Pitbull poker I remember this one hand. Has always stuck with me. We both had $75 at the table

Had AA vs QK suited...

flop J44 rainbow...He leads out for $9..I raise to $47.....he calls....um wat with no pair no draw and only like $15 left behind

Turn 10...I go all in for last $15 or so...he calls....river 9

This hand made no sense at all whatsoever....and he won some weird way..

I spoke to op through PM....and its safe to say now there will be a thread with much evidence to be made about the scandal in the coming days.

Thought I forgot about it all Dave. Lets just say you have been caught red handed and once this gaming commission emails the last piece of info back...your site will be shut down.

Wow. It is obvious this is an avoid at all costs poker room. They can't send out hand histories to players because it is "too much work"? Perfect setup for operator fraud. And just by chance that is what they are being accused of.

I have been dying to post here and make a thread and now I have the go ahead so good luck explaining all the findings from 5 different players who have been studying your software for the past 6 months.

lol that happens to me in every pokerroom pretty often!

Cliff Notes:

-we suspect superuser cheating on pitbull poker, most likely by the owner/staff
-dimensus the owning company of pitbull apparently dissolved in March
-they never had a gaming license

ya that happens but it stuck with me as all bad beats do...But we have some sick evidence to show how they were/are stealing from players right off the table.

For a little taste we have proof they are taking money from the players right off the table in small sums (obviously aside from rake)

I dont want to reveal too much at this time but I want everyone to be aware and watch out for the thread over the next few days and understand it has overwhelming evidence, HH with all proof. Also emails saved from PBDave ackowledging the system is stealing from players and 95% of them are unaware of it.

None of it is "super user" accusations. but outright HH studies done by 5 players proving without a doubt how they steal money and admittance by Dave himself.

Not sure if this was posted yet, but this is certainly not a good sign:

http://www.ukdata.com/company-credit...S-LIMITED.html

Yeah I bought the full report thats where I got the info I posted earlier. I'm not sure if I am legally allowed to post the whole thing here, anyone know?

https://secure.creditgate.com/search...BT=Full%20Data
hereu can buy a credit report and some other reports,
may it helps

PS: minty poker is from the same company as i know.

u guys know anymore pokerroms of this company?

this hand has absolutely nothing to do with superusing, you cannot be an intelligent person and post that crap above and believe it.

Earlier it was mentioned that they are not licensed. Apparently they are in fact licensed believe it or not: by themselves or something like that rather than a 3rd party, what a joke.

http://www.pitbullgaming.com/
http://www.pitbullgaming.com/pitbull...licensing.html

playerwins.com is also part of that company named demensus limited.

omg another site of that company....
[QUOTE]flashpoker.com/about/about_legal.jsp[QUOTE]

As we now know, Dimensus Ltd hasn't existed since March. However, they initially applied to have their company "struck" in October last year, stating that they hadn't traded in the three months prior to that. It therefore follows that Dimensus Ltd hasn't traded in any form since at least July 2008.

I may be a law novice, but how can an end user agreement be legal if one side of that agreement doesn't exist and therefore can't own the poker room concerned?

On this page:

http://wck2.companieshouse.gov.uk/b6...prodorder?ft=1

about halfway down the page there is a document noting the address was changed from

21 PARKSIDE
TANFIELD LEA
STANLEY
COUNTY DURHAM DH9 9NW

Googling this address returns also 247livecasino.com, registrant

Barson Limited
David Silverman ()

Fax:
21 Parkside, Tanfield Lea,
Stanley, DH9 9NW
GB

http://whois.domaintools.com/247livecasino.com

I'm also pretty sure this is the same address:

http://houseprices.thewestmorlandgazette.co.uk/?submit=view%20details&id={262396C2-4139-4232-9912-27E7F2B47D1C}

So I am guessing this was the residential address at the time for the person that owns this company.

That ought to make things easy for the gaming commission who has been sent a link to this thread.

Just read the whole thread. I'd rather another scandal not rock the online poker world, but this is not looking good. Pitbull Poker's (PBP) responses are absurd. Come on, PBP, give out the hand histories already.

LIMITATION OF LIABILITY.

Under no circumstances, including negligence, shall Flash Poker be liable for any special, incidental, indirect, or consequential damages whatsoever (including, without limitation, damages for loss of business profits, business interruption, loss of business information, or any other pecuniary loss) arising out of the use (or misuse) of the Software, the Games or your accessing the Site or the Servers, even if Flash Poker had prior knowledge of the possibility of such damages.

hmmmmmmmmmm

thank god they dont get the traffic as UB did because i think there definitly on the same scale

Trying to go further on who really owns this site:

Dimensus Limited owned pitbull until it dissolved

Dimensus had 2 shareholders:

1. Fermoya Limited
2. BMIE Limited

I am still looking for info on Fermoya.

