's money.

put it in a fund to be distributed to ppl who have actually been scammed lol

WOW, you being cleared and not having 700 that i sent to you taken means that I was also cleared! I have never scammed anyone on this forum, not a single soul yet even with blatant proof that I did nothing wrong you still wont ship my 700 back.

This is the most corrupt and evil thing anyone has ever done and I will never forget it for the rest of my life, you guys think your soo cool buy taking someones hard earned money but in all reality you should be ashamed.

I knew that once this cleared I still wouldn't get my money back and accepted it. Yet, I still didnt try to move the cake funds to a differt site kuz so they wouldn't get taken because I was innocent.

I hope you guys are proud of yourself, 700 is nothing to you fourkings, but to me its 3/4 of my bankroll... and your taking it for no reason.

wow.

you got my accoutn closed for no reason because you could await a simple reply... please return my money its all i ahve.

You multi-accounted here and on several poker sites so that you could get trades done. That's a scam by any definition of the term, whether you took money or not. Any transfers you did put the recipient in jeopardy of having their accounts frozen because you were defrauding the poker sites by being underage and multiaccounting.

Jimbo go find the closest GA meeting in your area and get a job.

I vote that the funds go to pay off romanwarrior's victims. The sooner that guy gets banned the better.

Y should my money go to pay romanwarrior?

and yah i multi accounted here because "reputable" people keep taking my **** and not giving it back.

I trust the newbies more than i do fourkingsbs and cmoneymaker9, they both so far have stolen money from my and by definatiion they have, neither of them are god and determine the outcome of MY money.

In before BAN

dear god. dont even THINK of saying i ever "stole" your money.
i also vote that this money goes to paying off the debt to romanwarrior victims. maybe buy the debt off of them at a percentage or something, because those guys definitely all deserve to get their money 3 or 4 months down the line, and romanwarrior has definitely been taking steps to redeem himself (although he hasnt done all he could, any step in the right direction is good).
jimbo you have:
multiaccounted
scammed ppl before
hacked a woman in oregons paypal account and scammed ppl using that
tried to send me funds from a 2 day old account with ZERO warning
played underage
broken the terms of service for just about every site
been banned here multiple times for all of your infractions

you deserve nothing.

at the LEAST, i think the funds should be given to the romanwarrior victims, and romanwarriors debt should be taken on by jimbocrushstar.

I say fourkingsbs keeps it
he outsmarted the scammer

haha yeah but i mean if he keeps it that doesnt make him much better than jimbo does it? although hes definitely still better..
give it to the romanwarrior victims!!!