What I don't get is why there is this ONE thread?

Some people believe that poker is rigged, meaning that the decks are stacked in favour of certain players, or simply against them (for example after withdrawing).

Some people believe that the decks are stacked in order to create as much rake as possible (for example by dealing set over set or having three swings within one hand).

And some people are just concerned that there is still some cheating going on (as in those events where the sites eventually had to admit that cheating went on for years).

These three aspects should have seperate threads. Where is the *online poker decks are STACKED* thread? Or the *poker is still PRONE TO CHEATING* thread?

It IS interesting ... shows that 62.5% of 2p2 members have no sense of humour.

Yet everyone still ignores the logical and factual reason sites rig outcomes. To keep the total player base as big as it is. Perfect example is I just busted out of a sng by a total fish. I raise it up huge with QQ and of course he calls out of position with A8o. Then after a possible st8 draw flops I go all in to get him out in case he wants to risk his tourney life on a draw. Of course he calls with a gutshot, which of course he hits. It's this extremely poor play that is always protected because he is the worst possible player and makes up for probably half the users that play the site and dif their bad play was subject to a true random deal they would be broke and the sites income would be severely damaged. Which the passage of the US bill will do anyway once everyone bails on them.

So you would like three pointless threads containing pretty much the same trash?

So your hand history will of course show your all in equity is well below what it should be? Along with the hand histories of all the other rigtards in this thread? Feel free to post proof that this is happening or instead you could take your blog to BBV.

Yes, bad players are protected so when they get all in with the worst of it they don't lose every time. They are protected by the laws of mathematics but unfortunately your wild imagination doesn't follow those rules.


I thought the "shill" self ban would result in torrent of stupidity from the rigtards but apparently they realised the absence of a response renders their nonsense totally worthless.

New threads are merged into this thread because "some people" got sick of all the ridiculous threads people were making with unsubstantiated crackpot theories and cluttering up the forums.

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Bart,

There isn't much to discuss on the above issue, because what you describe is fundamentally impossible. Having a discussion about increasing rake by the dealing of action hands would be like having a discussion about why the earth is flat: you can't have a discussion about why the earth is flat, because the earth is not flat. It is round.

Please see the links below for further explanation on why action hands do not increase rake:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...ostcount=14061
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...ostcount=14924

Denial huh buddy, did you catch the hearing the other day? Offshore online poker is coming to an end pal. Hope Howard has plans.

No it isn't, your telling me a program can't be written that takes players stats into account? Give it a rest. It is quite possible to write software that takes all variables into account and produces a result based on keeping the poorer player winning. It's ok, pretty soon online poker sites won't be able to keep their servers from being inspected. Going to be nice to play a site that is properly regulated.

Sigh. Shill-o-meter goes into overdrive.

Yep, it's pretty terrible how the rigtards got caught out manipulating the poll, isn't it?

That's not what the other poster was claiming. He was claiming that action hands increase rake. That's just not true. That's why it's not discussed much (by anyone except nutters who don't understand poker) because it is impossible.

"Action hands" reduce rake. The earth is round. They're two fundamental truths of the way the universe works. If you want to dispute either item, you don't understand the issues involved. The fact that you dispute either item shows you are entirely unfit to engage in discussions on the issue.

Oh please, it depends on how action hands are designed. If a player is prone to certain behavior and that behavior is rewarded of course it will increase rake because he is going to win with bad play more often than he should and play more. Whether it's cash rake or tourney buy in. That is the fact you keep dodging, action hands do increase rake how can they reduce it? Any thing that interferes with the normal course of play to benefit bad play will long term increase profit to the site.

But it's not bad play to get coolered set over set. You just don't make any sense.

Sure, make up all sorts of nutty conspiracy theories if you want. I know you are clearly unbalanced in your attitude here, but at least don't try and tell us the earth is flat. Not even other rigtards believe that.

banonlinepoker is the perfect example of why this thread is so useless.

