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Old 01-06-2012, 09:14 PM   #51
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Re: Officially Robbed by Intertops

Seriously? Can mods lock this thread please.

Sending in our passports and/or ID is something we've all had to do. You are nit picking because they didn't specifically mention a passport # in their TOS. You are seriously making this much tougher on yourself than you need to and your characterization that Intertops has "officially" robbed you is grossly overstated. Get over yourself and send them the info they require.
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Old 01-06-2012, 09:20 PM   #52
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Old 01-06-2012, 09:28 PM   #53
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I'm not sure I get it. When you check into a hotel in nearly any foreign country, they generally will photocopy your passport, including the photo and ID number. I've often had to hand over my passport to people in banks, post offices, job interview situations, etc. while living overseas, and they would have had equal opportunity to quickly photocopy it as well. I don't think (and I may be naive) that any of these people are seeking to sell the info there, particularly not the photo (unless it's to modeling companies ).
You seem to be tilting at windmills, so to speak. Most likely they are not seeking to sell your info, but have simply decided, as companies will, that this is the security procedure they will follow, for no good reason other than that's what their security people came up with to prove they were worth the cost of hiring. In all likelihood, they are simply copying other sites' security practices.
Good luck, but I don't think this is a battle you are destined to make progress in, much less win.
How can they verify this info if they do not have it already? Thats their excuse to needing it. To verify.

Also I am not getting a job there or trying to rent a room, don't know what that has to do with getting a check??

And the bank doesn't let you open an account, let you deposit then they ask for any info they want. If you don't give to them they "hold your money" until you submit. It's up front you know what they need and its your choice to give it to them. Not the case with intertops.

I also never had to give any type of this info before on 6 sites. Not so standard imo.

If I bought something from you would I need to see your photo id and # to send you a check?

Again I don't know what they use it for but the fact they say they need it on false pretenses, won't answer any questions, raises all sorts of flags.

And as far as me winning(getting MY money back from robbers) I am considering it stolen anyways. But am filing with the DOJ anyways just to see what happens. Its all for the LULz at this point. I intend to get all the money back + interest in fun now.
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Old 01-06-2012, 09:29 PM   #54
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Re: Officially Robbed by Intertops

You're delusional.
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Old 01-06-2012, 09:33 PM   #55
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Seriously? Can mods lock this thread please.

Sending in our passports and/or ID is something we've all had to do. You are nit picking because they didn't specifically mention a passport # in their TOS. You are seriously making this much tougher on yourself than you need to and your characterization that Intertops has "officially" robbed you is grossly overstated. Get over yourself and send them the info they require.
Why the ban hammer Im sick of you guys WTF? If you dont have anything of relevance to include go to another thread.

How am I making it tougher on me? I have been robbed!!! No way to make that tougher at this point. Its a joke you guys are attacking me. I have done nothing wrong.

If they are going to use the TOS against me why can't I use it when its actually proves my point.

Again I just want My Money back I do not wish to keep playing their.

Whats your definition of being robbed?
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Old 01-06-2012, 09:34 PM   #56
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You're delusional.
Really guy?? How so? Please enlighten me.
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Old 01-06-2012, 09:36 PM   #57
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Old 01-06-2012, 09:37 PM   #58
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Agree with OP. I've also had sites request that I send them a non-blacked-out photocopy of my credit card ?! Via insecure email no less. How stupid is that. It's not worth risking having your credit card jacked or your identity stolen for a few hundred dollars.

There is NO justification for requiring someone's passport in order to send them a check.

If they accept money from someone they should also pay money back to that person. End of story AFAIC. Anything else is theft. If they want to check passports, do it before approving the deposit.

The hotel analogy doesn't correspond; if it was like this situation the hotel would let someone check in, but not let them check out until they produce their passport. (Hotel California?)
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Old 01-06-2012, 09:42 PM   #59
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Whats your definition of being robbed?
Certainly not a disagreement over the ID required to make a withdrawal; that's not even close to robbery.

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If they accept money from someone they should also pay money back to that person. End of story AFAIC. Anything else is theft.
Really? What if the deposit was fraudulent?

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If they want to check passports, do it before approving the deposit.
A nice idea, but extremely unrealistic, unfortunately.
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Old 01-06-2012, 09:43 PM   #60
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Agree with OP. I've also had sites request that I send them a non-blacked-out photocopy of my credit card ?! Via insecure email no less. How stupid is that. It's not worth risking having your credit card jacked or your identity stolen for a few hundred dollars.

There is NO justification for requiring someone's passport in order to send them a check.

If they accept money from someone they should also pay money back to that person. End of story AFAIC. Anything else is theft. If they want to check passports, do it before approving the deposit.

The hotel analogy doesn't correspond; if it was like this situation the hotel would let someone check in, but not let them check out until they produce their passport. (Hotel California?)
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Old 01-06-2012, 09:45 PM   #61
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Certainly not a disagreement over the ID required to make a withdrawal; that's not even close to robbery.


Really? What if the deposit was fraudulent?


A nice idea, but extremely unrealistic, unfortunately.
Hi Bobo, I have the original moneygram receipt, I sent cash. Wheres the fraud??? I have never been accused of nor have commited any fraud or wrong doing.

Fine replace robbing with stolen ie depriving one of their property. Which is what is being done here.

And why would that be unrealistic they make you to cashout? Why not to deposit? If I would have known this in the beginning I would have never signed up.

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Old 01-06-2012, 10:01 PM   #62
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Old 01-06-2012, 10:04 PM   #63
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Really? What if the deposit was fraudulent?
Then the poker site can eat it, just like any other fraudulent deposit they accept. It's their job to check that deposits are valid.

