You gonna publish the PR on Pokerfuse? Or just a follow-up article to the previous one since there is not much new stuff included?

Yup it's being worked on atm (PR is in french so we will post translation of the interesting bits)

I know what qualifies as a new player, but I seem to recall you said acquisition was one of the easiest criteria for the sites to fulfill?

Luckily for Everest their database have several million dormant players so they wont need to do more than lifting a finger to acquire 850 (new in iPoker's POV) players each month.

I see no point in discussing this further as it seems to me you are lacking some fundamental understanding as to why rooms may lose their liquidity.


EDIT: Betfred and Winner are relatively big operations but they're miniscule when it comes to the amount of registered and active poker players

If Ipoker1 and a Ipoker2 are now completely separate, Pokerscout should start treating them as two different sites for tracking proposes.

I do not know the figures for Winner but I do for Betfred and this is simply untrue!

Should've added [in comparison with Everest Poker]

Bizarre that they separated the sng's. They're heavily raked and didn't fill that quickly when in 1 pool.

lol ty for entertaining my morning no need to watch some morning comedy today

You are saying they don't? Perhaps willing to put down a wager on it?

EDIT: http://betcliceverestgroup.com/~expe...24_11_2010.pdf .. I can pretty much guarantee that "several" of these 12 million reg'd players will be in markets subject for the iPoker migration.

yup

that statement for 1 is internal PR and who knows/cares about its validity and 2nd it clearly makes reference to sports/casino etc. Whether they do have 12million reg accounts or not I really dont care they sure as **** do not have 12mil reg poker accounts.

As I said iPoker dont give a toss about the .com (its pretty irrelevant) they are mainly interested in the .fr as this article makes pretty clear http://www.pokerstrategy.com/news/wo...Network_63525/

Ok they think Evereset may make iPoker2, if they do great if not no biggy but its by no means a lock and if u think they have millions of poker players just waiting to play you need to head off down to Arkam

Do you still deny they have several million dormant player accounts? I couldn't get that from your post. In 2009, Betclic, Expekt and Bet-at-home had around 6.5M accounts combined according to several sources.

Perhaps this internal PR made up 4.5M accounts to put Everest below 1 million?

And I'm not saying they have millions of players just waiting to play, just that they easily can shoot these players a $10 to make them rake for them and keep up with the 850 new player requirement. Even if the player has been in Everest's database for a long time, it's a new player to iPoker the first time it logs into their client. Repeat this procedure by sending new players free bonuses once every month and they easily keep up the acquisition. (not that I think they will have any problems keeping up regardless seeing that the group is one of the largest players in Europe)

yup specifically dormant POKER accounts, if include sports/casino/bingo/vegas/fly climbing up a wall/all that crap then who knows/cares they may have a few mil accounts. If you want dormant poker players then you need ppl who have raked at least $1 of poker. (BTW iPoker active player defintion is $5 rake per month, new player is $1 rake per month)

You are clearly an Everset PR person trying to talk them up in the hope of attracting/keeping business so you are clearly worried about your player numbers.

BTW if you do have 12mil poker accounts then having an avg players online of 550 means you are doing a ****ing poor job of marketing your own product

lol u need to put the crack pipe down, so they are going to give $10 to 12mil accounts that $120mil

or they could do as I said and send $10 to e.g. 1500 new players in the database once a month..

First of all, I never said 12 million were poker accounts, but several million of them in fact are. That they only have 550 players online on avg might be because they do a piss poor job, I don't know. 550 player avg is still well over 6000 active players a month, and as I've mentioned they will not have any problems acquiring 850 new per month due to iPoker's definition of a new player.

Why would I be an Everest PR person? I noticed a few people in this thread have no clue what they're talking about, so I figured I'd chime in. In fact I do not have any relation to the companies I've talked about, but since I work in the business I have consulted for several of their competitors.

I think you'll find it's the other way around i.e. definition of an active player is $1 rake/fee in a calendar month; definition of a new player is min $5 rake/fee within first 30 days.

In fact Titan is running something similar, for 10 days until September 12th and only to new sign ups.

yup my bad

bit of a gimmick though as is restricted to certain countries, ie cant be from UK amongst others

Really Weird. On William Hill there are only 16 NL10 tables and very few active tables.

On Betmost there are at least 36 tables and many active tables?

Wasnt it supposed to be other way around?!?!!??!

Ah it seems to be a some sort of Bug. Because all I see are pound tables so that explains why there are so few tables. I try to install the software again and report here.

LOLZ. it wasnt any bug. It was just me being a dumb. After the updating the setting were se on "Pound tables only". So sorry for spamming mates LOL!!!!

New report:

10 active NL20 tables in William Hill

15 active NL20 tables in Betmost

7 active NL10 tables in William Hill

11 active NL10 tables in Betmost

SO IT STILL SEEMS THAT TIER 2 network is more active!

But probably more fish in tier 1

50nl on tier 1: 12 tables.. bit of fish, tons of losing regs over large sample with poker-edge

tier 2: 2 tables running (one half full)

both tables have 2 fish..

weird

seems like all the bad rakeback grinders have moved over

Made a table yesterday. Collected data between 16:00-17:00. iPoker old is collected end of the august between 15:00-16:00. All times EET (it should be +1 CET)

NOTE: 888poker & Ongame have both 20NL & 30NL, so I added 30NL tables to their 20NL tables, thats why larger number.



Also PokerScout.com numbers are so wrong. Even if you compare iPoker OLD with MG, 888poker, Ongame etc. then its smaller and I really doubt iPoker is the world largest poker-network.