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Old 01-21-2012, 06:24 PM   #251
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I don't find it strange at all. It is quite common. Many people on this thread seem to have the attitude "everyone does it so it's OK", or "the man said to do it so just do it, don't question it". This is the same attitude that's led to the disgrace that goes under the name of airport "security" in the US , among other things.



Funny example.. the store checks your security before accepting money from you. The opposite of the poker site.
The thing is most people will never cash out (maybe 10%), so it would be a waste of resources and annoying for the players (especially the fish) to have to verify ID before you can play. Do you not agree that it makes much more sense to do it after?

You can question their policies all you want, but if you want to get your money off these sites, then you better follow the rules. If you don't want to go through that, then leave the money on the site and stop playing online. If you don't want to go through the BS with the TSA, then don't fly.

I'm not saying that this is the way things should be, but it is the way they are. Play by their rules or don't play at all.

I don't understand what either of you hope to accomplish here.
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Old 01-21-2012, 06:49 PM   #252
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I don't find it strange at all. It is quite common. Many people on this thread seem to have the attitude "everyone does it so it's OK", or "the man said to do it so just do it, don't question it". This is the same attitude that's led to the disgrace that goes under the name of airport "security" in the US , among other things.
Yes strangers putting their hands on our children and keeping naked scanner pictures of people. Is keeping us safe. Don't you know? It's just standard. I wonder if Intertops asked for naked pics. How many would go along with it??
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Old 01-21-2012, 07:07 PM   #253
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The thing is most people will never cash out (maybe 10%), so it would be a waste of resources and annoying for the players (especially the fish) to have to verify ID before you can play. Do you not agree that it makes much more sense to do it after?
It makes sense, if by not providing full disclosure, it makes them more profitable.

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You can question their policies all you want, but if you want to get your money off these sites, then you better follow the rules. If you don't want to go through that, then leave the money on the site and stop playing online. If you don't want to go through the BS with the TSA, then don't fly.
Thats always the excuse don't play or don't fly. I don't want to play there anymore. I did not know I couldn't cash out without providing things, that I didn't have to sign up. I know TSA is gonna grab my balls going into it. I didn't know Intertops was gonna bust my balls like this. If I would have, I wouldn't have joined. And you can't point to the legalese TOS that can be interpreted any way. It's in legalese ie a foreign language used to deceive. So the sophist(lawyer) can get paid to make sophisticated arguments on either side.

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I'm not saying that this is the way things should be, but it is the way they are. Play by their rules or don't play at all.
Didn't know those were the rules. I do now and don't want to play there. Are you saying they should steal my money then?

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I don't understand what either of you hope to accomplish here.
I can't speak for kittens. But I am looking for full disclosure. And to bring awareness to people who would otherwise not know. As I wished someone would have done for me. ANd since Intertops apparently will not. I must. I just can't believe people think its fine to not full disclose that in the beginning???
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Old 01-21-2012, 09:22 PM   #254
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The thing is most people will never cash out (maybe 10%), so it would be a waste of resources and annoying for the players (especially the fish) to have to verify ID before you can play. Do you not agree that it makes much more profit to do it after?
Fixed your post

I guess you didn't read the rest of the thread as we have been over this already. Intertops (and other sites) are maximising their profits by treating their customers in a way that is, in my opinion, unfair and unreasonable to the customer.
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Old 01-21-2012, 09:50 PM   #255
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Fixed your post

I guess you didn't read the rest of the thread as we have been over this already. Intertops (and other sites) are maximising their profits by treating their customers in a way that is, in my opinion, unfair and unreasonable to the customer.
Even if the sole purpose of ID checks were to keep the money of people who can't verify who they are, why give the site a reason to keep it?

If they want verification, give it and never play on the site again if your appaud by the policy. Other than that, they will just keep the money.
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Old 01-23-2012, 05:31 AM   #256
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Even if the sole purpose of ID checks were to keep the money of people who can't verify who they are, why give the site a reason to keep it?

If they want verification, give it and never play on the site again if your appaud by the policy. Other than that, they will just keep the money.
Your trying to imply that I can't verify who I am. How much more can I do? I have the receipt. Two forms of ID, CC statements, this thread, their mailer.

There is no reason why they need to database my photo and gov't #. To send a check I have a receipt for. Are they a gov't?? Am I passing port?

I could see if there was something shady or unusual on my play. There was nothing. No player transfer, chip dump, CC usage, ect...I did nothing wrong. And yet I am treated like a criminal.

And to me, it's scary to hear people on this thread say. It's ok for them to steal my money. At this point they are willfully stealing from me. It's not ok.

