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Old 04-19-2009, 03:52 PM   #2426
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Re: The great "Poker is rigged debate" - Collected threads edition

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len should be banned for posting all those unconverted hand histories and for posting them here in some pathetic attempt to show how it wasn't he wasn't the victim of those mean and greedy poker sites.
Sorry, I may be responsible for this when i suggested his time would be better spent posting hand histories to improve his game. In my defence, I did mean somewhere else but I should have known I needed to make this clearer
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Old 04-19-2009, 04:15 PM   #2427
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Re: The great "Poker is rigged debate" - Collected threads edition

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I will give a little background about how i play in micro stakes SNG's early stages, because in hh's u can see all-in situations which ussually occure when blind go up to 50/100.

(10/20, 15/30) i limp pairs 22-TT, AJ or call reasonably sized bets for set mining. I limp suited ace rags too for flush draws. I raise JJ+, AQ+, i re-raise someones raise with QQ+ and AK (with these hands im willing to go all-in in early stages if situation occurs). If i raise PF and get callers and hit flop hard, ex. i raise with AK get 2 callers and flop comes A8T, I C-BET 100% OF THE TIME! I know what disaster can happen if you check for trapping and give free card for idiots who call PF raises with 87s. If i set mine and hit, I ALWAYS BET no matter what, i don't slowplay in micro stakes never!

t3h hh's for mr.gooot to plug my leaks.

2009/04/18 [1.session]

KK < AT

Seat 1: KhanGolfer (3030 in chips)
Seat 2: NutCrackerAA (1490 in chips)
Seat 3: 19Chris87 (1440 in chips)
Seat 4: lenasrokas (1470 in chips)
Seat 6: leonidos (1840 in chips)
Seat 7: koppy3000 (2840 in chips)
Seat 8: danuk (1480 in chips)
Seat 9: the bosun (1380 in chips)
danuk: posts small blind 10
the bosun: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to lenasrokas [Kd Kh]
KhanGolfer: folds
NutCrackerAA: folds
19Chris87: calls 20
lenasrokas: raises 80 to 100
leonidos: folds
koppy3000: calls 100
danuk: calls 90
the bosun: calls 80
19Chris87 is disconnected
19Chris87 is connected
19Chris87: folds
*** FLOP *** [3s Ts Td]
danuk: bets 140
the bosun: folds
lenasrokas: raises 260 to 400
koppy3000: folds
danuk: calls 260



check/fold on the turn, imo or don't ***** that he calls your shove when you're crushed.
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A8 > Q6

Seat 1: treems (2055 in chips)
Seat 2: RagztoRiches (1375 in chips)
Seat 3: Aleks5512 (2305 in chips)
Seat 4: AAPX (1405 in chips)
Seat 5: roelromeijn (780 in chips)
Seat 6: EuraDoosh (2083 in chips)
Seat 7: BokkieBokson (835 in chips)
Seat 8: reynald80 (1227 in chips)
Seat 9: lenasrokas (1435 in chips)
BokkieBokson: posts small blind 25
reynald80: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to lenasrokas [Ad 8d]
lenasrokas: calls 50
treems: folds
RagztoRiches: folds
Aleks5512: folds
AAPX: folds
roelromeijn: folds
EuraDoosh: folds
BokkieBokson: folds
reynald80: checks



open limping is gross and gay.
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AK < A5

Seat 1: Bohdi77 (2755 in chips)
Seat 2: RagztoRiches (10923 in chips)
Seat 3: mickael20 (5750 in chips)
Seat 4: AAPX (1570 in chips)
Seat 5: treems (4585 in chips)
Seat 6: chicotio (5020 in chips)
Seat 8: Casp-air (2455 in chips)
Seat 9: lenasrokas (1762 in chips)
Bohdi77: posts the ante 25
RagztoRiches: posts the ante 25
mickael20: posts the ante 25
AAPX: posts the ante 25
treems: posts the ante 25
chicotio: posts the ante 25
Casp-air: posts the ante 25
lenasrokas: posts the ante 25
chicotio: posts small blind 200
Casp-air: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to lenasrokas [Kc Ac]
lenasrokas: raises 1337 to 1737 and is all-in
Bohdi77: folds
RagztoRiches: folds
mickael20: folds
AAPX: folds
treems: folds
chicotio: folds
Casp-air: calls 1337
*** FLOP *** [7d 2d 5d]



miracle 3-outer, huh? you never won w/AJ vs AK or something?
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QQ > T7

