these threads are so lame..blah blah blah, gtfo

This is correct. But not for the reasons OP thinks.

Translation: The reason it is correct is because idiots who believe that nonsense are super-lazy about learning to play well (because they assume that they already are). And rigged-donks who make excuses about how rigged the site is against them DEFINITELY deserve to lose their money. I wish they didn't actually. I wish bad players wouldn't go broke so fast. But it is the nature of the game. Bad players believe in rigged nonsense...and bad players deserve to lose.

So well done OP. I completely agree with you!

i personally start to shiver every time i get dealt AA, i knew it's comming, i know my AA is going to get cracked every single time and ofcourse every time i flop quads i don't get any action - suprise, suprise.

Perhaps,
You're all just a bad poker players. You're friends and family have lied to you your whole life about your shortcomings and faults. Forcing you to believe that you are truly a gift to humanity. A gift that couldn't possibly be capable of producing an "amateur" in any facet of life. Your life is a game, a game that you are incapable of failing; rather the game fails you;


or

Like Lizard People
A true narcissist that fails to accept personal responsibility for their own faults, resulting in the deflection of blame to external, and irrelevant forces.

You are doing it wrong. Everybody on Stars knows to fold AA against fish. The money really comes from regs who have been playing longer than you since their DSF(Doom switch factor) is higher than yours.

i was just messing with you guys.... what actually really helped me was realizing i was a big loser in mtts 109+ and huge winner 109 and less so what i did was cranked up my volume huge in smaller stakes mtts like the 5r and 10r as well as the 10 fo's and doing this still allowed me to play the higher buy ins but still be profitable as well... where as before i was picky and would only play tournaments where there was big pay outs... and yes monteroy you were my inspiration for getting my **** together. still hope to stay on the righteous path as for along time i wasnt grinding i was gambling and without a doubt i was... today i can honestly say i grind it and i grind it hard.

I suck at using HEM's filters and can figure this out, I'm pretty sure there's a way to filter by equity and by street, so obviously you'd just filter for 80%+ and preflop. Maybe the specific math like what the SD and confidence intervals are, but anyone capable of coming up with a logical theory should be able to filter their hands to provide evidence of it. People are more than willing to help fill in the knowledge gaps if you do the littlest bit of work on your own.

Ah good point, will incorporate into my game.

Perhaps you are right.
but i prefer to look at the facts myself, because i know you didn't know more then i do.
i don't care if you are non-rigged or rigtard, nobody here is 100% sure.
so don't derail the topic with things that is unrelated to this topic.
lizard people is really bad example.
that example only work when there is software that design to check this. but people choose to believe otherwise.

First, I do NOT think that Online Poker is rigged....


but...


Here is a VERY odd occurrence that seems to occur WAY TO MUCH. I usually play four tables on Stars. Im sure statistically this is happening once out of like 200 hands, but that even seems too much.

I've had the same pocket cards on all four boards, and I have seen the same flops on all four boards. One caveat is that they are not the same suits necessarily. Also, sometimes it can happen on only two tables, or three tables.

I just find that weird that it happens at all.

Again, I do not think poker is rigged, but this coincidence is just strange.


Another strange one is my pocket cards on one board, flopps perfect on my other board, and vice versa. Just weird.

Just for curiosity:


The confidential interval says if the sample variation of keys is within the normally range, write?

It's also kind of douchey to have evidence that a site is cheating people and just sit on it instead of helping out your fellow players.

There are only 52 cards in a deck, and only 169 starting hands, so it's not that weird.

hem only do filter for 80%+ with allin preflop hands.
this task is almost impossible to do anyway
most underpair are setmining and problem never make it to showdown.
using only allin preflop hand brings problem with simple size issue.

Prop bet. Accept it in the next hour, before you have time to search for it and realize your memory is bad. If you are so sure it happened then that isn't a problem for you. After all, you see it repeatedly. If you accept then you have 24 hours to produce it.

I'll bet $100 right now that you can not provide hand histories from 4 tables that you were seated at, with the same timestamp or say all within a minute, where you hold the same rank hole cards, disregarding suits. The bet is you cannot even provide ONE instance of this happening in your entire life.

Same bet for flops. Show a single instance of this EVER happening on 4 tables you were seated at with the same timestamps (within a minute).

If you find one we'll get it validated by the site. And I'll pay you $100. We'll escrow the money when you accept.

Or if you like, we can bet more.

EDIT: I don't even care about the time limit. The bet is good for anytime you ever want to accept it. Or you can admit you made it up and we'll forget the whole thing.

i fail to see the logic in your reply
but that odds can't be that good.
i put in a pretty good sample size online, and i never have the same starting hand on 4 table at once.
the odds of that happening has to be more then 1 in 1000000+

i'm in with spaditbidder on this one
i'm propbet too
$100 dollar and will bet more if you like.
hand history must be provided with hand number so we can confirm the HH hasn't been alter.
maybe otatop can team up with MauiPunter on this one.
only 169 starting hand eh.

He was correct on that (disregarding suits), but didn't realize what it means. Try flipping four 169-sided coins and have them all land the same. Keep trying it for the rest of your life.

I mean it when I say it is great if you turned around your approach and game in this manner. People who work with me know I preach non stop that to be a grinder one needs to play better than opponents and play lots. I also have pretty much a no whining rule as well as a choose if you are a gambler, casual grinder or real grinder rule and then act accordingly.

Not saying all of the above are complicated, rather they are actually quite simple, nor am I saying the way I present them is cuddly, but the poker economy is fairly simple in how it works and each player if they have the ability and self awareness and emotional discipline can carve their niche in it rather well (whether it be for fun, small casual profit or grinding). The poker economy also does not care if a person loses, in fact the way it works everyone else in it wants each player to lose.


Most riggies are very casual players and casual players can whine all they like as they play for reasons other than money. Sure I mock them for whining, because whiners are annoying :P, however they can do it as part of their game plan.

A guy who says he is a grinder who whines about RnGs, and mystery forces and all the silliness we see here deserves to be destroyed by the poker economy, and that is generally what a market system does. That's what you were when you first started posting here, so good job turning it around (ie: your approach to the game).


P.S. I want action on any prop bet involving stats that spade makes to any riggie for the rest of time. I can predict I will take spade's side 100% of the time (no unexpired database program needed to determine that).

Don't get our hopes up.

In before merge.

And after.

All four obviously isn't going to happen very often, but 2 being the same isn't that weird.

All four is almost certain to never happen. For one player it's 800 million to 1 when playing exactly four tables. To have 2 out of the 4 match is pretty common, I wasn't disputing that.

Keyboard >> Print Screen.

Just tellin'