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07-27-2010 , 10:23 PM
For people who just know it's rigged, why are you still playing? On the other hand, if you know the scheme, why are you not getting rich exploiting it? Either way you are essentially claiming that you are boneheaded stupid when you say that you know you are playing on a rigged site. And when you continue to do it and continue to moan about it, it's some kind of mental disorder.

So who's next to volunteer that they are boneheaded stupid in this thread?
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07-27-2010 , 10:53 PM
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Originally Posted by spadebidder
For people who just know it's rigged, why are you still playing? On the other hand, if you know the scheme, why are you not getting rich exploiting it? Either way you are essentially claiming that you are boneheaded stupid when you say that you know you are playing on a rigged site. And when you continue to do it and continue to moan about it, it's some kind of mental disorder.

So who's next to volunteer that they are boneheaded stupid in this thread?
Be careful who you call boneheaded sir....I can assure you that I'm very far from stupid and do very well in real life.

Go back and reread my post....I play RECREATIONALLY. I do also like to frequent casinos and this is what I compare Tilt to. I did not say it was rigged for me/against me. All Im saying is that I continue to play there knowing that something is not right and thats OK because I play for entertainment only.

About 5 years ago, I was laughed at for posting in a poker forum that people were naive to automatically dismiss the notion that online sites "could" be rigged and/or have shills playing for them while knowing what everyone's hole cards were in an attempt to siphon $$ off of the site. I mean after all these sites were making millions and wouldnt risk being caught etc etc....

Guess who was right about that.
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07-27-2010 , 11:25 PM
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if you know the scheme, why are you not getting rich exploiting it
How? FT will never let me win, I changed back to SNGs and yet again another bubble on a one outer, I flop a set after raising huge and getting called with crap and he hits the gut shot on the river. It happens every time. I am done, I have no chance no matter how good I play. The only people getting rich at FT is Howard Lederer and Phil Gordon who operate this scam offshore. I just hope the US does something soon so I can cash out.
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07-27-2010 , 11:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Arouet
I get where he's coming from, though we have slightly different approaches. As has been mentioned, the benefits of an improved FAQ would not be for the hardheaded riggies, but for those who are concerned about the issue and want to know how to approach it.
It's an excellent idea Arouet. And ftr, yesterday was a very VERY long and HOT day! I spent the entire time helping my cousin and her neighbors move. All day it was up and down stairs.. with big screen TV's and huge sleeper sofas! I was in a grumpy "Monteroy" type of mood.. j/k j/k. It was pretty out of line for me to jump on him itt. He's done some good work here.. that's why I get a little thrown off when I see him attack you (or others) for some of their contributions to this thread.. when he himself contributes itt. This thread may be in the toilet, but no reason to stir up sht (with your own side).
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07-28-2010 , 12:16 AM
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Originally Posted by banonlinepoker
How? FT will never let me win, I changed back to SNGs and yet again another bubble on a one outer, I flop a set after raising huge and getting called with crap and he hits the gut shot on the river. It happens every time. I am done, I have no chance no matter how good I play. The only people getting rich at FT is Howard Lederer and Phil Gordon who operate this scam offshore. I just hope the US does something soon so I can cash out.
Wow. Let the s h i t continue. Almost 1600 pages long. Will probably never stop obviously.
At least amusing
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07-28-2010 , 01:16 AM
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Originally Posted by banonlinepoker
How? FT will never let me win
Why should we take any notice of someone who is so utterly brainless that they continue to play on a site that will 'never let me win'?
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07-28-2010 , 01:19 AM
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Originally Posted by mikeinyonkers
I think Ive posted in this thread somewhere already...

In regard to Full Tilt, this coming from someone who has a shark next to their name in sharkscope ( hidden brag) and has seen thousands upon thousands of hands...take if for whats its worth...

1) There is something wrong with the RNG ...no doubt in my mind. Playing on this site is almost akin to playing the slots.so...

... however it is my opinion that the RNG is extremely faulty. There isnt a doubt in my mind.
Dear God!
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07-28-2010 , 01:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Wiki
Why should we take any notice of someone who is so utterly brainless that they continue to play on a site that will 'never let me win'?
Do you [bop] chase girls that "never let you in"?

Oops.. I relapsed. My bads.
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07-28-2010 , 03:53 AM
i sometimes think the sites might give extra equity to tards to keep them in the game and therefore player pool big and rake flowing. I suspect this would be done only at the micros as people who play higher are to smart for this b.s.

has anyone ever done any kind of study on 40+ vpip players and their all in equity? I guess this would be a good place to start.
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07-28-2010 , 03:55 AM
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Originally Posted by banonlinepoker
How? FT will never let me win, I changed back to SNGs and yet again another bubble on a one outer, I flop a set after raising huge and getting called with crap and he hits the gut shot on the river. It happens every time. I am done, I have no chance no matter how good I play. The only people getting rich at FT is Howard Lederer and Phil Gordon who operate this scam offshore. I just hope the US does something soon so I can cash out.
Do I really need to post 'nfuegoslifetimegraph.jpg' again? Or do I only win just because FTP knows I'm a "shill"?