Does anyone else have a receipt for my money? Can anyone make a claim on that?? Can anyone say my claim is illegitimate??Can anyone say I did anything wrong???Can you tell me stealing is ok?? If they are not stealing, then what is it????
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Old 01-23-2012, 05:42 AM   #257
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Your trying to imply that I can't verify who I am. How much more can I do? I have the receipt. Two forms of ID, CC statements, this thread, their mailer.

There is no reason why they need to database my photo and gov't #. To send a check I have a receipt for. Are they a gov't?? Am I passing port?

I could see if there was something shady or unusual on my play. There was nothing. No player transfer, chip dump, CC usage, ect...I did nothing wrong. And yet I am treated like a criminal.

And to me, it's scary to hear people on this thread say. It's ok for them to steal my money. At this point they are willfully stealing from me. It's not ok.

Does anyone else have a receipt for my money? Can anyone make a claim on that?? Can anyone say my claim is illegitimate??Can anyone say I did anything wrong???Can you tell me stealing is ok?? If they are not stealing, then what is it????
i personally dont deposit money somewhere unless i know what it takes for withdrawal and im willing to comply.
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Old 01-23-2012, 05:47 AM   #258
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If they can do this to me. Whats stopping them from doing anything to anyone. Remember most poker sites are in foreign jurisdictions. So you or I have little to no recourse.

And I promise you somewhere in all site's TOS, is a clause that says. They reserve the right to cancel,close or confiscate anyone's account or money. For any reason they deem fit.

This is the reason no american players will get their money back from FT. What's funny, and sad, is that there are still tons of people playing there.
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Old 01-23-2012, 05:50 AM   #259
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If they can do this to me. Whats stopping them from doing anything to anyone. Remember most poker sites are in foreign jurisdictions. So you or I have little to no recourse.

And I promise you somewhere in all site's TOS, is a clause that says. They reserve the right to cancel,close or confiscate anyone's account or money. For any reason they deem fit.

This is the reason no american players will get their money back from FT. What's funny, and sad, is that there are still tons of people playing there.
so if you knew all this why did you deposit?
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Old 01-23-2012, 08:12 AM   #260
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Don't play there if you don't like the TOS. You signed up for the site. No one made you play there. My advice would be to sell the funds in the 2p2 marketplace, if you still have your transfer ability (probably not).

It's completely unfair to Intertops that this thread, with it's title, keeps staying on the front page. Intertops has been very prompt with their cashouts, something almost no USA-facing sites can say. newschool, I see your point. But the fact is, nothing you say will change it, and you either need to accept that you signed up for it or move on.
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Old 01-23-2012, 08:54 AM   #261
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I don't find it strange at all. It is quite common. Many people on this thread seem to have the attitude "everyone does it so it's OK", or "the man said to do it so just do it, don't question it". This is the same attitude that's led to the disgrace that goes under the name of airport "security" in the US , among other things.
The difference, of course, is that unlike airport "security" these online poker ID checks have actually stopped scammers before.
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Funny example.. the store checks your security before accepting money from you. The opposite of the poker site.
Do they check your security? When I worked retail, all our security check consisted of was writing a person's drivers license number and expiration date on the top part of their check. Imagine how many hands touch that very check before your bank gets it.
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Unless you believe it should be top secret.LOL And that I shouldn't know what they do with MY info.LOL And should trust the ones that will not comment. sigh......
Best of luck to you, maybe if you continue to repeat yourself eventually they'll just give up (they won't).
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Old 01-23-2012, 09:28 AM   #262
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These poker sites should be requiring identity verification before they accept any deposits or any play in cash games and tourneys, inclusive of freerolls.
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Old 01-23-2012, 11:03 AM   #263
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Thread title should be changed to Intertops cashout non issue imo.
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Old 01-23-2012, 02:06 PM   #264
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Hi

Intertops is not stealing your money, it is all on your Intertops account. The account is not locked and you have access to the account.

However, to make an withdrawal, you were advised to provide a copy of your Passport/ID page in full and utility Bill/Statement (no older than two months). We want to be able to verify the information that you supplied us with when registering for an account.

The documents you provided could not be accepted because you blocked out all the relevant information required, this includes your photo, date of birth and passport number. To verify your address you inserted a piece of paper with your address printed on it which, of course, we cannot accept.


If you provide us with these documents we will happily process your withdrawal as quickly as we process any other withdrawal made by our players.


Best regards,

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Your trying to imply that I can't verify who I am. How much more can I do? I have the receipt. Two forms of ID, CC statements, this thread, their mailer.

There is no reason why they need to database my photo and gov't #. To send a check I have a receipt for. Are they a gov't?? Am I passing port?