Seat 1: simbafffe (1465 in chips)
Seat 3: lenasrokas (1150 in chips)
Seat 4: traveller469 (3050 in chips)
Seat 5: FrostOff (2695 in chips)
Seat 6: chuchi30 (400 in chips)
Seat 8: Big Pott07 (1295 in chips)
Seat 9: Nikkaut (5220 in chips)
traveller469: posts small blind 50
FrostOff: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to lenasrokas [Qd Qc]
chuchi30: raises 300 to 400 and is all-in
Big Pott07: folds
Nikkaut: folds
simbafffe: folds
lenasrokas: raises 750 to 1150 and is all-in
traveller469: folds
FrostOff: folds
Uncalled bet (750) returned to lenasrokas
*** FLOP *** [3d Qs 8d]
*** TURN *** [3d Qs 8d] [Tc]
*** RIVER *** [3d Qs 8d Tc] [8c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
chuchi30: shows [7s Td] (two pair, Tens and Eights)
lenasrokas: shows [Qd Qc] (a full house, Queens full of Eights)



you won as a huge favorite, congrats!

AK > AQ

Seat 1: simbafffe (2425 in chips)
Seat 3: lenasrokas (1475 in chips)
Seat 4: traveller469 (3000 in chips)
Seat 5: FrostOff (2925 in chips)
Seat 6: danuk (1235 in chips)
Seat 7: tomcsika (2770 in chips)
Seat 9: Nikkaut (6145 in chips)
Nikkaut: posts small blind 100
simbafffe: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to lenasrokas [Kd Ah]
lenasrokas: raises 1275 to 1475 and is all-in
traveller469: folds
FrostOff: raises 1275 to 2750
danuk: folds
tomcsika: folds
Nikkaut: folds
simbafffe: folds
Uncalled bet (1275) returned to FrostOff
*** FLOP *** [6h 5h 4s]
*** TURN *** [6h 5h 4s] [6s]
*** RIVER *** [6h 5h 4s 6s] [Kh]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
lenasrokas: shows [Kd Ah] (two pair, Kings and Sixes)
FrostOff: shows [Ad Qc] (a pair of Sixes)
lenasrokas collected 3250 from pot



standard.

JT < K9

Seat 1: PieterDeJong (2340 in chips)
Seat 2: zip2z (3665 in chips)
Seat 3: lenasrokas (2975 in chips)
Seat 4: traveller469 (7965 in chips)
Seat 7: tomcsika (2830 in chips)
Seat 8: Casp-air (7685 in chips)
PieterDeJong: posts the ante 50
zip2z: posts the ante 50
lenasrokas: posts the ante 50
traveller469: posts the ante 50
tomcsika: posts the ante 50
Casp-air: posts the ante 50
Casp-air: posts small blind 300
PieterDeJong: posts big blind 600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to lenasrokas [Js Ts]
zip2z: folds
lenasrokas: raises 2325 to 2925 and is all-in
traveller469: folds
tomcsika: folds
Casp-air: folds
PieterDeJong: calls 1690 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (635) returned to lenasrokas
*** FLOP *** [2d 4s 3c]
*** TURN *** [2d 4s 3c] [6h]
*** RIVER *** [2d 4s 3c 6h] [7s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
PieterDeJong: shows [9d Kh] (high card King)
lenasrokas: shows [Js Ts] (high card Jack)



1) best hand won
2) was he supposed to fold his big blind there?