Oh, and the major poker sites are not a scam, poker is already regulated, probably better than the US Gov't is capable of. And you're wrong, repeatedly.
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07-28-2010 , 03:59 AM
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Originally Posted by NFuego20
Or do I only win just because FTP knows I'm a "shill"?
LDO.

Free boomswitching is not to be sneezed at.

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Oh, and the major poker sites are not a scam, poker is already regulated, probably better than the US Gov't is capable of. And you're wrong, repeatedly.
BOP will continue to whine mendaciously about lack of regulation. If the US government ever did regulate he'd play for a week and then be back here whining about his bad beats and asking why the regulators aren't taking their responsibilities seriously.
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07-28-2010 , 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Goathair
Well, when you type Vegas into google, it isn't countless threads of people saying it is rigged. so maybe if there was US regulation at least some of the people would maybe feel at ease. not likely, but maybe.

I try not to think about it. you see weird things happen, and take crazy beats, but i just try and keep my head down, and load up another set of games.
After questionable extended runs of bad cards at PS and FT, I decided to try Doyle's Room because of his reputation as a stand-up guy, and because his name is “at the top” of the poker room. So if anything negative comes out about the site, it's his reputation on the line. ( And I remember how pissed off he was when the right-wing bible-thumping Senators tacked the internet gaming restrictions bill onto the homeland security bill several years back.) After playing on DR for some time now, I'm convinced I made a wise choice. Unlike PS and FT, I haven't seen any evidence of manipulation of the software.

In my experience, the difference between DR and PS/FT is the texture and duration of your bad runs of cards. As we all know, tournament poker can be frustrating because an integral part of game strategy involves shoving all your chips in the middle before you see the full board. And as every poker player has experienced, all manner of weird card sequences can unfold as the cards are dealt. That's exactly my point about Doyle's Room, it's what I see when I hit longish runs of bad beats: “weird” combinations of cards making backdoor straights and flushes, etc, mixed in with the usual matching of my opponents hole cards.

PS and FT started out the same way for me. But after the proverbial “switch was flipped,” the texture and duration of my bad runs of cards changed. Over time, it became clear to me that my user name had become targeted on each site, and that after all the chips went in, the software program was calling for my opponents hole cards to hit with a much higher frequency than normal. After watching 10-1, 14-1 and even 22-1 shots “rain down” on the board for long periods of time, like they were 2,3 and 4-1 shots, it struck me that almost nobody was making the normal weird backdoor straights and flushes against me. (How could they, if they kept matching their hole cards? And when I would be at tables with presumably other targeted players, watching so many players' hole cards get matched over and over for long, long stretches during the duration of my play at those tables was a true twilight zone experience.)

You can call this variance if you want to. And I agree that it does fall within the realm of mathematical possibility. If you flip a coin 1000 time, it's possible for it to come up heads almost every time. But if I'm wagering on tails and it keeps coming up heads over and over again, well before, say, the 20th straight heads, I'm either walking away or insisting on a new coin. You go ahead and call it variance, and continue handing your money over to the coin flipper who is using his own coin.

If HR 2267 passes the House today, I just hope the moronic dullard Republicans don't use their 41 votes in the Senate to block the bill out of spite, like they did yesterday with the bill that would require full disclosure of which corporations are contributing to their campaigns and who is running TV ads on their behalf. (What are they trying to hide? The people want phucking transparency tin their government! They're such a$$holes.) So there is still hope for the folks who are rooting for the bill to fail. As for me, I'm crossing my fingers with Barry Greenstein that it passes.
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07-28-2010 , 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Gordias
After questionable extended runs of bad cards at PS and FT, I decided to try Doyle's Room because of his reputation as a stand-up guy, and because his name is “at the top” of the poker room. So if anything negative comes out about the site, it's his reputation on the line. ( And I remember how pissed off he was when the right-wing bible-thumping Senators tacked the internet gaming restrictions bill onto the homeland security bill several years back.) After playing on DR for some time now, I'm convinced I made a wise choice. Unlike PS and FT, I haven't seen any evidence of manipulation of the software.

In my experience, the difference between DR and PS/FT is the texture and duration of your bad runs of cards. As we all know, tournament poker can be frustrating because an integral part of game strategy involves shoving all your chips in the middle before you see the full board. And as every poker player has experienced, all manner of weird card sequences can unfold as the cards are dealt. That's exactly my point about Doyle's Room, it's what I see when I hit longish runs of bad beats: “weird” combinations of cards making backdoor straights and flushes, etc, mixed in with the usual matching of my opponents hole cards.

PS and FT started out the same way for me. But after the proverbial “switch was flipped,” the texture and duration of my bad runs of cards changed. Over time, it became clear to me that my user name had become targeted on each site, and that after all the chips went in, the software program was calling for my opponents hole cards to hit with a much higher frequency than normal. After watching 10-1, 14-1 and even 22-1 shots “rain down” on the board for long periods of time, like they were 2,3 and 4-1 shots, it struck me that almost nobody was making the normal weird backdoor straights and flushes against me. (How could they, if they kept matching their hole cards? And when I would be at tables with presumably other targeted players, watching so many players' hole cards get matched over and over for long, long stretches during the duration of my play at those tables was a true twilight zone experience.)