"Shills" provide a detailed explanation of why Theory X doesn't make sense, then riggies "disprove" them by saying simplistic things like "Oh, they could change (whatever) so that it (keeps bad players in/favors big stacks/favors small stacks/favors purple peope/etc.), especially since they're based is some third world country (because the UK is clearly in the third world) and not in the bastion of regulatory integrity, the UNITED STAAAAAAAATES!" Lather rinse repeat for 24,000 posts.

I checked in on this thread a few times during the "no shill", eager to see the flourishing discussion that wasn't being stifled by the minions of the lizard people and...it wasn't there. The thread fell to the 6th and 7th pages a bunch of times, being bumped by a random theory or two, getting no replies, then falling back into oblivion.

I'll be back on my vacation from this thread, most likely permanently. Have fun, banonlinepoker, keep up your Chicken Little routine, eventually you might just be right and the sky might fall.

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I don't argue with people who believe that the earth is flat, so I am not going to continue arguing with people who believe that action hands increase rake.

Just go make up another lie. This one has been disproved.

Most of the riggies are miserable people tbw. They don't want proof.. they want to be comforted and reassured.

Since I have nothing of value to contribute to this thread.. and even if I did, it would fall on deaf ears.. I think I'm going to vacate [permanently] from this thread, too.

There are some conspiracies that are far more interesting

Careful there, I described two crackpot threads and one reasonable thread. Cheating took place in the past; the rooms are still in business for some reason (who keeps playing at a site where cheating occurred?!); so obviously cheating will occur again somewhere in the future (or right now). If someone happens upon evidence, where will it end up? Exactly - in this totally pointless 'rigged' thread. Great.

Josem,
please show me where I said that I think they do.
LTR.

Hi Bart,

I apologise for suggesting you personally hold the view that you described in your post:

Well with all due respect Bart, I don't think cheating threads get merged into this thread. When somebody has legitimate reason to believe there's cheating going on, most everybody is supportive assuming they bring some evidence to the table. There's a big difference between that though and simply being paranoid that somebody can see your hole cards and having nothing to back it up.

This thread specifically is in response to all those people who believe the sites are rigging the deal in some way. Anything else doesn't belong here. Sure, some people might post off topic in here, but threads about cheaters or bots don't end up in here.

Sorry, it is my fault. I think this thread should not exist.

Show me a player who says that he never even for the fraction of a second believed that online poker is rigged, and I show you a liar.

So why not make a sticky that explains the psychology behind this, and how it would be detrimental to the sites to really manipulate the cards, and in what way the cheating that did occur was different from what riggies believe to witness?

I think this thread here is like selling tickets to see the town's ******. This is just mean.

Bart, a million people have politely tried to explain all those things. It's not going to change the way people think. Some people are just plain unreasonable and nothing you can ever do will make them see things for what they are. Believe me, many of us have tried to help people who legitimately came to twoplustwo searching for answers. Just ask Arouet how much time he's wasted working with some of these guys only to get disrespected for his efforts. You can have the best of intentions, but when people run badly at poker and make up their mind that instead of just being a bad player or having bad luck, somebody is intentionally doing it to them, nothing will convince them otherwise.

And no I've never believed that online poker was rigged even for a second. That doesn't mean I believe that bots don't exist, that cheaters don't exist, or anything along those lines. But I've never once had any reason to doubt the legitimacy of the deal for a variety of reasons.

I stand by what I said above, you liar!

But on a more serious note - you did not answer my question - why not make that sticky? "Because it won't change anything" is not an acceptable answer; making that sticky is less work than posting again and again and again in this thread, and until you make it, you have no proof that it will do no good.

How can you make an "official" sticky that addresses everything somebody could possibly be concerned about? That's part of what makes this thread go round and round. The moment you address one person's concerns, somebody else is worried about something completely different. I just don't see how you could create one comprehensive thing that would satisfy people. If anything the riggies would read it and accuse the 2+2 mods of being in the poker sites' pockets. I mean, if you want to formulate something I'm all for it, but I don't think a sticky would have much use.

Perma-vacation over NFuego?

Nothing wrong with creating a sticky to address the most comment allegations. But who'se going to write it?