82 > JJ

Seat 1: PieterDeJong (4830 in chips)
Seat 2: zip2z (2965 in chips)
Seat 3: lenasrokas (585 in chips)
Seat 4: traveller469 (7865 in chips)
Seat 5: cscsob (12478 in chips)
Seat 6: carpediem991 (5809 in chips)
Seat 7: tomcsika (2730 in chips)
Seat 8: Casp-air (8585 in chips)
Seat 9: Pokerhans61 (21653 in chips)
PieterDeJong: posts the ante 50
zip2z: posts the ante 50
lenasrokas: posts the ante 50
traveller469: posts the ante 50
cscsob: posts the ante 50
carpediem991: posts the ante 50
tomcsika: posts the ante 50
Casp-air: posts the ante 50
Pokerhans61: posts the ante 50
zip2z: posts small blind 300
lenasrokas: posts big blind 535 and is all-in
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to lenasrokas [8c 2c]
traveller469: folds
cscsob: calls 600
carpediem991: folds
tomcsika: folds
Casp-air: raises 7935 to 8535 and is all-in
Pokerhans61: folds
PieterDeJong: folds
zip2z: folds
cscsob: folds
Uncalled bet (7935) returned to Casp-air
*** FLOP *** [8s 9c 8d]
*** TURN *** [8s 9c 8d] [Td]
*** RIVER *** [8s 9c 8d Td] [Ac]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Casp-air: shows [Jc Jh] (two pair, Jacks and Eights)
Casp-air collected 130 from side pot
lenasrokas: shows [8c 2c] (three of a kind, Eights)
lenasrokas collected 2355 from main pot



rigged for fish, obv.

A7 < AQ

Seat 1: PieterDeJong (4730 in chips)
Seat 2: zip2z (2565 in chips)
Seat 3: lenasrokas (2005 in chips)
Seat 4: traveller469 (6565 in chips)
Seat 5: cscsob (11778 in chips)
Seat 6: carpediem991 (5709 in chips)
Seat 7: tomcsika (2630 in chips)
Seat 8: Casp-air (8015 in chips)
Seat 9: Pokerhans61 (23503 in chips)
PieterDeJong: posts the ante 50
zip2z: posts the ante 50
lenasrokas: posts the ante 50
traveller469: posts the ante 50
cscsob: posts the ante 50
carpediem991: posts the ante 50
tomcsika: posts the ante 50
Casp-air: posts the ante 50
Pokerhans61: posts the ante 50
traveller469: posts small blind 300
cscsob: posts big blind 600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to lenasrokas [7s Ad]
carpediem991: folds
tomcsika: folds
Casp-air: folds
Pokerhans61: folds
PieterDeJong: folds
zip2z: folds
lenasrokas: raises 1355 to 1955 and is all-in
traveller469: folds
cscsob: calls 1355
*** FLOP *** [6s 2s Qc]
*** TURN *** [6s 2s Qc] [Ks]
*** RIVER *** [6s 2s Qc Ks] [Jh]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
cscsob: shows [As Qd] (a pair of Queens)
lenasrokas: shows [7s Ad] (high card Ace)
cscsob collected 4660 from pot



best hand won again - so rigged!
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88 < AT

Seat 1: drugdealear1 (1420 in chips)
Seat 2: Intimidat3 (1490 in chips)
Seat 3: VonStieglitz (1470 in chips)
Seat 4: acecarpet (1470 in chips)
Seat 5: ApocaL1PSyS (1480 in chips)
Seat 6: 06eddieboy (1620 in chips)
Seat 7: mickael20 (1550 in chips)
Seat 8: ajax1988 (1500 in chips)
Seat 9: lenasrokas (1500 in chips)
ApocaL1PSyS: posts small blind 10
06eddieboy: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to lenasrokas [8h 8c]
mickael20: folds
ajax1988: folds
lenasrokas: calls 20
drugdealear1: raises 40 to 60
Intimidat3: folds
VonStieglitz: folds
acecarpet: folds
ApocaL1PSyS: folds
06eddieboy: calls 40
lenasrokas: calls 40
*** FLOP *** [Qs 8d Jc]
06eddieboy: checks
lenasrokas: bets 145
drugdealear1: calls 145
06eddieboy: folds
*** TURN *** [Qs 8d Jc] [4h]
lenasrokas: bets 385
drugdealear1: calls 385
*** RIVER *** [Qs 8d Jc 4h] [Kd]
lenasrokas: bets 910 and is all-in
drugdealear1: calls 830 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (80) returned to lenasrokas
*** SHOW DOWN ***
lenasrokas: shows [8h 8c] (three of a kind, Eights)
drugdealear1: shows [Td As] (a straight, Ten to Ace)
drugdealear1 collected 2910 from pot



he played it badly, but was ahead when the money went in. nice work paying him off at level 1.
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JJ > AQ

