so how many more players and fish will be on ipoker if some sportsbook decide to leave ipoker like betfred,boyle,expext,mybet and go for microgaming or some other network pls tell us hahahah

But that's not how it works. The requirements for ipoker2 are:

6000 active monthly players
850 monthly new players.

Everest clearly meet both. They have the total active player numbers and almost certainly add this number each month. Just because a network is declining and in trouble doesn't mean they aren't adding new players; churn rate on online poker networks are crazy-high (i've heard 20% pcm).

As a simple example, a network could have 20k active players, be adding 1k monthly, losing 2k monthly, have a declining network in serious trouble, and easily meet iPoker 2 targets.

If you combine Everest and Everest.FR numbers it's a very large body of players and a big coup for ipoker.

You sure seem to be concerned about what posts we allow. I'm curious how you think we should handle this. Should we guess at which people might be trying to promote a skin and delete their posts? Delete any post that says anything about what network a given skin might be on? Consult with you so you can tell us what posts to delete? Close the thread?

I'm not sure what major benefit you're expecting any of these skins would get - are a lot of people looking to sign up in the middle of the switch in the hopes that the skin they've chosen will end up on the right network? Why wouldn't they just wait until the dust settles and sign up somewhere?

To me, your posts read as much like you have an interest in the outcome of this as anyone's do. More so than most, actually.

Winner has a precedent. They already lied when they claimed they would be part of iPoker2 just to attact more customers. I guess they are lying again when they say they hope to be on iPoker2 by the end of the month... or the next one or any month for that matter, I just don't believe anything they say.

I'm sure the iPoker 1 skins will start cramming bots into their rooms to increase their player numbers and move up to iP2. If small-ish rooms start booming in player numbers, it's time to quit iPoker altogether.

I don't think you realize that the scoring to get into iPoker2 doesn't include only:
6000 active monthly players
850 monthly new players.

Out of the criteria to meet, I think the 2 mentionned above are the "easiest" to meet.
The most difficult one to meet/maintain is the win/loss ratio of the pool of players you have. Each one of the player is attributed a score depending on its ratio rake/win-loss etc... That is why most of the so called "smaller" skins aren't able to enter iPoker2: because they rely on RB players/grinders mostly which gives them a pretty bad scoring.

Also, to join iPoker2, they only consider your scoring on the .com plateform so combining Everest.com and Everest.fr liquidity to claim that Everest would have no problem joining iPoker2 has no sense here.

Problem for Winner (and all other skins on IP1) is a decent % of their players will leave this month so even if they market hard their figures won't improve and still wont make IP2.

@Spyroman: Yes you're right, i shouldn't have glazed over that. I read all "appendix 1", i know the details of the scoring system. All i can say is, having fairly intimate knowledge of the issue I believe Everest will enter as an ip2 skin, but i could be wrong.

So which sites are confirmed? WH, Titan?

Is Betmost confirmed to be in top tier?

I sincerely don't think Everest would abandon their own software to join iPoker 1. Even if they might not have the numbers (I think they have), part of the deal will be the direct move to iPoker 2 for sure.

Either way, being an Everest player since 2006, I'll cashout from there as soon as the move is officially confirmed by them.

As per this thread Titan, William Hill, Poker770, bet365 and paddy.

Nope.
In that case you should already cash out, as it is confirmed.

You honestly believe that Everest will have a non-qualified win/loss ratio when paired with iPoker's players - have you ever played on Everest?

The two criteria you mention are by far the most difficult to meet, as it can only be done if you have a lot of recreational players. Winner Poker said today the reason they're left out is because they don't have enough active players. To stay within the win/loss+shark/fish ratio band is easy as pie if you do some "real" marketing besides giving grinders "deals".

http://pokerfuse.com/features/in-dep...q-for-players/

Ok guys I won't post anymore trying to argue but just one last thing: Do you guys really think that the only criteria missing for Winners to join iPoker2 is their number of active players? That's a big ***** LOL right there.

And if it is easy as pie to get the win/loss ratio and shark/fish ratio then explain me how you would do it? You put on the website that you need fishes so they come and play? Or do you ask your good/winning players to stop playing maybe?

Why poker players are looking for rooms/network with fishes if any room could balance this ratio? Why the smaller skins in iPoker1 not able to meet the criteria to join iPoker2? They should just invest money into acquisition of enough players to get to the 6k active players and 850 new players right?