I could see if there was something shady or unusual on my play. There was nothing. No player transfer, chip dump, CC usage, ect...I did nothing wrong. And yet I am treated like a criminal.

And to me, it's scary to hear people on this thread say. It's ok for them to steal my money. At this point they are willfully stealing from me. It's not ok.

Does anyone else have a receipt for my money? Can anyone make a claim on that?? Can anyone say my claim is illegitimate??Can anyone say I did anything wrong???Can you tell me stealing is ok?? If they are not stealing, then what is it????
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Old 01-23-2012, 02:13 PM   #265
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Why is thread even active anymore?
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Old 01-23-2012, 02:13 PM   #266
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Old 01-23-2012, 02:26 PM   #267
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This is the reason no american players will get their money back from FT. What's funny, and sad, is that there are still tons of people playing there.
No. What's funny, and sad, is how clueless you are.
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Old 01-23-2012, 03:12 PM   #268
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However, to make an withdrawal, you were advised to provide a copy of your Passport/ID page in full and utility Bill/Statement (no older than two months). We want to be able to verify the information that you supplied us with when registering for an account.
Can you explain why a full passport page is necessary?
How does a blacked-out photo stop you from verifying the supplied details?

Also, can you explain why verification is needed to return the same money via the exact same method it was deposited in the first place (Moneygram) -- even though no verification was needed for you to accept the money?
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Old 01-24-2012, 09:21 AM   #269
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wow all they need is something issued by the government that shows your name and birthdate to verify that you are a real human being

why block out the photo?? ok so lets say intertops poker is really a scam site and they're going to steal your identity, how do they benefit from seeing your picture?

and you just wrote your address down on a piece of paper instead of a sending them a utility bill? how is that any ****ing different than providing the same information but with a letterhead from your water or cable company. LOL.

kittens - they want the full page because ppl are nifty at doctoring images on the computer and if he sends them a jpeg all hacked up in mspaint then its impossible to tell if its legitimate. and moneygram always gets more scrutiny than other w/d methods, scamming thru money transfer services is wildly rampant, just wiki "advance-fee fraud."

in order to receive money from moneygram you have to verify your identity, id be wary of any site that didnt do the same identity verification before sending money as well.
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Old 01-24-2012, 06:42 PM   #270
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wow all they need is something issued by the government that shows your name and birthdate to verify that you are a real human being
So a photo and gov't # is not needed then?


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why block out the photo?? ok so lets say intertops poker is really a scam site and they're going to steal your identity, how do they benefit from seeing your picture?
Because it's a whole ID. Watch the movie a few pages back.


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and you just wrote your address down on a piece of paper instead of a sending them a utility bill? how is that any ****ing different than providing the same information but with a letterhead from your water or cable company. LOL.
This is a lie, they did this to me earlier ITT. I didn't write anything down and send it.

They have and are trying to belittle me and the situation by saying such things. I asked Bobo Fett if I could send what I sent to Intertops. So he could act as a independent third party. He did not answer. I don't blame him either. Everything on the PP was visible except photo and pp#. As Bobo mentioned there is no addy on the pp. SO I offered to send DL without photo and DL#. They refused this. I don't have any other ID's. I told them I do not have CC anymore, so I sent them two different CC offers with my name and addy on it. They were less then 3 months old. I also sent the moneygram receipt.



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in order to receive money from moneygram you have to verify your identity, id be wary of any site that didnt do the same identity verification before sending money as well.
yes and I had to show in order to send. I have the receipt. SO you are agreeing that I have already been verified by an independent third party? And would have to be verified again to receive?
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Old 01-24-2012, 06:46 PM   #271
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so if you knew all this why did you deposit?
How many times do I have to say this. I DID NOT KNOW
THIS IS THE PROBLEM. I WAS NOT PROVIDED FULL DISCLOSURE!! IF I DID KNOW I WOULDN'T HAVE JOINED!! THIS IS THE WHOLE POINT OF THE THREAD!!!!!!!
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Old 01-24-2012, 06:50 PM   #272
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i personally dont deposit money somewhere unless i know what it takes for withdrawal and im willing to comply.
Very good advice. I wished I would have followed it beforehand. Yet here we are. Any advice on how to get my moneyz back with my personal info intact?
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obviously not...either do it or don't, this thread serves no purpose
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Old 01-24-2012, 06:55 PM   #274
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These poker sites should be requiring identity verification before they accept any deposits or any play in cash games and tourneys, inclusive of freerolls.
+10000000 It has been discussed ITT as to why they don't.
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Old 01-24-2012, 06:56 PM   #275
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obviously not...either do it or don't, this thread serves no purpose
Sorry you feel this way but to me and others, like the poster^^^It does serve a purpose.
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