Seat 1: migue1984 (1500 in chips)
Seat 2: adua city (1500 in chips)
Seat 3: PieterDeJong (1500 in chips)
Seat 4: FEGG69 (1500 in chips)
Seat 5: nocxe (1500 in chips)
Seat 6: peejay767 (1500 in chips)
Seat 7: halfeti (1500 in chips)
Seat 8: kanzi19 (1500 in chips)
Seat 9: lenasrokas (1500 in chips)
adua city: posts small blind 10
PieterDeJong: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to lenasrokas [Jd Jc]
FEGG69: calls 20
nocxe: calls 20
peejay767: folds
halfeti: calls 20
kanzi19: folds
lenasrokas: raises 100 to 120
migue1984: calls 120
adua city: folds
PieterDeJong: folds
FEGG69: calls 100
nocxe: folds
halfeti: calls 100
*** FLOP *** [Ad Js 8h]
FEGG69: checks
halfeti: checks
lenasrokas: bets 425
migue1984: raises 955 to 1380 and is all-in
FEGG69: folds
halfeti: folds
lenasrokas: calls 955 and is all-in
*** TURN *** [Ad Js 8h] [3h]
*** RIVER *** [Ad Js 8h 3h] [4h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
lenasrokas: shows [Jd Jc] (three of a kind, Jacks)
migue1984: shows [Qs Ah] (a pair of Aces)
lenasrokas collected 3290 from pot



so your set of jacks beat a pair, huh? amazing!

AT < JJ

Seat 1: roderick123 (2450 in chips)
Seat 3: toledoslim91 (2680 in chips)
Seat 4: JEVN (1386 in chips)
Seat 5: nocxe (2125 in chips)
Seat 7: Lenco1234 (5044 in chips)
Seat 8: kanzi19 (4085 in chips)
Seat 9: lenasrokas (2120 in chips)
roderick123: posts the ante 25
toledoslim91: posts the ante 25
JEVN: posts the ante 25
nocxe: posts the ante 25
Lenco1234: posts the ante 25
kanzi19: posts the ante 25
lenasrokas: posts the ante 25
toledoslim91: posts small blind 200
JEVN: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to lenasrokas [Td Ad]
nocxe: raises 400 to 800
Lenco1234: folds
kanzi19: folds
lenasrokas: raises 1295 to 2095 and is all-in
roderick123: folds
toledoslim91: folds
JEVN: folds
nocxe: calls 1295
*** FLOP *** [Ts 6d 5s]
*** TURN *** [Ts 6d 5s] [6c]
*** RIVER *** [Ts 6d 5s 6c] [3h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
nocxe: shows [Js Jc] (two pair, Jacks and Sixes)
lenasrokas: shows [Td Ad] (two pair, Tens and Sixes)
nocxe collected 4965 from pot



behind every step of the way. never thought the min-raise was something better than ATs?
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K3 < AA

Seat 1: lenasrokas (1105 in chips)
Seat 2: tonttoM (2790 in chips)
Seat 4: panfet (1615 in chips)
Seat 5: rasduif (4185 in chips)
Seat 6: Intimidat3 (3685 in chips)
Seat 8: QuixoticX (4840 in chips)
Seat 9: Totalatarian (2100 in chips)
lenasrokas: posts small blind 75
tonttoM: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to lenasrokas [Kd 3d]
panfet: folds
rasduif: folds
Intimidat3: folds
QuixoticX: calls 150
panfet said, "glad i folded 44"
Totalatarian: folds
lenasrokas: calls 75
tonttoM: checks
*** FLOP *** [Qh Kh 2c]
lenasrokas: bets 955 and is all-in
tonttoM: folds
QuixoticX: calls 955
*** TURN *** [Qh Kh 2c] [4c]
*** RIVER *** [Qh Kh 2c 4c] [2d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
lenasrokas: shows [Kd 3d] (two pair, Kings and Deuces)
QuixoticX: shows [Ac As] (two pair, Aces and Deuces)
QuixoticX collected 2360 from pot




when you have like 7.5bb's it's push/fold. period.
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AJ > 45