OP's deposit could just as easily have been lost at the tables to someone else, if the someone else (who is verified) withdraws the money then where does that leave the site?

I haven't followed OP's case closely enough to know how he deposited. If he deposits via a credit card and then withdraws to a DIFFERENT card, or a different withdrawal method, 3 days later, then I agree that they could withhold the withdrawal until they have verified the DEPOSIT.

It's been months though; if the OP deposited via creditcard and the card was reported stolen or a chargeback put through, they would know about it by now.
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Old 01-06-2012, 10:04 PM   #64
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Old 01-06-2012, 10:06 PM   #65
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Then the poker site can eat it, just like any other fraudulent deposit they accept. It's their job to check that deposits are valid.

OP's deposit could just as easily have been lost at the tables to someone else, if the someone else (who is verified) withdraws the money then where does that leave the site?

I haven't followed OP's case closely enough to know how he deposited. If he deposits via a credit card and then withdraws to a DIFFERENT card, or a different withdrawal method, 3 days later, then I agree that they could withhold the withdrawal until they have verified the DEPOSIT.

It's been months though; if the OP deposited via creditcard and the card was reported stolen or a chargeback put through, they would know about it by now.
To clarify I did moneygram cash. Still have the receipt. I want a check,WU,MG to cashout. Where's the fraud??
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Old 01-06-2012, 10:09 PM   #66
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Re: Intertops cashout issue?

Also, it is unfortunate (but all too common) that a business will use bait-and-switch tactics to attract customers.

The T&C should explicitly say that they may request your passport in order to make a withdrawal. I have had similar experiences with sites' VIP programs; once you've signed up and deposited, you find out in the fine print there are restrictions that make it a whole less attractive than it looked from reading their website.
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Old 01-06-2012, 10:12 PM   #67
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Also, it is unfortunate (but all too common) that a business will use bait-and-switch tactics to attract customers.

The T&C should explicitly say that they may request your passport in order to make a withdrawal. I have had similar experiences with sites' VIP programs; once you've signed up and deposited, you find out in the fine print there are restrictions that make it a whole less attractive than it looked from reading their website.
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Old 01-06-2012, 10:13 PM   #68
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I opened an account at Intertops in late November. Requested a wire (U.S. Bank account) for 1k just after Christmas and received it just after New Year's. I had already sent in a bunch of documents to have limits raised so that probably helped speed things up. I'm pretty happy with Intertops and I'd recommend anyone who wants to play on the cake network but is worried about getting paid to try Intertops. All that said, I think sites should require more documentation, including proof of age, before you can deposit. This would prevent a lot of problems at cashout time. I understand that they want to keep the barrier to entry low but it makes them all look a little shady imo. I imagine that any U.S. legislation would be pretty strict in this regard so they may as well just self-regulate now and get people used to it.
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Old 01-06-2012, 10:27 PM   #69
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I opened an account at Intertops in late November. Requested a wire (U.S. Bank account) for 1k just after Christmas and received it just after New Year's. I had already sent in a bunch of documents to have limits raised so that probably helped speed things up. I'm pretty happy with Intertops and I'd recommend anyone who wants to play on the cake network but is worried about getting paid to try Intertops. All that said, I think sites should require more documentation, including proof of age, before you can deposit. This would prevent a lot of problems at cashout time. I understand that they want to keep the barrier to entry low but it makes them all look a little shady imo. I imagine that any U.S. legislation would be pretty strict in this regard so they may as well just self-regulate now and get people used to it.
How are you not paid to be here and say this? Why dont you just take the banner off their website you know "Trust the first since 1996" Go Intertops!!

Now ask me or review this thread and see how much I trust them and how speedy my cashout has been.

If you want to shill for them go to a different thread please.......
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Old 01-06-2012, 10:34 PM   #70
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How are you not paid to be here and say this? Why dont you just take the banner off their website you know "Trust the first since 1996" Go Intertops!!

Now ask me or review this thread and see how much I trust them and how speedy my cashout has been.

If you want to shill for them go to a different thread please.......
Your cashout has been slow because you're a ****ing moron.
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Old 01-06-2012, 10:40 PM   #71
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Your cashout has been slow because you're a ****ing moron.
How so? What did I do wrong? What was so moronic?
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Old 01-06-2012, 10:45 PM   #72
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Your cashout has been slow because you're a ****ing moron.
Am I a moron for caring about my personal info? For it's usages and abuses? For understanding the TOS and expecting the one that wrote it to follow it? Am I a moron for wanting my personal property back? Or for asking questions and telling the truth?
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Am I a moron for caring about my personal info? For it's usages and abuses?
You're dumb for taking a stand on this one dumb issue, and acting like your passport number is the most important thing in the world. It's a bit odd to trust somebody to hold your money for you, but not trust them with a digital picture of an ID.
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For understanding the TOS and expecting the one that wrote it to follow it?
I'm not sure you do understand it. Let's take a look at the part that sticks in your craw:
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INTERTOPS reserves the right to verify Your identity and the fidelity of the information you have supplied by making various security and ID checks.
It's not saying they'll be using the ID just to check the information you provided, they're making sure that what you provided them with is actually your information. They're literally doing it as a form of identity protection.
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Am I a moron for wanting my personal property back?
Well like I said, it's pretty dumb to trust someone with money but not a digital photo.
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Or for asking questions and telling the truth?
If there were as many shills as you seem to believe there are, the sites wouldn't be keeping much profit for themselves.
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Old 01-06-2012, 11:54 PM   #74
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OP, what is so hard about scanning your id and utility bill? That takes maybe 5 minutes?
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OP, what is so hard about scanning your id and utility bill? That takes maybe 5 minutes?
Nothing and I did. I just blocked out photo and #. But I think your missing the whole point.
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