Hmmm. I used to play there, stopped over a year ago. As to never having a problem finding a game, yes, I always noticed that, too, but never thought too much about it, but in light of this thread, I can see now how that is suspicious.

Personally, I never really felt cheated. Did okay. Just got tired of the software. Never had a problem with cashouts, got the hat and t-shirt, as promised. At some point, they changed, and even though I'd been playing there for two years and cashed out multiple times, they started requiring all kinds of ID and crap to cash out, and I just said, nah, not going to bother with all that.

There is a big difference between winning million dollars over a career and being a millionare. I've been playing 7 years and won about 100k a year on avg. My intention wasn't to present myself as a high roller but rather as someone that has played a TON of poker. I can assure you I am most definitely not a high roller.

PBdave told someone already that it is possible to get hand histories. We know they have the capability. I'm not a tech guy and don't plan to become one when they already have the capability and just don't want to use it.

There is a big difference between pitbull and AP obviously. There were many more people watching and playing in those games, and they were PT compatible HH's, so it was easy to show the stats and demonstrate the cheating.

All we want is 1000 hands from pitbull. That really isn't that unreasonable I don't think.

FWIW, not that you really care I am sure, I left pitbull a decent winner.

And the reason there are no established posters chiming in is because they don't play on pitbull and have no experience in these games. Hopefully some more players with experience will come along. That is the point of this thread.

i have a friend that i trust very much at his word that says he has 1. been abducted by aliens and 2. claims to have seen jim morrison in 1985. i believe he beliebes that that these things happened. it does not make it true. you are quoting this circumstantial claim as a valid point that bolsters your hunch, yet is is completely hearsay. it is sad that you don't understand this important distinction.

does your prop friend have any proof? or do you take him at his word? if you have been playing for 7 years, you would realize that there are countless examples of board cards from the previous hand still showing on the next flop. heck, i was playing one day and there were SIX board cards! this is a graphics bug, plain and simple.

Dumb comparisons since 1000 hands of hh would help a ton.
Didn't you say something about hearsay?

Stop being so quick to judge OG over trivial matters like how much he's made.

+1
This is one of the best response I have seen to a riggtard post
And it's like cliff notes

pigbot certainly sounds like a different writer, and the similarity of his story makes it seems there's a decent chance this could be legit.

chester what do you hope to determine from 1000 HHs? Have you determined that's enough to do some kind of statistical analysis? I don't play on Pitbull obv. But I guess it's worth it to me to spend some time on this for the overall health of online poker. But I want to know you have a real plan as to what you are planning to do with the HHs and what you hope to prove with them. If I spend 10 hours scraping the HHs and you sit on your hands, which is what happens about 99% of the time in these cases, that would be a little frustrating.

izzabot,
this thread IS d blowup.

So where's that ppdave guy, I'm sure he can straighten this whole thing out like he usually does.

wot?

33 replies.

this industry is so unregulated and it really is very worrisome. I for one have always said that how can a site owner play on his own site. Yet, you have lederer,ivey,harmon to name a few doing this and mark seif was doing it on absolute poker.

I had never even heard of Pitbull before this thread. I know nothing about them. However, if I were the Pitbull guy I would never even consider engaging these flakes in further conversation. He apparently has been talking to them and defending his stance since December, yet all the OP does is continue to threat and extort. If I were the owner of Pitbull and this Dave guy continued responding, I would fire him immediately. Responding to baseless crap like this is beneath any reputable company. Pitbull has stated over and over and over that this group is making baseless claims. Now the group, which includes players making 7 figures over the last 7 years suddenly can't afford to pay an analyst to help them with their hunch. That's really all this is. A hunch by a group of people that have simply been schooled and don't like it.

Also, moderator's should change the title to read "I suspect superusers at Pitbull". The current title suggests there is some kind of proof itt, and that's completely laughable. The only proof I see is that OP is a lazy, cheap, sky is falling whiner. His statements are slanderous IMO.

Chester,

I just erased a long post. I'm gonna keep it VERY simple. Two things, I respect you as a poster and a player. With that said, You ABSOLUTELY need to do some labor intensive work on this. I am sure if even hand by hand once you got to about 100-200 hands you would then know if this is even worth following up.

I also have to agree that you are way out of line with the way you are bringing this to pit bull,Dave,and these forums. I give Dave a lot of credit for keeping his composure.


Again, get started....NOW. You and your thirty other players have had over a half year to look at these hands. Even if you guys only looked at one hand each for everyday since you have brought this issue, you would have had way more then the simple 1000 you are looking for.

Chester and friends,

You need to seriously regroup and get your **** together. This is an epic FAIL otherwise.

I'm really having trouble grasping the fact that you thought you could bring such complete **** to these forums. Also, start acting professional, your tone is horrid at the moment.

EDIT: I also agree with the poster above 100%. You absolutely need to regroup and get off your lazy ass. **** this makes me mad chester, cause I actually liked you as a poster.