Seat 1: marado77 (3700 in chips)
Seat 2: The Wall1974 (3410 in chips)
Seat 4: Pitty1977 (3330 in chips)
Seat 5: trevolho (4780 in chips)
Seat 6: mellodbennet (3970 in chips)
Seat 7: mariollin (1815 in chips)
Seat 8: lenasrokas (1550 in chips)
Seat 9: fourcardhand (4665 in chips)
mariollin: posts small blind 75
lenasrokas: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to lenasrokas [Ad Jd]
fourcardhand: folds
marado77: folds
The Wall1974: folds
Pitty1977: folds
trevolho: calls 150
mellodbennet: calls 150
mariollin: calls 75
lenasrokas: raises 1400 to 1550 and is all-in
trevolho: folds
mellodbennet: calls 1400



christ, more? you really should be banned.

JJ < KK

Seat 1: marado77 (3400 in chips)
Seat 2: The Wall1974 (3335 in chips)
Seat 4: Pitty1977 (3180 in chips)
Seat 5: trevolho (4930 in chips)
Seat 6: mellodbennet (4610 in chips)
Seat 8: lenasrokas (3325 in chips)
Seat 9: fourcardhand (4440 in chips)
Pitty1977: posts small blind 100
trevolho: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to lenasrokas [Jc Js]
mellodbennet: folds
lenasrokas: raises 3125 to 3325 and is all-in
fourcardhand: raises 1115 to 4440 and is all-in
marado77: folds
The Wall1974: folds
Pitty1977: folds
trevolho: folds
Uncalled bet (1115) returned to fourcardhand
*** FLOP *** [Ah Qs Qh]
*** TURN *** [Ah Qs Qh] [6h]
*** RIVER *** [Ah Qs Qh 6h] [Kd]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
lenasrokas: shows [Jc Js] (two pair, Queens and Jacks)
fourcardhand: shows [Kc Ks] (a full house, Kings full of Queens)
fourcardhand collected 6950 from pot



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AA > AJ

Seat 1: narkus21 (870 in chips)
Seat 2: lenasrokas (1645 in chips)
Seat 3: glastonbury (1955 in chips)
Seat 4: hfpfjf (4780 in chips)
Seat 5: el_bejar (3210 in chips)
Seat 6: Bas Raise (965 in chips)
Seat 7: chilango8 (1170 in chips)
Seat 8: JeffLJohnson (1330 in chips)
Seat 9: beanerg69 (2355 in chips)
glastonbury: posts small blind 50
hfpfjf: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to lenasrokas [Ad As]
el_bejar: folds
Bas Raise: raises 200 to 300
chilango8: folds
JeffLJohnson: folds
beanerg69: folds
narkus21: folds
lenasrokas: raises 500 to 800
glastonbury: folds
hfpfjf: folds
Bas Raise: raises 165 to 965 and is all-in
lenasrokas: calls 165
*** FLOP *** [2s 6c Jc]
*** TURN *** [2s 6c Jc] [4c]
*** RIVER *** [2s 6c Jc 4c] [Qd]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Bas Raise: shows [Ac Js] (a pair of Jacks)
lenasrokas: shows [Ad As] (a pair of Aces)
lenasrokas collected 2080 from pot



A7 < QT

Seat 1: Cuantioso (3615 in chips)
Seat 2: lenasrokas (2335 in chips)
Seat 3: glastonbury (3187 in chips)
Seat 4: urubugula (4655 in chips)
Seat 5: el_bejar (6153 in chips)
Seat 6: the_bridler (3085 in chips)
Seat 7: Nileic (7730 in chips)
Cuantioso: posts the ante 25
lenasrokas: posts the ante 25
glastonbury: posts the ante 25
urubugula: posts the ante 25
el_bejar: posts the ante 25
the_bridler: posts the ante 25
Nileic: posts the ante 25
el_bejar: posts small blind 200
the_bridler: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to lenasrokas [Ah 7s]
Nileic: folds
Cuantioso: folds
lenasrokas: raises 1910 to 2310 and is all-in
glastonbury: folds
urubugula: folds
el_bejar: folds
the_bridler: calls 1910
*** FLOP *** [2c Qh 2s]
*** TURN *** [2c Qh 2s] [6c]
*** RIVER *** [2c Qh 2s 6c] [9c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
the_bridler: shows [Td Qs] (two pair, Queens and Deuces)
lenasrokas: shows [Ah 7s] (a pair of Deuces)
the_bridler collected 4995 from pot



