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08-13-2010 , 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by FatedToPretend
Wiki, the guy's clearly speaking to me. There's no need for you to be answering that.
If you want a private conversation you have my permission to use the PM system. That's what it's there for. Posts in a public forum are answerable by anyone. That's the nature of a forum.

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I downloaded the trial versions of both Pokertracker and Holdem Manager a wee while ago. They won't even open, let alone me begin to figure out how to work them. I'm not too bothered by that, I must add, again a lot of you seem more bothered by that than me, I only downloaded them to appease the very same people in the first place.
Well you should be bothered. It demonstrates considerable inadequacy on your part.

And, anyway, you should have been downloading them to analyse your hands, not appease people here.

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As my trial version expires in 23 days, I'm not sure of the benefits of learning to use it, as by the time I do, it will be gone anyway.
Try being less of a tightwad and buy a copy, then.
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08-13-2010 , 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by FatedToPretend
I believe in first year, we studied algebra modules 1-3, statistics 1-3, and calculus 1-3, along with microeconomics, macroeconomics and I think international economics or something like that.

Second year, I can't remember anything we did apart from statistics modules 4-6.
What?

What?

You did six modules of stats at university maths level and you come on here asking basic questions on confidence intervals that are studied at the equivalent of GCSE?

Un-ferkin-believable! (Or, comedy gold.)
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08-13-2010 , 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Wiki
Yes you are.

You've been whining about the way people respond to you all day. I've known teething children who don't whine as much as you do.



You've gathered the evidence. It's on your computer in your HH's.

It's just that you are such a computer klutz that you can't do anything with them.

And you have no intention of learning the few skills you need, preferring to come here and whine about how useless you are with computers and beg for help.

It's really wearing a little thing now.

OTOH, if you are a gimmick, excellent job!



On the other other hand, I'm still not 100% convinced that you are not Monty losing an argument with himself.

I'm not begging for any help. That's simply not true.

When you say whining about how 'people' respond to me, I assume by 'people' you mean yourself.

I'd say it's pretty disrespectful to dismiss someone else's posts as 'whining,' whereas your own posts count as giving opinions. That strikes me as silly. Be interested to hear what other people think.
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08-13-2010 , 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Wiki
What?

What?

You did six modules of stats at university maths level and you come on here asking basic questions on confidence intervals that are studied at the equivalent of GCSE?

Un-ferkin-believable! (Or, comedy gold.)

Yes, correct.

I failed at least 3 of the six statistics modules and we didn't study confidence intervals at school in Scotland.
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08-13-2010 , 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by TvSa
i have no idea what prompted me to open this thread,

but i did so, a few weeks back i think, and posted a query as to why the thread was so long when the question was answered on the first page,
life is... get over...

at that time i was a winning player, hadn't deposited for 6/7 months-ish, had taken cash out,

ever since, and i mean literally ever since i first posted on this thread, i have had my AA's cracked by 7 2's with monotomous regularity, lost just about every race i have been in, run all my JJ's into QQ's and been sucked out on almost without fail,

all the profit has long gone,

i am putting money in,
and losing it,
night after night, after night, after night,

**** this,

the riggards are right,

+1 to the shills with Donko
+1 to riggards with TvSa
Big Sites Rigged: because they can get away with it.
Small Sites Not Rigged: because they can't afford to chase away customers.

Get over it: life is rigged in many areas. But in others, definately NOT. Make sure you spend your time and money in the non-rigged places. You can invest your money and it will grow over time, but not with Bernie Madoff.
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08-13-2010 , 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by FatedToPretend
Yes, correct.

I failed at least 3 of the six statistics modules and we didn't study confidence intervals at school in Scotland.
You probably should not be attempting a statistical analysis. Even if you work hard and figure out how to do it, you won't know what the results mean. If you want to play online poker well your time would be better spent studying that topic.
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08-13-2010 , 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by spadebidder
You probably should not be attempting a statistical analysis. Even if you work hard and figure out how to do it, you won't know what the results mean. If you want to play online poker well your time would be better spent studying that topic.

I'm not going to be doing anything complicated.

Simply things like, overpair should win all-in vs underpair around 80% of the time and checking how often it does happen over a large sample of hands.
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08-13-2010 , 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Gordias
Big Sites Rigged: because they can get away with it.
Small Sites Not Rigged: because they can't afford to chase away customers.
Evidence?

Just asking.

Last edited by Wiki; 08-13-2010 at 01:33 PM. Reason: Misquote
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08-13-2010 , 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by FatedToPretend
I'm not going to be doing anything complicated.

Simply things like, overpair should win all-in vs underpair around 80% of the time and checking how often it does happen over a large sample of hands.
Both of the popular tracking programs will do that for you without you having to do anything but use the features they already have. You don't even have to do any custom filters or scripts or anything, they have all that already. You don't have to know any math, any database, or any statistics (except to interpret the result).