EDIT#2: The other pit bull thread is starting to look more and more like you have been ****ing with Dave the whole time. I am a full time FTP player, I only wish a site that has to be 10 times or more bigger then pitbull had half the CS he has been delivering in that thread. You really need to stop with the nonsense and get your **** together. As of now your credibility went from high to almost nil.

I admit, I'm a paranoid guy when it comes to online poker, especially after the UB Scandal, but Pitbull took the cake for me.

I signed up with them and it was a hassle from Day 1 to get them to follow-through with promises, including a bonus that was advertised differently than what it ended up being. When I called customer service, I got some guy who pretty much told me "too bad, nothing we can do". In fact, that seems to be their customer service MO. Can't produce HH's, which is complete insanity. they can't credit you the true bonus they advertised, which is BS. Can't do crap.

Anyway, I was playing there for about two weeks and found that the traffic was just really poor, but there was suspect play. I was up about $250 playing $1/$2 when I started playing against a number of players who made REALLY suspicious plays. I took note but didn't think more of it. Then, I log on one day and am playing and all of a sudden, I see seat 6 dealt 10-2. The only reason I remember is thinking that they had some sort of promotion for getting a doyle Brunson Strange that I could see an opponents cards - could they see mine as well?

About a week later, I'm playing $1/$2 NL and I have about $160 in front of me and the following hand came up:

Hero has 2-5o -

Raises to $12. Gets 2 callers. Flop comes Jh-10s-10c
Hero bets $24. SB folds. Other player calls.
turn is Kc.

Hero checks. Other player checks.

River is 8h.

Hero bets $75. Call.

Player 2 turns up 2-6.

There were three hands he could possibly beat.

Now, we can debate that I made a really poor play there, but you absolutely cannot call a $75 raise there without having something more than 6 high.

I left the table and cashed out the $60 I had left in my account that night and never logged on again.

And by the way, I haven't made 7 figures playing online

Definitely a superuser.

What actually is idiotic to me is that the guy didn't raise all-in. He'd know I couldn't have called and his hand would never have become visible.

You do realize that 62o doesn't beat 52o on a JTTK8 board?

not on pitbull apparently. lol, the guy takes the time to write up several paragraphs of BS and screws up that; level?

Well, I guess he never actually said he lost the pot. It could have been a split pot. Otherwise, yeah, you're right, he really f'ed up.

I know we have spotty evidence. Let me just say that you guys saying these things have no experience with the pitbull hand history system. Basically you log into your account, and to to the hand history tab. It presents every hand you have ever played as a single link. You have to do a search or it only shows the hands older than a day. You then have to click a link to view a hand. Very often, it will time out before showing you the hand. When that happens, it clears your search and you have to resort the hands all over again. Sometimes it just randomly clears the search anyways and you have to try and figure out where you were looking before. Their site is very slow and it takes at least 5 seconds for the hand to load when the site is working properly.

Those of you bashing me, if you don't have experience on pitbull, you really have nothing of value to add to this thread. If you are just looking for a fight take it somewhere else.

Here are a few hands vs the same player that I played, after I began to suspect cheating and I wanted to test it.

In both hands I was in position and they were the blind.

I open 5 9 suited, flop was 2 3 7 rainbow or something. $30 pot. He donks $10, I raise to $40. He calls. Brick turn. $110 pot. He donks $10 again, I raise to $100, he calls. I river a 5, he checks, I check behind, and he shows A 10 or A J.

Next hand:

I open A 10 offsuit, miss flop. Hand plays out exactly the same, except this time he donks $10 again on the river. I call and he shows A J, and beats me with Ace high better kicker.

My fellow players experience similiar things. None of us every managed to beat these players in a signifigant pot except like in the 5 9 hand where I sucked out. It was suspicous enough that it should warrant a little effort by the site to prove the integrity of their games.

1000 hands of shorthanded limit holdem is plenty of evidence. That is tons of showdowns and would be plenty IMO.

Imagine if a real site like stars had a thread like this going. Stars would be in here with every hand ever played by the player and could give any stats anyone wanted on anything.

Another thought, if pitbull is truly incapable of getting these hands it means they are incapable of policing their own games. So if you are a colluder pitbull is the place to be.

I didn't lose the pot - How does the guy make the call?

Sorry to mislead you.

Further issues with pitbull:

-I have been dealt my cards face down on multiple occasions.
-I have been big blind 2 hands in a row in a three handed game
-ditto that for small blind
-pot limit calculator is incorrect
-(reportedly)an aquantance of mine was able to see his opponents cards during a hand
-cashouts can litteraly take 5 months!
-hand histories are practically useless making any analysis or cheating detection nearly impossible

If there was ever a site to be suspicous of it is pitbull. Everything about the site is shady.

Lol I was just looking through my hh's to try and find you guys something and I sorted by stakes. It shows me played every limit from 400/800 nl to .04/.08 nl. When I clicked on the 400/800nl it showed this blinds as 25/50. It was probably 2/5 as that was the highest I played except a handfull of hands at 5/10.