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QQ < AT

Seat 1: de klos (1600 in chips)
Seat 2: nawor1998 (1420 in chips)
Seat 3: Sopa1981 (800 in chips)
Seat 4: lenasrokas (1480 in chips)
Seat 5: Mops12 (1500 in chips)
Seat 6: tassat609 (1500 in chips)
Seat 7: patou24 (1500 in chips)
Seat 8: Alkanius (1400 in chips)
Seat 9: 25-Life (2300 in chips)
lenasrokas: posts small blind 10
Mops12: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to lenasrokas [Qs Qd]
tassat609: folds
patou24: folds
Alkanius: folds
25-Life: folds
de klos: calls 20
nawor1998: folds
Sopa1981: calls 20
lenasrokas: raises 80 to 100
Mops12: folds
de klos: calls 80
Sopa1981: raises 700 to 800 and is all-in
lenasrokas: raises 680 to 1480 and is all-in
de klos: folds
Uncalled bet (680) returned to lenasrokas
*** FLOP *** [4h 2c As]
*** TURN *** [4h 2c As] [4s]
*** RIVER *** [4h 2c As 4s] [Kd]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
lenasrokas: shows [Qs Qd] (two pair, Queens and Fours)
Sopa1981: shows [Ad Td] (two pair, Aces and Fours)
Sopa1981 collected 1720 from pot



A7 > KJ

Seat 2: nawor1998 (3820 in chips)
Seat 3: Sopa1981 (2210 in chips)
Seat 4: lenasrokas (635 in chips)
Seat 5: Mops12 (2680 in chips)
Seat 6: tassat609 (805 in chips)
Seat 7: patou24 (2435 in chips)
Seat 9: 25-Life (915 in chips)
patou24: posts small blind 25
25-Life: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to lenasrokas [Ac 7c]
nawor1998: folds
Sopa1981: folds
lenasrokas: calls 50
Mops12: raises 100 to 150
tassat609: folds
patou24: calls 125
25-Life: folds
lenasrokas: calls 100
*** FLOP *** [6c 4c Ks]
patou24: bets 200
lenasrokas: raises 285 to 485 and is all-in
Mops12: folds
patou24: calls 285
*** TURN *** [6c 4c Ks] [9c]
*** RIVER *** [6c 4c Ks 9c] [5s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
patou24: shows [Kc Jh] (a pair of Kings)
lenasrokas: shows [Ac 7c] (a flush, Ace high)
lenasrokas collected 1470 from pot



KT < 99

Seat 1: nawor1998 (8575 in chips)
Seat 2: lenasrokas (1220 in chips)
Seat 3: CDMoura (4755 in chips)
Seat 4: AAPX (1605 in chips)
Seat 5: orejones11 (3170 in chips)
Seat 6: provenzian0 (3995 in chips)
Seat 7: melvyn_rio (4140 in chips)
Seat 8: mickael20 (3670 in chips)
Seat 9: painter102 (965 in chips)
nawor1998: posts the ante 25
lenasrokas: posts the ante 25
CDMoura: posts the ante 25
AAPX: posts the ante 25
orejones11: posts the ante 25
provenzian0: posts the ante 25
melvyn_rio: posts the ante 25
mickael20: posts the ante 25
painter102: posts the ante 25
lenasrokas: posts small blind 100
CDMoura: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to lenasrokas [Kd Tc]
AAPX: folds
orejones11 has timed out while disconnected
orejones11: folds
orejones11 is sitting out
provenzian0: folds
melvyn_rio: folds
mickael20: folds
painter102: folds
nawor1998: folds
lenasrokas: raises 995 to 1195 and is all-in
CDMoura: calls 995
*** FLOP *** [7s Ac 5c]
*** TURN *** [7s Ac 5c] [8h]
*** RIVER *** [7s Ac 5c 8h] [Jh]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
lenasrokas: shows [Kd Tc] (high card Ace)
CDMoura: shows [9c 9s] (a pair of Nines)
CDMoura collected 2615 from pot