BMIE has 2 shareholders. 1 of them is Fermoya limited (lol). The other is Lenia Management Limited.
So Fermoya and Lenia are the two we still need info on.

Well I am drawing blanks on these companies. They are both in teh british virgin islands and that seems to be a good place to hide your identity.

"Confidentiality is one of the key features of the BVI Business Company as details of the company beneficial owners, directors and shareholders are NOT part of public record. Register of Members, Register of Directors and all Minutes and Resolutions by the Company are kept only at the offices of the Registered Agent in complete confidentiality. Certainly, though, these files are available for inspection to Company shareholders.

The only documents held on public record are the Memorandum and Articles of Association, but these normally do not contain any indication as to the actual shareholders, directors or the beneficial owners of the company.

At the same time, if the owners of the company so wish, the Register of Directors and/or the Register of Members may be filed with the Registrar of Companies. Such step may be desirable if a complete certainly must be achieved and showed publicly as to the actual identities of the Company managers or members - but, again, this is purely optional."


So I think I'm gonna stop looking. I missed a day of poker doing all this yesterday and feel I have left plenty for PBDave to explain.

I feel like signing up to PBP just to copy paste a link to this thread on every table in that site.

I'm amazed at PB's response. They need a lesson in crisis management. This whole thing could bring down the site, yet their response is to stonewall and say they can't provide the information that (they say) would exonerate them. There's no doubt that at some point they're going to have to change their tune. I have a feeling, though, that by the time they do that, it's going to be too late for them.

Just found this in the other PB thread. If this is true, holy ****....



Originally Posted by PBDeepThroat
Dave will deny this but here we go,

I used to work for Dimensus Limited the parent company for PitBull poker. I helped setup the initial software and network connectivity. I would like to start with, unlike what CS says some of you are exactly right. The whole object of Dimensus is to "Keep Money in the System", Ill explain below.

Here is the way the System was setup before I left:

Each player is given a Player Level 3 (1-4) the higher the level the More Likely you will get favorable cards at a given time. For Example, when you first signup you are given a PL of 3, this is the most favorable level a "Regular" player can have. For those of you who have played there you probably noticed the 1 or 2 players at the table who seem to get the rivers etc. You may have a Flush and they have a FH etc. The object of the system is to funnel more funds to Player Level 3 and 4. Why? Remember when you first signup or deposit you need to accrue the hands and points in order to withdraw. So they funnel $$ to the 3's knowing full well they cannot W/D if they wanted too. The closer a player gets to the 200-300 point mark in order to withdraw their player points will lower to 2 and 1. One being the lowest, meaning you cant get crap; your the guy holding the KQ Flush and the PL3 gets the A high. Why? They want to funnel the $$ to another player who cannot withdraw because of Point Requirements!

So why is this?

Simple: Keep the $$ in the system.
A. The $$ will slowly be whittled away with the rake no matter how many times it changes hands.
B. The $$ is in Dimensus LLC bank account accumulating interest. So the longer they can keep the money "In the System" the more they make. Hence, why its so hard to withdraw as soon as you deposit.

Player Level 4's are only for internal personnel. We originally had PL4 for testing only, but more and more employees use it. Rest assured, they cannot see your hands! But... they will get all the favorable cards at the right moment over Player Level 1-3.

If you are from a External Source for Example BetUS, and send $$ to PitBull poker. Cause BetUS use PitBull as a pokerroom. You will be assigned a Player Level 1, meaning you will most likely LOSE more they you will ever win. When I was there we called them "Suckers". $$ comming in from outside sources without us having to pay on it, is just FREE $$ to us. You will very seldom come out ahead.

I just wanted to clear the air about a few things. Read this and take snapshots if you like cause im sure Dave will be crying to 2+2 mods to delete this post soon. Deposit at PB at your own risk!

PitBull Deep Throat

I really doubt that is true, mainly because it sounds like a complex programming job and pitbull seems to have atrocious programmers(or had, before the company was dissolved).

I sent that guy a PM a while back asking him if he could provide any evidence he really worked for dimensus and he never responded so I am assuming he is just a troll.

Yea, it very well may be someone trolling, but chester, it really is not that complicated to program levels for different users. I mean, its just programming. all it takes is time.