Know that many many people have checked those basic stats and nobody has ever posted any highly improbable one anywhere on this forum afaik, except for times people just do it wrong and then figure it out with forum advice.
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08-13-2010 , 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by spadebidder
Both of the popular tracking programs will do that for you without you having to do anything but use the features they already have. You don't even have to do any custom filters or scripts or anything, they have all that already. You don't have to know any math, any database, or any statistics (except to interpret the result).
The only problem is that he doesn't know how to start the program.
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08-13-2010 , 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by FatedToPretend
I'm not whining about anything Wiki. I'm in the process of gathering evidence, AS YOU YOURSELF SUGGESTED, I had a question regarding analyzing the evidence, which I came and asked spadebidder. That's all.

You and Monteroy have jumped on that with attack after attack as per.
Wow...I'm not even close in proximity to the mental capacities of the above posters, but any TK1133 with a 7th grade
Spoiler:
Scottish
education, knows that there is no such thing as "evidence" in your case. Evidence provides the element of truth backed by facts. Your Opinion is that the RNG is rigged and you believe you have evidence to back up your opinion.

There is no difference between these fallacy's and my Lizard Peoples theories.
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08-13-2010 , 02:30 PM
Requirement: You must have played on the site, full time, for at least a year.

Position 1) You are all in after the flop against one opponent and you’re a 10-1 or better favorite. You’re happy as a clam to have gotten all your money in with way the best hand.

Position 2) You are all in after the flop against one opponent and you’re a 10-1 or better favorite. You’re already shaking your head and rolling your eyes before the cards even come out, and it seems like a miracle when your heavily favored hands occasionally holds up. (Note: Play didn’t start out for you like this on the site, but something shifted, and you now find yourself in this situation over and over again.)

Conclusion: If you routinely find yourself in Position 2 and you continue to play at that online poker room, you deserve to lose all your money.
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08-13-2010 , 02:32 PM
So


how much did you lose?
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08-13-2010 , 02:34 PM
Your doomswitch got activated? That sucks.
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08-13-2010 , 02:35 PM
Don't see the test, must have elluded me.
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08-13-2010 , 02:38 PM
OP is right. However, the LIZARD PEOPLE don't want you to know about the test.

OP will be eaten soon.
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08-13-2010 , 02:39 PM
Q: What do we do when EVERY site is Position 2?
A: Play live poker if lucky enough to live near a casino/poker room.

Online poker got me started in the game, but has done nothing but cost me money over the past 3-4 years. Live poker has been where I've made my money - and a lot of it - since I got fed up and started playing live this year.

I do have some suspicions regarding online poker, but that's my problem to deal with. I fully realize I am an average player and that average players are losers online... but something stills smells "fishy" even to this fish.
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08-13-2010 , 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by tk1133
Wow...I'm not even close in proximity to the mental capacities of the above posters, but any TK1133 with a 7th grade
Spoiler:
Scottish
education, knows that there is no such thing as "evidence" in your case. Evidence provides the element of truth backed by facts. Your Opinion is that the RNG is rigged and you believe you have evidence to back up your opinion.

There is no difference between these fallacy's and my Lizard Peoples theories.
big difference here
we do not have any software that can do this
therefore, he can only believe it instead of providing evidence.

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Originally Posted by spadebidder
Both of the popular tracking programs will do that for you without you having to do anything but use the features they already have. You don't even have to do any custom filters or scripts or anything, they have all that already. You don't have to know any math, any database, or any statistics (except to interpret the result).

Know that many many people have checked those basic stats and nobody has ever posted any highly improbable one anywhere on this forum afaik, except for times people just do it wrong and then figure it out with forum advice.
spadit
please enlighten us
as far as i know. PT3 and HEM can't do this
all you can do is filter for JJ-AA
then manually count the underpairs.
please tell me how many people do you know have checked those basic stats.
nobody has ever posted anything because it can't be done by your average joe.
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08-13-2010 , 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Wiki
The only problem is that he doesn't know how to start the program.
that is not a problem for him yet.
correction
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Originally Posted by Wiki
The only problem is that he doesn't know what program to use.
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08-13-2010 , 02:49 PM
It might not be the site:

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08-13-2010 , 02:49 PM
Post this here OP, quit wasting front page space with stupidity.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...dition-255990/
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08-13-2010 , 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by allyasia
as far as i know. PT3 and HEM can't do this
all you can do is filter for JJ-AA
then manually count the underpairs.
please tell me how many people do you know have checked those basic stats.
nobody has ever posted anything because it can't be done by your average joe.
You haven't looked. There are hundreds of examples on 2+2 alone.
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08-13-2010 , 02:57 PM
I have a solution for you OP.

Spoiler:
Learn to play poker or move up, so they respect your raises.
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08-13-2010 , 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by VP$IP
It might not be the site:

WP, LOL
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08-13-2010 , 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Wiki
Evidence?

Just asking.
please provide the name of the software that we can take screenshot.

Just asking.
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