and so on and so forth...
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Session's summary:
SNG's played - 24
Stakes - 3.25$/6.25$/45
FT's made - 2
Money finished - 0
Profit - [-110$]
standard. try the STT Forum or BBV - just gtfo here.
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that's what you get when you give a rigtard the benefit of the doubt. you've probably learned your lesson. him, I wouldn't bet on it.
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Actually, paleantologists now believe that the brachiosaurus didnt keep its head elevated like that, but low to the ground kind of dragging it around.
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Actually, paleantologists now believe that the brachiosaurus didnt keep its head elevated like that, but low to the ground kind of dragging it around.
and jesus hated dinosaurs he was deathly afraid of them, and would scream like a little girl every time he saw even a little one.
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anybody ever heard of the theory that when u play more aggressive
and just plain extremely aggressive in FT and PS u get better hands

all of my friends and I have been playing for a long time on both sites
and while u can't proove it.it sure seems like it sometimes

any thoughts?

i agree for one that the algo for random hands on these sites comes up
with things that in live games u only rarely see
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mark how long did that take you?
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anybody ever heard of the theory that when u play more aggressive
and just plain extremely aggressive in FT and PS u get better hands

all of my friends and I have been playing for a long time on both sites
and while u can't proove it.it sure seems like it sometimes

any thoughts?

i agree for one that the algo for random hands on these sites comes up
with things that in live games u only rarely see
I thought that before as well, but then i noticed. Than when you play more agressivly, u actually do get more playable hands becouse you play more hands. You starting hand requirements for open raising are way smaller then if you would be playing TAG game. And a hand like 89s becomes a raisable hand in late position. And when in between those hands you get cards like AK, AQ KK etc, its not becouse you get them more often - Its becouse you play more hands, and your not so bored. :P And you will also get your good hands payed off more oftenly. And also after raising hands like J10s QJs, Suited conectors and almost any 2 from late position, hands like A10 KQs looks like nuts.
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anybody ever heard of the theory that when u play more aggressive
and just plain extremely aggressive in FT and PS u get better hands

all of my friends and I have been playing for a long time on both sites
and while u can't proove it.it sure seems like it sometimes

any thoughts?

i agree for one that the algo for random hands on these sites comes up
with things that in live games u only rarely see
Yes, that theory has been said before.

So has the theory that aggressive play leads to worse hands (to punish aggressive players who tend to be better then passive fish)

Odds are that both theories are equally valid.
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Do you now how RNGs algorithms are programmed i suggest looking this up.
Thats why some people play the software rather than poker because after x amount of time on any given site you start to see patterns not mapping but patterns(this has been studied at numerous universities) so calling that river card is not as David Blaine as it seems.(i will leave out the maths and model at this time).
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Do you now how RNGs algorithms are programmed i suggest looking this up.
Thats why some people play the software rather than poker because after x amount of time on any given site you start to see patterns not mapping but patterns(this has been studied at numerous universities) so calling that river card is not as David Blaine as it seems.(i will leave out the maths and model at this time).
You're referring to pseudo-random number generators, which haven't been used by poker sites in years. The "true RNG" systems they now use are the most random thing that humans are capable of generating. There are no studies that have shown predictable patterns in modern RNG's; that's either made up or just plain imagination.

The tired old "patterns" theory again. You would enjoy the research of Stephen Meares.

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You're referring to pseudo-random number generators, which haven't been used by poker sites in years. The modern RNG's are the most random thing that humans are capable of generating. There are no studies that have shown predictable patterns in modern RNG's; that's either made up or just plain BS.
Look it up........ but you already know...as i said numerous studies have been done on algorithms and poker goin into the luck vs skill debate which is lending weight to goverment legislation.

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Those are actually very fair points.

They do not, however, address the issue that no one has come up with any evidence whatsoever that the deal is predicatable.

You could come up with all sorts of ways that people could use 'special powers' to filch money but unless you have some evidence that this is taking place suggesting there is any serious chance it might be is little more than paranoia.