Also for those who think that Everest would never leave to join iPoker1 or whatever. Has it ever crossed your mind that they are not leaving their own network by choice? Maybe (just maybe) they need to leave their own network in order not to shut down? Who on earth with its own software/network would want to join another network? What benefits is there? Unless you are forced to do it to keep your business alive...? Just remember that Everest has not done any improvement to their software in years...until about 2 years ago when they did a facelift + added features/fonctionnalities to their software. So they are starting to try/care about improving their software and then see that iPoker is having the network split and wanna join the fun? LOL

EDIT: That said, like Gambit already mentionned it, they might have a deal with iPoker to be able to join iPoker2 straight away but if they do join iPoker2, I'm sure that it's not because they meet the criteria but just a business deal (due to .fr mostly).

Where has it been confirmed? Links please.

No. Many of us aware of the precise requirements iPoker have laid out, and still believe EGN will be an iP2 skin. Take that for what it's worth, it's really not worth arguing over.

edit: oh i see you are talking about WP now not EGN.

P770 and PP have reps in here posting, for the other 3 you could just download the clients yourself and compare (no need to sign up) or take the word of the players on the poker forums who play on these skins who've reported it.

What isn't "confirmed" is that there isn't a sixth, because there is no official list; but i've checked many of the major bookies and know they aren't on ip2. if there is one skin in question you want to know about, just download it and look in the client.

iPoker1 is being marketed everywhere as being a regfest, the most dangerous waters in online poker, and that all the recreational players will be donating their money only on iP2. Even long-estabilished iPoker skins want to move up asap in fears of disappearing, while others have already (Celeb and Chili for example). Has it ever crossed your mind that Everest moving to iP1 is a stupid idea? It's a network designed to die by Playtech and all their affiliates. If they want to survive, why would they do it on a shrinking network? Why would Everest want to make the headlines with "Everest just moved to iP1, but... don't play there, because all the iPoker regs will share the tables... join Titan instead, they have a ton of fish, and with our bonus you have 200% up to $2k"?

What sank Everest is that they failed to invest in affiliates, don't do no-deposit bonuses, don't do RB (even though there's Summit Points tables) and their VIP program/store sucks balls for micro/small players. As for software, I take Everest over pretty much anyone but PS and FTP, even with the heavy lack of features and outdated look.

Revolution and Merge would be better deals for Everest than iP1 imho. Even the eventual shrinkage and death would be better.

He was talking specifically about Everest as I said I'll cashout when Everest themselves officially confirm the move. All the EP talk as of now is gossip.

I was asking where it had been confirmed that Everest were moving to iPoker, not who the confirmed iPoker2 operators are.

Probably not, I was more making a point about APM being difficult to meet. Seeing that Winner is a relatively big operator it should show somewhat that it's not one of "easiest" criteria, as you put it.

Easy as pie was a poor choice of words. It's easy if affiliates aren't your only or biggest acquisition channel - i.e. tv/magazine/newspaper advertising. This is obviously not possible for smaller operators to do much of, but that's pretty much iPoker's goal.

Running an independent poker room, as opposed to being part of a network, involves huge overheads. When the churn rate exceeds the acquisition rate the traffic starts to decline, which is what has happened to Everest. However, the overheads of running the room stay the same. Everest is most likely running at a loss.

So yes, they might be forced to shut down - but what does that have to do with APM and acqusitions? Even the numbers they have now well dictate they acquire 850 new + have 6000 active players. Given that they don't do rakeback they probably shouldn't have any problems with win/loss or shark/fish either.

No RB deals on Everest? lol
Good fish/shark ratio (which should be heaven and attract all poker players) but has been losing over 50% of its liquidity over the last year?
Having its own network/software but unable to deal with it while having all of it needs to join iPoker2 (which is supposed to be network for the big rooms that have all it requires to run soft games/nice liquidity)?

I guess something doesn't compute or I'm missing something.

No RB deals on Everest? lol
Good fish/shark ratio (which should be heaven and attract all poker players) but has been losing over 50% of its liquidity over the last year?
Having its own network/software but unable to deal with it while having all of it needs to join iPoker2 (alledgely only big rooms have all it requires to run soft games/nice liquidity) while some skins that are considered big by some of you guys failed to meet the criteria (Betfred, Winners etc...)?

So they have enough acquisition to be able to enter iPoker2 but can't cover their churn while having soft games? (btw 850 new players means 850 new players that rake at least $5 within 30days and if you are into affiliation you would know that conversion rate from sign up to deposit is about 15%-20% so it would mean having at least 5k new sign up to get the 850)


I guess something doesn't compute or I'm missing something.

Tweet from egaming review (reliable source):

Tom Victor ‏@egamingreview
Breaking News: Betclic Everest announces Playtech agreement

There you go. It was already confirmed for weeks though, just not made official yet until now.

Yup can confirm betclic-everest have sent around a presser; no new details that we didn't write last month though. Just 'this year' for the time scale