he didn't even mention your name. now that's a conditioned response.

keep this crap out of this thread.

I assume no evidence of any sort is coming, so I'll just mark you down as a troll then.

If all you have to say is to repeat the above, move along. I won't bother replying, and no one else wants to hear it.

If you want to discuss Cake's RNG in a rational manner with some kind of actual evidence, go ahead and start a thread.

If you just want to go ahead and toss around speculation about RNGs, we already have a thread for that.

If you are unable to figure it out then perhaps you should go troll AP/UB threads and bash people who continue to play there


Karma

Yes.. as long as I keep her under the heat lamp and well fed

Testing the rigging code, obv. Looks pretty good so far. If it weren't for that one perceptive guy, they'd have gotten away with it, too.

Thinly veiled brag itt.

What is up with the RNG thing?

They have a discussion in the other thread re hardware vs whatever. I don't think Cake uses Hardware, but I don't think Merge does either. The best one's are FTP and Stars. Now, this is the simplified version. There are some downfalls to random noise generated using quantum mechanics (or as I like to call it, pseudo quantum mechanics) - but I think the Hardware (pseudo Hardware) RNG's do get around that.

Are the Network RNG's the best? No. Does this mean its rigged for perma doomswitch? No. You are likely to see more patterns in pseudo Hardware than Software RNGs (DUCY?)

what is Bobo supposed to figure out? Cake has good RNG because you win? Cake has bad RNG because of security issues? Unless we have a single seed basement program for 52 card decks floating on Cake, I highly doubt the Security issues affect the RNG for Cake.

The uproar is over letting thousands of innocent folks play on a compromised (i.e. plain text packet sending) security system AFTER it had been exposed. The Uproar is over the possibility of Superusers (which I speculated when this first came out, due to a backdoor analogy), extrapolated with this going on for at LEAST 18 months prior to the cat out of the bag.

The UPROAR is not about the RNG. All references to Cake's RNG should be started in another thread - or taken to the riggies. All references to whether Poker Edge was allowed (though most reputable sites can turn it off via client detection) can be listed as a complaint, but don't relate to the current Uproar (DUCY)?

respect due

The probability is 100% that you have absolutely no idea of what is normal statistically.

Here's one hint. If you never fold, you will finish with 2-pairs or better 39% of the time in hold'em. And that's just holding random cards. In real games players are somewhat selective in what they take to the flop.

ydward, what you are experiencing is just the micro stakes phenomena. As a test for this type of riggedness, I downloaded a poker game for pc where you just play holdem vs bots. I played every single hand just to see how card distribution worked in an environment where players were actually trying to play normal vs me, i.e. the bots werent maniac freerolling fish. I sucked out at least every other hand, making random 2 pairs by the river, etc etc. Someone already mentioned the odds of improving to 2 pair by the river with any two cards is 39%.

This is where the fundamental axiom of "play opposite the table" comes into play. You quite simply have to play proportionally tighter when a table is playing this loose. It might seem profitable for these guys to play like this because look at all those bad beats. The difference between them and a midstakes winning reg is he's not willing to take the risk of sucking out. Remember, playing any two cards (ATC) is still a gamble. He doesnt want to put in $400 on the flop with bottom pair hoping to hit 2 pair for the possibility of winning $1000. He'd rather put in $80 on the flop with top pair, another $200 on the turn, and check the river and win $280 in profit. This is consistent, playing like those players above is not.

Besides, whenever I get tilted at some moron fish sucking out repeatedly and pwning the table with 600BB's I look him up on PTR, and he's always down like $177, running -33bb/100, with less than 1000 hands total logged. They ARE losing playing like this. Sometimes I feel pokersites skew their results so the fish dont lose as quickly, but I've never seen one last for long.

you gotta love a tryer

Can you just answer one simple question?

I'll make it multiple choice for your convenience.

Question: Why do you keep playing on a site you believe is horrendously rigged against you?

[ ] I am a moron
[ ] In reality, I know perfectly well the site is not rigged.

Methinks you should be more careful...


Why I read this one carefully enough to catch that I don't know...

Nice catch. YDWard confirmed liar.

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Edit/MH: See http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...ostcount=24378

You have studied nothing you liar. Please feel free to make me look stupid by providing some data for each of the sites you have studied, showing the phenomenon you describe.

You dont have a clue how often the things you describe should happen in order to confirm they happen too often. Stop lying.

You've been playing for 3 years and are playing freerolls? Despite the fact that you can predict what cards people are holding and what cards are going to hit the board? Stop lying.

I take this back. MH pointed out that he did actually fold on the flop. Just not pre-flop.

Thanks, KingOfFelt.

I can understand how the many posts of his hand histories were very irritating, (I have deleted a dozen or so), and may have clouded your vision for a moment, but this particular one was to demonstrate that when two people have KK against one person with Ax, the flop always includes an Ace.

He was smart enough to fold on the flop, once he realised that that particular rig of the deck was in play.

Ooops, my bad...

Serves me right for even having read it!

Can't fool this guy, he's a freeroll wizard. I look forward to seeing him use this knowledge to be the next big balla.

Future ydward:

He's a freeroll wizard
There has to be a trick
That freeroll wizard's
Got such a cyber di-i-i-i-ck

How do you think he does it?
(I don't know)
What makes him so good?










Ok, I'll stop.

He ain't got no distractions,
Pot odds are just so LOL,
The math seems to elude him,
So he just presses call.
But he can see the patterns,
In the way the cards will fall,

He sure plays a mean FREE ROLL!

And Ydward doesn't know what stat maths is.
He doesn't know what pot odds are or variance is.
How can he keep up the grind?
With the patterns he sees in his mind?

Let's go like this:

You are the owner of an online poker room. And you have a pool of 10.000 bad players making you millions in rake every month. Some players win some loose and some get even. Basically they're not good, and they're just circulating their money, while you get rich on rake...

And then one day come a 100-200, good-great players. Now, since they're good (bankroll management, experience, positive ROI all that) it's just a meter of time until they bust ALL the bad players. Might take them weeks,months or years, doesn't meter...they are long term winners, and they will eventually take all the money from the fish...

Now I ask you: which would you rather have making you rake, 200 hundred good players, or 10.000 bad fish???

Forget about "I'm playing for years now, and haven't seen anything suspicious", or "they're making so much money as bystanders "...put YOURSELF in THEIR shoes!

It doesn't meter if your winning or loosing money, it's not about you so don't take it personally...it's not even about poker...it's about business. And let me remind you, business will KILL for a lot less than what poker rooms are making A DAY, you really thing they're gonna be good innocent angels if their profit is at stake?
Don't be a naive child...

Now, I'm not saying you should quit, not at all. If you're a winning player, keep playing...just don't, DON'T be so naive to defend a business if you're not in it.

Go ahead, organize poker games... invite 30 players every night, take rake...That's a good living. Now invite a player that's better than all of them.... You've just committed professional suicide.
In a year or two you'll end up with one good player, no more rake for you...

But hey, at least you didn't cheat people right?

P.S. WRONG

You think your post is original. It is not. Read the thread and find out why you are wrong.

Particularly posts 3000 to 21000.