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Let me add tell me how meny possable combinations fron a 52 card deck?
Your 12 tabling ok 6 table min your playing for 4 hrs max.
You are not going to see the same algorithm RIGHT?
What about when you run into bad beats that combined add to a lottery win.
Varience?

Riddle me that spacebidder.
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and jesus hated dinosaurs he was deathly afraid of them, and would scream like a little girl every time he saw even a little one.
but do you have any evidence?
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gj markus, nice pictures.

i just looked at 1/4 millions tourney lobby and it says that there where 27600 entrants when tourney started and now after little over 4h playing there are left less than 400 entrants. do you really believe that it's possible to drop 27200 players in 4h without "spicing" up board or adding setup hands? Yes, online poker = more hands, no doubt. But 27200 in 4 hours, it's seems kinda... are you kidding me?
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gj markus, nice pictures.

i just looked at 1/4 millions tourney lobby and it says that there where 27600 entrants when tourney started and now after little over 4h playing there are left less than 400 entrants. do you really believe that it's possible to drop 27200 players in 4h without "spicing" up board or adding setup hands? Yes, online poker = more hands, no doubt. But 27200 in 4 hours, it's seems kinda... are you kidding me?
Amen brother....only some are chosen to see the light....
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gj markus, nice pictures.

i just looked at 1/4 millions tourney lobby and it says that there where 27600 entrants when tourney started and now after little over 4h playing there are left less than 400 entrants. do you really believe that it's possible to drop 27200 players in 4h without "spicing" up board or adding setup hands? Yes, online poker = more hands, no doubt. But 27200 in 4 hours, it's seems kinda... are you kidding me?
u mean the sun second chance? The more likely explanation is that you cant read.
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gj markus, nice pictures.

i just looked at 1/4 millions tourney lobby and it says that there where 27600 entrants when tourney started and now after little over 4h playing there are left less than 400 entrants. do you really believe that it's possible to drop 27200 players in 4h without "spicing" up board or adding setup hands? Yes, online poker = more hands, no doubt. But 27200 in 4 hours, it's seems kinda... are you kidding me?
Yeah, it has nothing to do with the fact that the blinds go up fairly fast meaning that most people are in the red zone before the second break. Even now the chip average is at the bottom of the orange zone.
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gj markus, nice pictures.

i just looked at 1/4 millions tourney lobby and it says that there where 27600 entrants when tourney started and now after little over 4h playing there are left less than 400 entrants. do you really believe that it's possible to drop 27200 players in 4h without "spicing" up board or adding setup hands? Yes, online poker = more hands, no doubt. But 27200 in 4 hours, it's seems kinda... are you kidding me?
fast blind structure ? average stack 16bb ? So .. I dont agree with that.
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gj markus, nice pictures.

i just looked at 1/4 millions tourney lobby and it says that there where 27600 entrants when tourney started and now after little over 4h playing there are left less than 400 entrants. do you really believe that it's possible to drop 27200 players in 4h without "spicing" up board or adding setup hands? Yes, online poker = more hands, no doubt. But 27200 in 4 hours, it's seems kinda... are you kidding me?

If you ever played in that you would realize that apparently J9 vs 22 vs 106 suited all in preflop for 75 BBs is a setup hand.

That was not even the craziest hand I saw at my table either.


No kidding, but a semi turbo + a crazy payout structure + a ton of people in it via satellites who play in their mind for free = a lot of eliminations fast.

You are free to have your "something must be up" beliefs all you like, but there are probably better ones then this that can at least appear more rational, and odds are you "feel" that about all sorts of thing you fail to fully understand.

Use better rigged theory selection.

All the best.

Your choice.
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i just looked at 1/4 millions tourney lobby and it says that there where 27600 entrants when tourney started and now after little over 4h playing there are left less than 400 entrants. do you really believe that it's possible to drop 27200 players in 4h without "spicing" up board or adding setup hands? Yes, online poker = more hands, no doubt. But 27200 in 4 hours, it's seems kinda... are you kidding me?
Obviously you haven't looked into the structure of the tournament, or you would see how FOS you are.

Rigtards: Before coming here to make a half-a**ed attempt at your theory, do some research, or maybe add two numbers together on your calculator, so it's not blatantly obvious that you have no proof to back up your claims.
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