You can call this variance if you want to. And I agree that it does fall within the realm of mathematical possibility. If you flip a coin 1000 time, it's possible for it to come up heads almost every time. But if I'm wagering on tails and it keeps coming up heads over and over again, well before, say, the 20th straight heads, I'm either walking away or insisting on a new coin. You go ahead and call it variance, and continue handing your money over to the coin flipper who is using his own coin.
I'm going to leave this for someone else to answer because this sort of dim-wittery could easily cause a response that would fully justify the use of the banhammer.
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07-28-2010 , 01:35 PM
and like clockwork, the standard "attacking" type response follows his post.
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07-28-2010 , 01:42 PM
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and like clockwork, the standard "attacking" type response follows his post.
It's surprising, isn't it, how every time someone posts unadulterated nonsense someone else will attack it? Not.
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07-28-2010 , 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by mikeinyonkers
I think Ive posted in this thread somewhere already...

In regard to Full Tilt, this coming from someone who has a shark next to their name in sharkscope ( hidden brag) and has seen thousands upon thousands of hands...take if for whats its worth...

...

These are just my observations. Im not a losing player or a donk by any means. Ive put a ton of time into this site and will continue to do so...however it is my opinion that the RNG is extremely faulty. There isnt a doubt in my mind.
Many of the things you mentioned could be easilly proven with your hand histories. The fact that you instead choose to talk about observations and opinions which we should take "for what its worth" shows that you are bone headed.

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Originally Posted by banonlinepoker
Without a doubt. Nothing random about the cards. It is a program designed to get a response from players to act a certain way and it works. Action hands, payback hands etc. Feedbagging hands and hands that punish people that complain. I am playing a cash session and it's total slaugher, turn broadway lose to the one out boat etc. It's all planned, predetermined and scripted. Done because nobody is watching and nobody can prosecute. Until they are held accountable it will never change.
Pathetic, delusional liar.
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07-28-2010 , 03:43 PM
stars is 100% rigd, 3 4 bets today, 3 ******ed flat calls, 3 miracle flops against hands that i had crushed, 3 stacks gone
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07-28-2010 , 03:49 PM
someone check the 40+ vpip players ev in ai's, my db is small and I dont know how to put them all in one graph

it be sweet if tableratings did a poker is not rigged article with some nice graphs and such (although mayb if I was stars I would pay them not to, or to manipulate the data, but still, do it). It would definitly be cooler than a chart showing where isildur got his money and then proceeded to donk it off.
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07-28-2010 , 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by str8 burnt
stars is 100% rigd, 3 4 bets today, 3 ******ed flat calls, 3 miracle flops against hands that i had crushed, 3 stacks gone
OK, so stars is 100% rigged.

You've taken you money from there (if you had any left). After all, you'd hardly be so moronic as to play on a site that was 100% rigged.

Where are you moving to?
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07-28-2010 , 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Gordias
After questionable extended runs of bad cards at PS and FT, I decided to try Doyle's Room because of his reputation as a stand-up guy, and because his name is “at the top” of the poker room. So if anything negative comes out about the site, it's his reputation on the line... After playing on DR for some time now, I'm convinced I made a wise choice. Unlike PS and FT, I haven't seen any evidence of manipulation of the software.

Remaining rambling garbage snipped.
Unfortunately, you seem to have picked a poor week to move / post about your move. You do know that Doyle's Room is just another Cake skin, right? So uh, yeah. Basically zero crypto on the site. Doyle's reputation has nothing to do with the site because Doyle has nothing to do with the site. Period.

gg nh
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07-28-2010 , 08:52 PM
You mean the RNG at Doyle's Room isn't at Doyle's house.. being guarded by the .357 revolver he keeps in his desk?!

Umfathomable!
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07-28-2010 , 10:34 PM
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Originally Posted by LVGambler
You mean the RNG at Doyle's Room isn't at Doyle's house.. being guarded by the .357 revolver he keeps in his desk?!

Umfathomable!
My guess is someone SOLD Doyle on the idea of using his name to attrack more player which = more rake which = MO Money for Doyle.

At least its what I think...
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07-29-2010 , 01:13 AM
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Originally Posted by tk1133
Posted on 27 February 2009

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You can start your search for public information there...I copied and pasted this article, so the typo's are not from me...
From the "good ol'e days"
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07-29-2010 , 01:24 AM
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My guess is someone SOLD Doyle on the idea of using his name to attrack more player which = more rake which = MO Money for Doyle.

At least its what I think...
What? Mo playa's at duh ttrack?

Evree won bee wearin cow boy hat at duh ttrack?

Whay bee maa tree fitty sevon?

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07-29-2010 , 01:26 AM
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Originally Posted by LVGambler
You mean the RNG at Doyle's Room isn't at Doyle's house.. being guarded by the .357 revolver he keeps in his desk?!

Umfathomable!
RNG? Bah! Doyle personally shuffles and deals every hand and gets someone to enter the results into the computer for it to appear on your screen.
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